sannin vs pain

[BenjerminGaye]

hmmm eh no thats for cst

hw can't use CT till he is in specific range of Deva Path

-_- logically it's for both.

 

[BLAZE]

-_- logically it's for both.

could be but was not stated
the other reason of not using CT would be there was no extreme threat for pains and it made him bleed when he used it so it affect him physically

 

[Hakke]

It’s all fun and games until Chibaku Tensei comes out.

This.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

could be but was not stated
the other reason of not using CT would be there was no extreme threat for pains and it made him bleed when he used it so it affect him physically

neither case was stated.

Edit: I take the above statement back it was stated:

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However it only further proves my point:

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He has to focus on Deva in order to do either. So much so to the point where in the second case he has to bering deva closer so the chakra link is stronger, and has to silence konan to get his focus correct. A focus so strong that it causes him to bleed:

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So back to the original point. Do you really think THe sannin trio is gonna sit idle while deva by himself tries either of the 2 techs.

 

[New Dawn]

Clearly you don't realize how CT works if you're under the presumption that CT is an overwanked jutsu without a reason. The gravitational pull was so much in fact that a 6T Naruto couldn't fight against it.

None of the sannin could even hope to fight against the force CT possesses once trapped, and you'd have to be asinine to believe so. That, and none of them could destroy the core because the required firepower to destroy it is beyond that of their arsenal.

So chill with the underestimation of CT. It shits on the Sannin.

The core is weakest in its inception & the Sannin could spam or throw multiple powerful jutsus at it. You don't need one powerful jutsu to end chibaku. Its like punches in bunches. They gotta do it quick before the core gets surrounded by debris which makes it harder to destroy CT.

 

[DrProof]

The core is weakest in its inception & the Sannin could spam or throw multiple powerful jutsus at it. You don't need one powerful jutsu to end chibaku. Its like punches in bunches. They gotta do it quick before the core gets surrounded by debris which makes it harder to destroy CT.

Yes, but even in its weakest form, it took Yasaka Magatama, TBB. And a KCM FRS to destroy it, all the jutsu I just listed are stronger than any of the sannin's arsenal.

What jutsu are they honestly going to spam to destroy the core? It just isn't a plausible scenario. They'd get turned into paste man.

 

[New Dawn]

Yes, but even in its weakest form, it took Yasaka Magatama, TBB. And a KCM FRS to destroy it, all the jutsu I just listed are stronger than any of the sannin's arsenal.

What jutsu are they honestly going to spam to destroy the core? It just isn't a plausible scenario. They'd get turned into paste man.

When i say spam i mean throwing the most powerful jutsu u got multiple times. Like naruto throwing 3-5 KCM FRS as he is getting sucked into the core. Doesnt that work?

 

[DrProof]

When i say spam i mean throwing the most powerful jutsu u got multiple times. Like naruto throwing 3-5 KCM FRS as he is getting sucked into the core. Doesnt that work?

Yes, but you have to take in their allotted time before CT compaction. Itachi & co. only had time for 1 jutsu. That, and they were all ranged jutsu, Tsunade has none, Orochimaru has none, except for that that one in pt.1 that was weak af. Jiraiya has the flame bullet shit... I mean the sannin just aren't equipped to handle CT, and it is what it is tbh, but everyone is going to have a counter for something.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Mayfly shits on CT. But then again Pain would shit all over Oreo right after

 

[Edogawa]

He can't use chikabu with the other pains active. Tsunade already survived a far stronger shinra tensei -_-

I said Tendo wins by himself, so I didn't really count other Pains alongside. Tsunade survived it because she had time to prepare Katusya for defence. She's not getting any time here.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I said Tendo wins by himself, so I didn't really count other Pains alongside. Tsunade survived it because she had time to prepare Katusya for defence. She's not getting any time here.

She's not getting time to summon katsuyu? lol.

 

[Edogawa]

She's not getting time to summon katsuyu? lol.

Tsunade orders Katsuya to cover every villager while Nagato preps for his village levelling ST.

-Tendou Pain flies all the way up to the center of Konoha
-Chikushodo Pain runs across the village.
-Summons other Pain Paths.
-CST blows up Konoha.

So yes, she had ample of time to prepare for defense, which she isn't getting in this matchup, if Tendou fights by itself since Nagato is sending his Chakra to only one body. And it's not like CST is actually needed to neg diff the Sannin; the ST that curb-stomped the toads is more than enough.

 

[DrProof]

Tsunade orders Katsuya to cover every villager while Nagato preps for his village levelling ST.

-Tendou Pain flies all the way up to the center of Konoha
-Chikushodo Pain runs across the village.
-Summons other Pain Paths.
-CST blows up Konoha.

