September 23rd terminology.

[Brady]

Do you have any way to prove that the bible isn't a myth?

Did I ever claim it to be undoubtedly true? I believe it's true, but I'm not claiming that it for a fact exists because it's impossible for me to do so. I believe based on faith and faith is not provable, it's the choice of believing in something you cannot see. I believe God is real and that his son came down to die for my sins, whether or not it's without a doubt true is something neither of us can really prove.

However, if you believe the Bible is mythical without a doubt because a book written by people you trust on the sake of credentials says it's mythical, then you're just as lazy in belief as a Christian who claims that they know that without a shadow of a doubt God is real and that they can prove it. Argumentum Ad Verecundiam is a ridiculous position to use.

 

[Lightbringer]

Did I ever claim it to be undoubtedly true? I believe it's true, but I'm not claiming that it for a fact exists because it's impossible for me to do so. I believe based on faith and faith is not provable, it's the choice of believing in something you cannot see. I believe God is real and that his son came down to die for my sins, whether or not it's without a doubt true is something neither of us can really prove.

However, if you believe the Bible is mythical without a doubt because a book written by people you trust on the sake of credentials says it's mythical, then you're just as lazy in belief as a Christian who claims that they know that without a shadow of a doubt God is real and that they can prove it. Argumentum Ad Verecundiam is a ridiculous position to use.

Do you believe the Earth is flat?

Why do you believe the bible specifically? Why not the Quran, the Talmud, Diantecs, the Vedas, or the Tao Te Ching?

 

[Brady]

Do you believe the Earth is flat?

Why do you believe the bible specifically? Why not the Quran, the Talmud, Diantecs, the Vedas, or the Tao Te Ching?

No I don't believe the Earth is flat. The Bible does say "four corners of the Earth" but it could be referring to North, South, East, and West. It could have just been an idiom.

It's obvious as to why I believe in the Bible, because I was raised under it's belief. The Bible claims that it's word will reach all over the world. Historically this did happen as Europeans, the only Christian population on Earth with the means of spreading the belief, went all over the world with the Bible. I have other reasons for believing in the Bible that don't reside in anything that I would refer to as "provable".

For example, the number of completion in the Bible is seven. The celestial alignment on the 23rd is on a Saturday, the Sabbath. This celestial event happens once every seven thousand years and happens on the Seventh day of the week. There's no way the Hebrews would have been able to keep up with a celestial event occurring once every Seven Thousand years to properly document and describe it, on top of that this event will appear directly above Israel.

Do these coincidences mean that it's all real? No. Does it mean that it's worth putting stock in? Yes, in my opinion.

 

[Lightbringer]

No I don't believe the Earth is flat. The Bible does say "four corners of the Earth" but it could be referring to North, South, East, and West. It could have just been an idiom.

It's obvious as to why I believe in the Bible, because I was raised under it's belief. The Bible claims that it's word will reach all over the world. Historically this did happen as Europeans, the only Christian population on Earth with the means of spreading the belief, went all over the world with the Bible. I have other reasons for believing in the Bible that don't reside in anything that I would refer to as "provable".

For example, the number of completion in the Bible is seven. The celestial alignment on the 23rd is on a Saturday, the Sabbath. This celestial event happens once every seven thousand years and happens on the Seventh day of the week. There's no way the Hebrews would have been able to keep up with a celestial event occurring once every Seven Thousand years to properly document and describe it, on top of that this event will appear directly above Israel.

Do these coincidences mean that it's all real? No. Does it mean that it's worth putting stock in? Yes, in my opinion.

But do you mainly believe the world is round because we have evidence of it or through the bible?

There are still regions that it hasn't reached.

I think you underestimate how advanced ancient astronomy was. The Sumerians, the first human civilization, thousands of years before the bible was written, already knew that the world was round and that the Earth wasn't the center of our solar system.

 

[kimb]

Bible didn't go off Gregorian calendar.

 

[Brady]

But do you mainly believe the world is round because we have evidence of it or through the bible?

There are still regions that it hasn't reached.

I think you underestimate how advanced ancient astronomy was. The Sumerians, the first human civilization, thousands of years before the bible was written, already knew that the world was round and that the Earth wasn't the center of our solar system.

