[Discussion] Is Katakuri Admiral level?

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Luff fought quite closely with Doflamingo and defeated him with help. Doflamingo is not too many tiers below Admiral level, and it seems Katakuri ie absolutely destroying Luffy at low dif.

I honestly think, the way he's been shown, he is Admiral level.
 

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He is 1st Mate Level.

1- Yonko/Admirals and maybe Dragon and Mihawk.

2- First Mates (Katakuri,Marco,Kaido Number 1 and Beckman)

3- 2nd and 3rd Yonko Commander/Shichibukai like Doflamingo/Supernova/Other notable fighters like Sabo etc.
 

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I would hold off on the predictions until we see him handle Gear 4th.

Doflamingo was back flipping with his arms crossed and laughing when Luffy was hitting him with Gear second.

So up till now he hasn't shown anything that Doffy didn't do either. Doflamingo however couldn't keep up with 4th so we know exactly where his limit is. Somewhere between 2/3 and 4.
 

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Pretty sure Doflamingo is admiral level since he broke out of Aokiji's ice with ease and was going up against Fujitora, so Katakuri obviously is.
Doflamingo is strong enough to give an admiral a good run for their money, but not to win. Aokiji and Fujitora would have defeated him.
 

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Dogtooth is on par with Marco, Jack, and Ben Beckman. They shown the capability of fighting on par with an admiral and in some cases come out on top.
Dofy like the rest of some Warlords are between the 2-3rd commander level which is shichibukai level.
Since luffy beat Dofy senseless in their fight, Luffy should not be too far off. As of now Luffy did not use Gear4 he just been using 2 gear for speed and Gear 3 for power. Since Luffy's gear 2 lack efficient enough power and gear 3 speed, Dogtooth who is well rounded in both can exploit this flaw.

Luffy needs experience and complete control over his devil fruit otherwise he'll be dumping unnecessary stamina.
 

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Katakuri is on par with Marco, Jack, and Ben Beckman. They shown the capability of fighting on par with an admiral and in some cases come out on top.
Dofy like the rest of some Warlords are between the 2-3rd commander level which is shichibukai level.
Since luffy beat Dofy senseless in their fight, Luffy should not be too far off. As of now Luffy did not use Gear4 he just been using 2 gear for speed and Gear 3 for power. Since Luffy's gear 2 lack efficient enough power and gear 3 speed, Katakuri who is well rounded in both can exploit this flaw.

Luffy needs experience and complete control over his devil fruit otherwise he'll be dumping unnecessary stamina.
Jack is a level below the Yonko FMs.

Also, his name is Katakuri. Calling him Dogtooth is like referring to Nami as Wave.
 

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Jack is a level below the Yonko FMs.
As far as we know jack is the FM of the yonkou 100 beast pirate crew, all other speculations remain irrelevant.
Also, his name is Katakuri. Calling him Dogtooth is like referring to Nami as Wave.
Dofy/Joker's name is Doflamingo, and yet I don't see you complaining about that either. So get over it, I prefer to call him Dogtooth because it's a better alias to me personally.
 

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As far as we know jack is the FM of the yonkou 100 beast pirate crew, all other speculations remain irrelevant.

Dofy/Joker's name is Doflamingo, and yet I don't see you complaining about that either. So get over it, I prefer to call him Dogtooth because it's a better alias to me personally.
Jack is definitely not the FM of Kaido's crew. In a picture of Oda's office, you could see a piece of paper with the names "Kaido, King, Queen, and Jack" written from top to bottom. The implication should be obvious. Besides do you really think that Jack, who is the most violent and sadistic person in OP, would have a bounty lower than Katakuri if he really was Kaido's FM?

The difference between Doflamingo and Dogtooth and Wave is that Dogtooth and Wave are literal English translations of Katakuri's and Nami's names. The translators aren't supposed to take the literal English translations of the characters names.
 

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As far as we know jack is the FM of the yonkou 100 beast pirate crew, all other speculations remain irrelevant.

Dofy/Joker's name is Doflamingo, and yet I don't see you complaining about that either. So get over it, I prefer to call him Dogtooth because it's a better alias to me personally.
If anyone's Kaido's first mate it's either the shogun or King
 

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I don't think he is, but depending on how he handles G4, he may or may not turn out to be extremely close to them. So far he handled g2/3 more impressively than Cracker and much more than Doflamingo who struggled quite a bit against it.

It also shows how much Fujitora was trolling in dressrosa....
 

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He is 1st Mate Level.

1- Yonko/Admirals and maybe Dragon and Mihawk.

2- First Mates (Katakuri,Marco,Kaido Number 1 and Beckman)

3- 2nd and 3rd Yonko Commander/Shichibukai like Doflamingo/Supernova/Other notable fighters like Sabo etc.
For most part this although I don't know any supernova that can take out a commander by themselves a side from urouge
 

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I would hold off on the predictions until we see him handle Gear 4th.

Doflamingo was back flipping with his arms crossed and laughing when Luffy was hitting him with Gear second.