So yes, she had ample of time to prepare for defense, which she isn't getting in this matchup, if Tendou fights by itself since Nagato is sending his Chakra to only one body. And it's not like CST is actually needed to neg diff the Sannin; the ST that curb-stomped the toads is more than enough.

Who do you think wins, honest to God truth. EMS Madara vs a Healthy Nagato. Just a genuine question, no shade or anything.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Tsunade orders Katsuya to cover every villager while Nagato preps for his village levelling ST.

-Tendou Pain flies all the way up to the center of Konoha
-Chikushodo Pain runs across the village.
-Summons other Pain Paths.
-CST blows up Konoha.

So yes, she had ample of time to prepare for defense, which she isn't getting in this matchup, if Tendou fights by itself since Nagato is sending his Chakra to only one body. And it's not like CST is actually needed to neg diff the Sannin; the ST that curb-stomped the toads is more than enough.

She only has to protect 3 people, not an entire goddamn village.
2 if you factor in oro has oral rebirth.
1 if you factor that she herself has yin seal. And to do said protection all she need do is summon katsuyu.
heck i can even make the argument that Sm jman tanks it so long as its not CST level.

There's nothing to "prepare" here.

 

[DrProof]

She only has to protect 3 people, not an entire goddamn village.
2 if you factor in oro has oral rebirth.
1 if you factor that she herself has yin seal. And to do said protection all she need do is summon katsuyu.
heck i can even make the argument that Sm jman tanks it so long as its not CST level.

There's nothing to "prepare" here.

SM Jiraiya can't tank a miniature CST, no feats even suggest this. None.

Orochimaru is the only one who survives through Oral Rebirth, but if Deva decided to just spam CST or a miniature version of it it's GG. Oral Rebirths takes up way to much chakra, and Nagato >>>> Orochimaru in that area.

Sannin get buttraped.

CST/ST happens nigh instantly. She isn't summoning Katsuyu in that time slot, before she gets shat on.

 

[Edogawa]

She only has to protect 3 people, not an entire goddamn village.
2 if you factor in oro has oral rebirth.
1 if you factor that she herself has yin seal. And to do said protection all she need do is summon katsuyu.
heck i can even make the argument that Sm jman tanks it so long as its not CST level.

There's nothing to "prepare" here.

2. Yes, I agree Orochimaru would survive it.
1. Yin Seal isn't healing her from that magnitude of force. That ST killed 2 toads and crippled Gamabunta. Tsunade can't heal broken skeletal, and was only shown to heal from small damage attacks to my knowledge.

Please make an argument Jiraiya is tanking the ST that took out his summons, which he depends on virtually for anything. Also, every ST aside from the village one were shown to be instant. Tsunade isn't covering 3 people faster than instant Jutsu.

 

[Edogawa]

Who do you think wins, honest to God truth. EMS Madara vs a Healthy Nagato. Just a genuine question, no shade or anything.

I believe Nagato would win.

 

[DrProof]

I believe Nagato would win.

Can you give me a quick summary of why? I hardly know shit about Nagato tbh.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

2. Yes, I agree Orochimaru would survive it.
1. Yin Seal isn't healing her from that magnitude of force. That ST killed 2 toads and crippled Gamabunta. Tsunade can't heal broken skeletal, and was only shown to heal from small damage attacks to my knowledge.

Please make an argument Jiraiya is tanking the ST that took out his summons, which he depends on virtually for anything. Also, every ST aside from the village one were shown to be instant. Tsunade isn't covering 3 people faster than instant Jutsu.

-Glad you agree
-ST didn't kill any toads.Literally no toads died from Shinra tensei. Fukasaku was stabbed and the other toad was stabbed by danzo.
-Tsunade has already healed a broken spine and whatnot so no she can heal it.

Sm jman can tank it. Assuming he's in Sm.

Not true the stronger the ST the longer buildup and or delay. So yeah she can summon before he does a super strong ST.

I believe Nagato would win.

word? let me stop debating with you. Not one to deal with fanboys.

 

[Edogawa]

Can you give me a quick summary of why? I hardly know shit about Nagato tbh.

It would be off-topic for this thread, but mainly due to Gakido and CST. Gaki would absorb all of EMS Madara's arsenal, including PS; contrary to popular fallacy that thinks PS can't be absorbed or too big so takes time, Nagato absorbed 8 Tails worth of Hachibi's Chakra in V2 in a second, and we all know compressed Biju Chakra is tons of times bigger than Madara's own/PS. And aside of that, a focused CST would destroy PS since it generated more force than SS did, just judging by the crater.