[Discussion] Is Katakuri Admiral level?

[Punk Hazard]

wow great rebuttal. look up the definition of a calamity. two out of 4 including the captain is a great indication along with their titles.

I'm pretty sure you don't even know what the point of any of my replies to Macho was

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Jack ain’t Kaidos first mate but of course people are going to say he is because he has a high bounty ignoring the fact that Kaido and his crew mates are known for being suicidal maniacs who destroy shit on a whim. Jack is the same dumbass that tried to fight Fuji, tsuru, and Sengoku at the same time.

Its amazing how Oda throws stuff like this in our face, and people still don’t get it.

A whole lot of speculation going on around your part. Especially when we've never seen a bounty of 1 billion from anybody that is not a first mate regardless of how much of a maniac you think they are (suicidal is just Kaidou).

Before the introduction of all the other yonkou, bobbin tore down a whole country just because they didn't have candy. Do you not believe that it's sadistic enough such as Jack who tortured the minks for them to control the wano country by finding Momo w/co. ?
At least Jack gave them a chance unlike Bobbin and bobbin isn't even a commander.

So to assume that

 

[OG sama]

A whole lot of speculation going on around your part. Especially when we've never seen a bounty of 1 billion from anybody that is not a first mate regardless of how much of a maniac you think they are (suicidal is just Kaidou).

Before the introduction of all the other yonkou, bobbin tore down a whole country just because they didn't have candy. Do you not believe that it's sadistic enough such as Jack who tortured the minks for them to control the wano country by finding Momo w/co. ?
At least Jack gave them a chance unlike Bobbin and bobbin isn't even a commander.

So to assume that

Its not speculation, its called context and using common sense to see things in between the lines. They're name literally says it all, they're the beast pirates. Its clear even this early on what Oda is trying to let us, the readers, know about them.

Kaido isn't the only suicidal maniac in the crew clearly, what person in their right mind tries to fight Sengoku, Fujitora, and Tsuru all on their own? There's no way in hell Jack thought he was just going to get out of that unscathed, what do you think was going through Jacks head when he did that? Nothing, that's what, because Jack and most likely the other crewmembers don't think, they just act, they're animals. You think any of BMs crewmembers would do something like that?

Yeah I get that but we have no idea how Bobbins destroyed that island. Knowing his abilities he could have put the people there to sleep and then destroyed it, leaving no clues for the WG to know it was any BM pirate.The beast pirates imo, are being built up to be a crew just as wild as their captain, it would also fit their theme sense they are a bunch of zoans.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Its not speculation, its called context and using common sense to see things in between the lines. They're name literally says it all, they're the beast pirates. Its clear even this early on what Oda is trying to let us, the readers, know about them.

None of it is common sense just look at what bobbin did, it was way worse than Jack even though it happened off panel. Jack just tortured minks to get information, Bobbin wiped out a whole country. That's way worse so what exactly are you reading in between the lines when all notorious pirates are known to be sadistic? The rare cases are Rogers, Whitebeard, Shanks, and Luffy's crew.

Kaido isn't the only suicidal maniac in the crew clearly, what person in their right mind tries to fight Sengoku, Fujitora, and Tsuru all on their own? There's no way in hell Jack thought he was just going to get out of that unscathed, what do you think was going through Jacks head when he did that? Nothing, that's what, because Jack and most likely the other crewmembers don't think, they just act, they're animals. You think any of BMs crewmembers would do something like that?

That doesn't make him suicidal, that just makes him an arrogant idiot. He thought he can damage them all while making escaping with Doflaimngo for SMILE. Unlike Jack, Kaidou admitted into committing suicide and it was his hobby. Kaidou's nature doesn't include his crew itself.

Yeah I get that but we have no idea how Bobbins destroyed that island. Knowing his abilities he could have put the people there to sleep and then destroyed it, leaving no clues for the WG to know it was any BM pirate.The beast pirates imo, are being built up to be a crew just as wild as their captain, it would also fit their theme sense they are a bunch of zoans.

But Jack left the minks alive while Bobbin destroyed them. We may not get details of it but at least Jack let's his prisoners live. And also Jack was following orders too, he didn't do it because he felt like it.

 

[Dibattista27]

Right now it seem an admiral can't go toe to toe with a yonko that they'd need help. So a tier lower there first mate should be able to go toe to toe with an admiral

 

[Skull Knight]

Kaido isn't the only suicidal maniac in the crew clearly, what person in their right mind tries to fight Sengoku, Fujitora, and Tsuru all on their own? There's no way in hell Jack thought he was just going to get out of that unscathed, what do you think was going through Jacks head when he did that? Nothing, that's what, because Jack and most likely the other crewmembers don't think, they just act, they're animals. You think any of BMs crewmembers would do something like that?

Is this the reason why you think Jack isn't Kaido's right hand???
We already saw Zoro doing the same in Dressrosa when he charged towards Fujitora and Doffy.
Both tried to free their close ally. It doesn't make them suicidal.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Jack being Kaido first mate doesn't make sense for plot reasons how would Wano even have any battle build up if we've already seen the strongest calamity be taken out?

It makes 0 sense at all that's like starting this arc and seeing Katakuri being defeated it just doesn't make sense ??????

 

[Skull Knight]

Jack being Kaido first mate doesn't make sense for plot reasons how would Wano even have any battle build up if we've already seen the strongest calamity be taken out?

Wano already have enough build up fights like:
Supernovas vs Kaido
Marco vs Weevil
Shogun vs Zoro
Jack vs Dukes
Other calamities & crew vs Rest of the Pirate-Mink-Samurai alliance

It makes 0 sense at all that's like starting this arc and seeing Katakuri being defeated it just doesn't make sense

Is there any particular order how Yonko commanders are shown in OP?
We saw Ace before Vista and other WB commanders.
He also got defeated before other commanders were defeated.