My belief of the world being round is based in the spherical sort of look I see when looking at the sky. I haven't looked at the Earth from space so I don't know whether it's flat or round, I'm just guessing.

True, there are regions it hasn't reached but it's getting quite close to everywhere and fast.

The Sumerians are different from the ancient Israelites when it comes to things like astronomy. The Israelites were a small tribe of people who's religion shows little interest in the stars and constant interest in religious conflicts with other nearby clans of people.

 

[Lightbringer]

My belief of the world being round is based in the spherical sort of look I see when looking at the sky. I haven't looked at the Earth from space so I don't know whether it's flat or round, I'm just guessing.

True, there are regions it hasn't reached but it's getting quite close to everywhere and fast.

The Sumerians are different from the ancient Israelites when it comes to things like astronomy. The Israelites were a small tribe of people who's religion shows little interest in the stars and constant interest in religious conflicts with other nearby clans of people.

So you just assumed the Earth was round by looking at that sky and it had nothing to do with you being taught that the Earth was round or seeing pictures of a round Earth?

But both Buddhism and Islam is spreading faster and farther than Christianity. So why not believe in them?

That doesn't mean that the knowledge of a culture hasn't been exchanged or passed down.

 

[The Work]

The Bible never said the world was 5,000 years old.

 

[Brady]

The Bible never said the world was 5,000 years old.

Based on the counting back of the genealogies and how long the people lived the math was done and the conclusion of 5,000 years was made.

 

[Brady]

So you just assumed the Earth was round by looking at that sky and it had nothing to do with you being taught that the Earth was round or seeing pictures of a round Earth?

But both Buddhism and Islam is spreading faster and farther than Christianity. So why not believe in them?

That doesn't mean that the knowledge of a culture hasn't been exchanged or passed down.

Yes, I just assumed. I can remember the day pretty well when I came to the conclusion the Earth was round. It isn't impossible, just looking at the sky can give you the idea of the Earth being spherical.

True, but I've chosen not to follow any other religions and stick to Christianity, just a choice of mine. Islam to me is just far too convenient for the people involved and Buddhism isn't something I've looked into far enough. Due to where I was born, how I was raised, and the things I was taught, I've come to the conclusion of Christianity being true. Am I saying other religions are without a doubt false? No.

7,000 years is quite some time, enough time for knowledge to be lost, and for ideas and religions to change.

 

[Lightbringer]

Yes, I just assumed. I can remember the day pretty well when I came to the conclusion the Earth was round. It isn't impossible, just looking at the sky can give you the idea of the Earth being spherical.

True, but I've chosen not to follow any other religions and stick to Christianity, just a choice of mine. Islam to me is just far too convenient for the people involved and Buddhism isn't something I've looked into far enough. Due to where I was born, how I was raised, and the things I was taught, I've come to the conclusion of Christianity being true. Am I saying other religions are without a doubt false? No.

7,000 years is quite some time, enough time for knowledge to be lost, and for ideas and religions to change.

I find it hard to believe that statement. And just how old were you when you came to this conclusion?

So you only believe in the Christian God just because you were raised to believe in him? That doesn't sound very logical. What if you were raised to believe in Cthulhu? Would you believe in that too?

The Sumerian civilization was just one example. Many ancient civilizations had advanced astronomy.

 

[Nyanmaru]

So because the Theology class says the Bible is mythology it must be? By that logic you should believe the Bible because it claims itself to be true and that the God within the book to be absolute and omnipotent.

You can't call religion blind belief but then believe something based on Argumentum ad verecundiam.

Oh, wait./ Sorry I didn't say it clearly. From the genesis into the story of the israelites. Not necessarily saying that it's blind. It's just that you have to have different lenses when reading the bible.

But hey, It's september 23 here now and goddamit im not dead yet.

 

[Brady]

I find it hard to believe that statement. And just how old were you when you came to this conclusion?

So you only believe in the Christian God just because you were raised to believe in him? That doesn't sound very logical. What if you were raised to believe in Cthulhu? Would you believe in that too?

The Sumerian civilization was just one example. Many ancient civilizations had advanced astronomy.

You might find it hard to believe but the sky has always looked spherical to me, and when I came to the conclusion based on that observation I wasn't introduced to the idea of the Earth being round. It's just a random occurrence, nothing special.

