Chakra and affinities.

[Quanta]

Yeah I believe a person's chakra already has certain elemental properties even without deliberate nature transformation. This is the rationale behind using that piece of paper to reveal Naruto's wind affinity.

 

[salamander uchiha]

That's why you need to learn how to control your affinity.

Controlling your affinity doesn't mean it doesn't exist within the chakra.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Yeah I believe a person's chakra already has certain elemental properties even without deliberate nature transformation. This is the rationale behind using that piece of paper to reveal Naruto's wind affinity.

I agree that's why I'm saying all shapemanipulation jutsu should be composed of the nature itself.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

OP: No.

Chakra affinity allows one to learn that chakra nature based techniques more easily than others. So if a user has wind affinity then it'll be much easier for them to learn wind style techniques compared to any other element.

 

[salamander uchiha]

OP: No.

Chakra affinity allows one to learn that chakra nature based techniques more easily than others. So if a user has wind affinity then it'll be much easier for them to learn wind style techniques compared to any other element.

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According to these scans the chakra itself has a nature so therefore should be naturally reflected in the chakra based jutsu or they should be composed of it unless altered.

 

[Ansatsuken]

I think affinity is keep in Yin. So when the user want to use their affinity base jutsu the affinity then is channeled from Yin into user chakra

 

[salamander uchiha]

I think affinity is keep in Yin. So when the user want to use their affinity base jutsu the affinity then is channeled from Yin into user chakra

That would be reasonable had everybody had yin nature. And chakra itself wasnt a combination of physical energy and spiritual energy.

 

[Exaar]

You've missed the point the affinity should already exist within the chakra why would you need to learn to add it. Naruto's rasengan should naturally be lwind based, kakashi's lightning based. Why would you need to learn to do that if your chakra is already affinity inclined.

Lets just say it does, that elemental affinity within your chakra isn't enough to naturally influence your jutsu, Otherwise the paper test wouldn't be required you'd just be able to see it naturally when a person created chakra.

 

[Ansatsuken]

That would be reasonable had everybody had yin nature. And chakra itself wasnt a combination of physical energy and spiritual energy.

Every one has yin nature in NV. Refer back to the chapter on how chakra is created.

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Physical-Yang

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[salamander uchiha]

Lets just say it does, that elemental affinity within your chakra isn't enough to naturally influence your jutsu, Otherwise the paper test wouldn't be required you'd just be able to see it naturally when a person created chakra.

I see what your saying and I mentioned in my original post it makes no sense. I could understand making it more manifest or stronger but the jutsu itself should be composed of it.

Do you think kishi came up with the idea much later?

 

[salamander uchiha]

Every one has yin nature in NV. Refer back to the chapter on how chakra is created.

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Spiritul-Yin
Physical-Yang

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I know that I meant actual yin release or potency of it to use jutsu via it like susanoo or genjutsu. Like everybody has physical energy or yang release but they can't all use yang release.

Anyway I'm with you and I agree. That's one of the reasons I hold hand seals are used to give form via altering the spiritual energy into jutsu.

However chakra itself is a combination of both and therefore should reflect both with the natural affinity like in rasengan which is pure manifestation of a users chakra and then shaped.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

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According to these scans the chakra itself has a nature so therefore should be naturally reflected in the chakra based jutsu or they should be composed of it unless altered.

I guess chakra possess part of all the 5 natures and thus highly skilled ninjas are able to use techniques from different element styles. The most dominant of all those chakra natures is considered to be the user's chakra affinity imo.
That said in general even the effects of user's dominant chakra is barely visible with pure chakra based attacks unless the user channels his dominant nature into an attack of the same element style. In case of Boruto's disappearing rasengan, Sasuke clearly says that Boruto altered the chakra nature of the attack unconsciously and I think the chakra was altered into pure wind natured chakra and thus the disappearance into thin air. Hope this is explained in the manga.

 

[salamander uchiha]

I'd agree bit it goes back to what I said and pure chakra(excluding yin yang techs) doesn't technically exist since it's all ultimately influenced by your nature/affinity. The other natures a person can change their chakra to them via handseals that's why they're needed. Pure chakra would be a person's chakra being manifested which should include the nature as well.

As a whole I think kishi changed his mind and created a major contradiction. I do hope there's more expansion in Boruto so far I'm seeing Boruto's rasengan chidori etc as being correspondent with what he's implied in Naruto.

 

[Ansatsuken]

I'd agree bit it goes back to what I said and pure chakra(excluding yin yang techs) doesn't technically exist since it's all ultimately influenced by your nature/affinity. The other natures a person can change their chakra to them via handseals that's why they're needed. Pure chakra would be a person's chakra being manifested which should include the nature as well.

As a whole I think kishi changed his mind and created a major contradiction. I do hope there's more expansion in Boruto so far I'm seeing Boruto's rasengan chidori etc as being correspondent with what he's implied in Naruto.

Contradiction is Kishi's play thing

 

[SenseiSama]

Obito already had yin release being an Uchiha and possessing sharingan. And I don't know if Ashura's yang gives healing. But what's definite is everybody has a natural chakra affinity Yamato confirms it. Bottom panel.

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Yin affinity comes in different levels just like any other affinity, Indra incarnates have a higher Yin affinity than any other Uchiha

 

[salamander uchiha]

Yin affinity comes in different levels just like any other affinity, Indra incarnates have a higher Yin affinity than any other Uchiha

I agree all affinities come within variations of potency. An Indra incarnate would have stronger potency than the regular Uchiha. The Uchiha have a stronger potency of Yin release than non senju and non Uchiha. The sages yin was enough to grant a rinne sharingan to Sasuke a pure yin eye.

 

[SenseiSama]

I agree all affinities come within variations of potency. An Indra incarnate would have stronger potency than the regular Uchiha. The Uchiha have a stronger potency of Yin release than non senju and non Uchiha. The sages yin was enough to grant a rinne sharingan to Sasuke a pure yin eye.

Yep, and the reason Obito was able to use a flying PS like Indra and his incarnates is because the Sage chakra boosted his affinity to a level comparable to theirs.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Yep, and the reason Obito was able to use a flying PS like Indra and his incarnates is because the Sage chakra boosted his affinity to a level comparable to theirs.

Nope that's not true the databook says MS in necessary for perfect susanoo and both eyes achieve full power when together. Nothing to do with sage chakra boosting his potency.

 

[SenseiSama]

Nope that's not true the databook says MS in necessary for perfect susanoo and both eyes achieve full power when together. Nothing to do with sage chakra boosting his potency.

And what is the product of MS ? Very strong Yin affinity. And what is the product of Susanoo ? An even stronger Yin affinity.

Susanoo was rare among MS users because not everyone had the affinity to unlock it, the avatar was originally Indra's feat.

 

[salamander uchiha]

And what is the product of MS ? Very strong Yin affinity. And what is the product of Susanoo ? An even stronger Yin affinity.

Susanoo was rare among MS users because not everyone had the affinity to unlock it, the avatar was originally Indra's feat.

Indra is an ancestor but it's still an MS ability. You see MS users themselves are rare let alone susanoo which requires both MS eyes. And then taking to make a perfect Susanoo. Indra is also the ancestor of the Uchiha he embodies the strongest eyes. His descendants however share his power whether they're incarnates or not. Some bring it to fruition and the others do not.