So up till now he hasn't shown anything that Doffy didn't do either. Doflamingo however couldn't keep up with 4th so we know exactly where his limit is. Somewhere between 2/3 and 4.
Not even... he couldn't react to 4th at first sure but his durability surpasses what regular gear 4th shots does as seen when he had to beat on him for whole 20 plus min using named attacks as well as assaults. Then not to mention after taking on luffy entire gear 4th onslaught (very damaged but still also very much alive) he gets up and during second onslaught doffy awakening def evened the playing field some until KKG which put doffy out like a light.. granted again this is doffy after Gamma knife (and what ever the hell injection shot does, it sounds status affecting however not calling it till I see it), I honestly would like to see how much more onslaught of gear 4th that doffy can take in addition to what he did injured.

Against cracker I mean sure crackers attack is strong as **** but two vital stats are rather low, and both should be at a decent lvl which were intelligence and durability. He looks unintelligent simply on the sole fact he let nami make his life difficult 4 11 hours straight without taking one glance at the weather channel (referring to nami). Honestly he got knocked tf out off of kong gun worse then doffy did via king Kong gun. I mean has it not been like a day or 2 since cracker got blown off to the other side of the island and hes still not up yet :| ?


Makes me wonder where does crackers durability actually place, honestly I wish luffy would be at last min switched to gear 2nd and did a a red hawk, I mean I get it he didn't want to take any chances, with an opponent with that much physical power/haki. I would want to see how cracker survives that, it's decent power punch move that he should survive that doffy barely got superficial damage. Clearly kong gun was overkill if the man still isn't up after a day and then some (unless this arc has been 1 day since crackers defeat)
 
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I don't think he is, but depending on how he handles G4, he may or may not turn out to be extremely close to them. So far he handled g2/3 more impressively than Cracker and much more than Doflamingo who struggled quite a bit against it.

It also shows how much Fujitora was trolling in dressrosa....
When did doffy struggle "quite a bit" against gears 2/3.. :| if that was the case then why would luffy go g4?

Idk why people shit on doffy so much... now apparently g 2/3 are his level (not saying you said this bogard that's for another person. However please show me the struggling because I honestly don't remember him struggling..)
When doffy after his fight still has some things going for him in terms of feats for the fights

Only of luffy s opponents to take onslaught of gear 4th
Not once but twice
Was able to tank more than one named attack
Still is the only person to literally force luffy to use his strongest attack to date
Had arguably more difficult partner to deal with as opposed to nami, (I mean there's law who is literally right under luffy in terms of power, 100's of citizens who died protecting luffy, hell you can even add viola as if I remember correctly she was the last one to defend luffy or was it her sister idk but you get my point)
Got up way faster after being hit by kong gun (for cracker respectfully)
I mean aside from katakuri (and he hasn't been hit by a direct attack yet), dofflamingo himself has handled gear 4th better and in a much more aggressive manner then cracker who until proven otherwise is still struggling from one hit as opposed to an onslaught (was crackers strategy affective against g4? Without a doubt prob the best we wi 'll see tbh but when faced directly in front of it he went down pretty easily, kind of like in d&d when a rogue crit fails in front of a barbarian)


With that being said I believe I want to place katakuri > all of luffy s current main villains of the new world (aside from moma herself) however I feel like it is to early to tell and we are having titles cloud our judgement. I mean look at sabo, does anybody remember when the sabo fans first got created. Jesus they sword up and down that sabo could take out literally every person he was put up against. Thank God they got humbled by fujitora, his bounty reveal and just plain common sense that the second commander is not the first commander. If people still think that, aside from himself, sabo is the strongest thing he could muster up against the full force of the WG then wtf up lol.

I mean there's the fleet admiral that dragon would face off
Then there's the commander in chief (still kong, which btw is higher position than fleet admiral however idk if it's stronger etc)
Then there's the three admirals
Let's not forget the cipher pols (0)
And last but certainly not least, the group that everyone shits on but in reality is literally set up like a yonko pirate crew. Yes I'm talking about the warlords
At helm is mihawk yonko lvl basically confirmed (to me with warlords being his crew without it hes admiral to me because he would not be able to just keep multi territories on his own)
His first and 2nd mate doffy and kuma with brain (if has haki could switch between him and doffy idk who's stronger tbh)
3rd mate boa Hancock

Then you have talented ace lvl or lower fighters
Croc
Jinbe
Law
Moria

Then buggy the gag

(Didn't add wevile because he is featless and I don't know how I feel about him tbh) also this was prime warlords obv I'm referring to when croc got replaced by law which only made that team stronger and harder to deal with...
 
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Luff fought quite closely with Doflamingo and defeated him with help. Doflamingo is not too many tiers below Admiral level, and it seems Katakuri ie absolutely destroying Luffy at low dif.

I honestly think, the way he's been shown, he is Admiral level.
too many? WTF lol Mingo is at least 80% an admiral! Any threat in One Piece verse after Dressrosa is more about reinforcements numbers than main enemy's raw strength barring the Yonkou captains(possibly). I will go on and tell you the final villain itself won't easily rekt mingo!
 
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