I believe in the Christian God based on things I've read throughout the Bible that I believe to be true, and based on my personal experiences. You keep questioning why Christianity and not another religion but I've made it clear that I've chosen Christianity. I'm not saying Cthulu, Amon Ra, Buddha, Baal, and Wotan are fake without a doubt, I'm just saying this is my faith.

The Israelite's were not as astronomical as the Sumerians, in fact the only time they pay attention to the sky is in regards to signs that they believe will soon be sent. Beyond that, they weren't concerned with the sky like the other civilizations.

 

[Lightbringer]

You might find it hard to believe but the sky has always looked spherical to me, and when I came to the conclusion based on that observation I wasn't introduced to the idea of the Earth being round. It's just a random occurrence, nothing special.

I believe in the Christian God based on things I've read throughout the Bible that I believe to be true, and based on my personal experiences. You keep questioning why Christianity and not another religion but I've made it clear that I've chosen Christianity. I'm not saying Cthulu, Amon Ra, Buddha, Baal, and Wotan are fake without a doubt, I'm just saying this is my faith.

The Israelite's were not as astronomical as the Sumerians, in fact the only time they pay attention to the sky is in regards to signs that they believe will soon be sent. Beyond that, they weren't concerned with the sky like the other civilizations.

You didn't answer the question as to your age of this self-discovery?

You say the Israelites weren't concerned with the sky, yet they ostensibly wrote about it.

But if you hold blind faith to something, then you'll be biased against the truth. Convenient truths are not real truths.

 

[Brady]

Oh, wait./ Sorry I didn't say it clearly. From the genesis into the story of the israelites. Not necessarily saying that it's blind. It's just that you have to have different lenses when reading the bible.

But hey, It's september 23 here now and goddamit im not dead yet.

The idea is that after Sept 23, the rapture will soon occur and the Great Tribulation as well, or that the sign of Sept 23 is meant to be a warning to come into God's fold.

 

[Brady]

You didn't answer the question as to your age of this self-discovery?

You say the Israelites weren't concerned with the sky, yet they ostensibly wrote about it.

But if you hold blind faith to something, then you'll be biased against the truth. Convenient truths are not real truths.

I was quite young, maybe five or six.

The Israelites wrote about it, but were not as interested in the sky as say... the Mayans, Inca, Sumerians. Their relationship with the sky is looking for signs, beyond that, I doubt they were out there trying to see constellations and study the stars and planets. Their beliefs are completely based around God and what he does with creation.

Faith is faith, trust and belief in that which you cannot see. Although I believe it to be true, I've made it quite clear that I cannot prove it to be the ultimate truth as in everything is fake without a shadow of a doubt. For all I know, I could be wrong. I believe that God will prove himself to be real and true. Along the way of my life and through the things I've read and seen, I've decided to stick with Christianity. I've thought about other religions and investigating but my experiences brought me back.

 

[Lightbringer]

The idea is that after Sept 23, the rapture will soon occur and the Great Tribulation as well, or that the sign of Sept 23 is meant to be a warning to come into God's fold.

But do you not see how this is just another rabbit hole? You'll keep making up ways to justify apocalyptic prophecies.

I was quite young, maybe five or six.

The Israelites wrote about it, but were not as interested in the sky as say... the Mayans, Inca, Sumerians. Their relationship with the sky is looking for signs, beyond that, I doubt they were out there trying to see constellations and study the stars and planets. Their beliefs are completely based around God and what he does with creation.

Faith is faith, trust and belief in that which you cannot see. Although I believe it to be true, I've made it quite clear that I cannot prove it to be the ultimate truth as in everything is fake without a shadow of a doubt. For all I know, I could be wrong. I believe that God will prove himself to be real and true. Along the way of my life and through the things I've read and seen, I've decided to stick with Christianity. I've thought about other religions and investigating but my experiences brought me back.

I find it highly unlikely that you've never seen a picture of Earth at that age.

But if your holy book, which is supposed to be the word of God, has had many inaccurate texts about history, nature, science, etc. then why would you continue to believe that it could be true? You would knowingly be believing in a lie.

It's the same as if you were born with the belief that the world was flat or that the Sun revolved around Earth, but it's been proven otherwise. Who in their right mind would continue to believe it's flat?