[Discussion] Is Katakuri Admiral level?

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We don't need to be spoon fed information like this. That note in Oda's office make the Calamities' ranking obvious, and even if you choose to ignore it, Katakuri's bounty makes it obvious that Jack(who is much more violent than Katakuri) isn't the FM of the Beast Pirates.
The bounty of someone in an entirely different crew tells you who the FM of another crew is? I think this is the comment that says how ****ing gun-ho this section is on power levels.

How about you let the other commanders be revealed first, eh?
 

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The bounty of someone in an entirely different crew tells you who the FM of another crew is? I think this is the comment that says how ****ing gun-ho this section is on power levels.

How about you let the other commanders be revealed first, eh?
Explain why Jack has a lower bounty then. From what we've seen, Katakuri isn't as violent as Jack, so how could Jack have a lower bounty? The only logical explanation is that Jack isn't YC1 level.
 

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Explain why Jack has a lower bounty then. From what we've seen, Katakuri isn't as violent as Jack, so how could Jack have a lower bounty? The only logical explanation is that Jack isn't YC1 level.

LMAO "violent"

FFS it has little to do with violence and more to do with "Threat". Tell me why was Ohara burned down or Robin has such a bounty! It's intelligence, anyone with with Katakuri brain(He is basically the Big Mom Pirates brains) and half his strength will easily clear the 500 000 000 beries mark. Threat to WG is more than just brute violence
 

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Not sure what’s being said, but introducing the Commanders in order of weakest to strongest does seem to be a theme.
Marco was the second WB commander revealed, and portrayed as the strongest.

Explain why Jack has a lower bounty then. From what we've seen, Katakuri isn't as violent as Jack, so how could Jack have a lower bounty? The only logical explanation is that Jack isn't YC1 level.
Jack having a lower bounty than Katakuri tells you one thing and one thing only: Katakuri is more dangerous. It does not, in any way, tell you what Jack's position in Kaido's crew is. That notion is asinine as shit. Also, how do you know Katakuri isn't as dangerous as Jack? We know nothing of how Katakuri got his bounty or what his ventures in piracy have been like. These are all shots in the dark, which is why this obsession with power levels beyond high tier, mid tier, and low tier never go accurately.
 

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Marco was the second WB commander revealed, and portrayed as the strongest.



Jack having a lower bounty than Katakuri tells you one thing and one thing only: Katakuri is more dangerous. It does not, in any way, tell you what Jack's position in Kaido's crew is. That notion is asinine as shit. Also, how do you know Katakuri isn't as dangerous as Jack? We know nothing of how Katakuri got his bounty or what his ventures in piracy have been like. These are all shots in the dark, which is why this obsession with power levels beyond high tier, mid tier, and low tier never go accurately.
I know that Katakuri is more dangerous, and I never said that Jack was more dangerous than him. I'm asking what makes Katakuri more dangerous than Jack. Based on everything that we've seen from Katakuri, he's not nearly as sadistic and brutal as Jack since nothing indicates that he goes around destroying towns, cities, or other civilizations as much as Jack does, so what about Katakuri makes the WG deem him as more dangerous? The only logical conclusion is that Katakuri being stronger than Jack is what makes him more dangerous. Besides, that note in Oda's office clearly implies that the strength ranking is Kaido>King>Queen>Jack.

You're making the same mistake that you made in the Katakuri VS thread.
 

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LMAO "violent"

FFS it has little to do with violence and more to do with "Threat". Tell me why was Ohara burned down or Robin has such a bounty! It's intelligence, anyone with with Katakuri brain(He is basically the Big Mom Pirates brains) and half his strength will easily clear the 500 000 000 beries mark. Threat to WG is more than just brute violence
Shakky said that Pre-TS Kidd had a higher bounty than Pre-TS Luffy because he was more violent. Sure Katakuri is smart, but nothing in the manga indicates that his intelligence is so great that it has any notable influence on his threat level to the WG.
 

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I know that Katakuri is more dangerous, and I never said that Jack was more dangerous than him. I'm asking what makes Katakuri more dangerous than Jack. Based on everything that we've seen from Katakuri, he's not nearly as sadistic and brutal as Jack since nothing indicates that he goes around destroying towns, cities, or other civilizations as much as Jack does, so what about Katakuri makes the WG deem him as more dangerous? The only logical conclusion is that Katakuri being stronger than Jack is what makes him more dangerous. Besides, that note in Oda's office clearly implies that the strength ranking is Kaido>King>Queen>Jack.

You're making the same mistake that you made in the Katakuri VS thread.
No, I'm not. The point I'm making is that Jack being Kaido's FM isn't disproved by Big Mom's FM having a higher bounty. That just would mean that BM's first mate is seen as more dangerous than Kaido's. We need to see Kaido's crew and judge Kaido's crew by KAIDO'S CREW. Not Big Mom's.

First mate also isn't determined by the second strongest. Hell, how do you know King doesn't refer to the Wano Shogun? You don't.
 

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What is admiral level anyway? I'm sure an admiral won't low diff a commander. These levels are stupid they are all pretty close together but an admiral is stronger.
 

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No, I'm not. The point I'm making is that Jack being Kaido's FM isn't disproved by Big Mom's FM having a higher bounty. That just would mean that BM's first mate is seen as more dangerous than Kaido's. We need to see Kaido's crew and judge Kaido's crew by KAIDO'S CREW. Not Big Mom's.

First mate also isn't determined by the second strongest. Hell, how do you know King doesn't refer to the Wano Shogun? You don't.
The Beast Pirates are led by the strongest pirate alive, they're a crew of sadists and murderers who enjoy destroying civilizations, and they've received much more buildup than the BM Pirates. The FM of the Beast Pirates will have a higher bounty than the FM of the Big Mom Pirates. This is just common sense.

It can't be the Shogun because he was stated to be an ally, not a subordinate.
 
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The Beast Pirates are led by the strongest pirate alive
That doesn't mean all of them share his power or some shit. Kaido's hype is Kaido's hype.

they're a crew of sadists and murderers who enjoy destroying civilizations
Only two of them have displayed such traits.

and they've received much more buildup than the BM Pirates.
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I wouldn't know, I don't read Two Piece

The FM of the Beast Pirates will have a higher bounty than the FM of the Big Mom Pirates. This is just common sense.
Not if Katakuri's combination of strength and danger exceeds his by having much higher strength than he has danger.

It can't be the Shogun because he was stated to be an ally, not a subordinate.
And Oda told you the "King" on his notebook was a subordinate, huh?
 

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That doesn't mean all of them share his power or some shit. Kaido's hype is Kaido's hype.


Only two of them have displayed such traits.


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I wouldn't know, I don't read Two Piece


Not if Katakuri's combination of strength and danger exceeds his by having much higher strength than he has danger.


And Oda told you the "King" on his notebook was a subordinate, huh?
Lol you do know they are called calamities right? And you're sitting here acting like they aren't portrayed more violent. And kaido wants a war for fun. You as usual come out here with a rigid mentality, there are some educated guesses you can make in this manga that is likely going to come out to be true. Jacks bounty is skewed a bit due to his violent tendencies unlike katakuri who has not been portrayed in that light.
 

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Explain why Jack has a lower bounty then. From what we've seen, Katakuri isn't as violent as Jack, so how could Jack have a lower bounty? The only logical explanation is that Jack isn't YC1 level.
The possible reason is Katakuri's hype that he can partially see future with his Observation Haki which Jack is missing.

Another reason can be the racial discrimination against Fishmen. WG still sees them inferior so maybe that could be another reason for Jack having a lower bounty than Katakuri even though both of them are shown as FM of Yonko crew.

And BM's crew is equally cruel like Kaido's crew. Didn't Pekoms destroyed an island because they failed to pay tribute?
 

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Lol you do know they are called calamities right? And you're sitting here acting like they aren't portrayed more violent. And kaido wants a war for fun.
That's two of them. I'll wait to see the rest before I start attributing character traits to characters I don't even know exist.

You as usual come out here with a rigid mentality, there are some educated guesses you can make in this manga that is likely going to come out to be true.
Okay?

Jacks bounty is skewed a bit due to his violent tendencies unlike katakuri who has not been portrayed in that light.
O...kay?
 

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Jack ain’t Kaidos first mate but of course people are going to say he is because he has a high bounty ignoring the fact that Kaido and his crew mates are known for being suicidal maniacs who destroy shit on a whim. Jack is the same dumbass that tried to fight Fuji, tsuru, and Sengoku at the same time.

Its amazing how Oda throws stuff like this in our face, and people still don’t get it.
 

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That's two of them. I'll wait to see the rest before I start attributing character traits to characters I don't even know exist.


Okay?



O...kay?
wow great rebuttal. look up the definition of a calamity. two out of 4 including the captain is a great indication along with their titles.

Jack ain’t Kaidos first mate but of course people are going to say he is because he has a high bounty ignoring the fact that Kaido and his crew mates are known for being suicidal maniacs who destroy shit on a whim. Jack is the same dumbass that tried to fight Fuji, tsuru, and Sengoku at the same time.

Its amazing how Oda throws stuff like this in our face, and people still don’t get it.
a good portion of the base is either stupid or extremely biased. there was a 8 page discussion on whether kata has hype to put him over sanji and ichiji lol.
 
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