Strongest Descendants Of Hagormo: Senju or Uchiha

[Retsu]

Senju, no contest

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Six Path Powers are Uchiha + Senju, thus all are discounted from both sides. Thus no Rinnegan Madara, Nagato is excluded since his powers are almost exclusively from the Rinnegan, no Rinnegan Sasuke and no Hashirama DNA buffs. And of course no Juubi Jins.

That leaves the Senju as the obvious choice. Hashirama is far stronger than any Uchiha on his lonesome. Naruto is far stronger than any Uchiha besides Sasuke and Madara and he can share chakra with the rest of his comrades. The only way Uchiha are superior is if you count Uchiha who have gained Senju's power, which is stupid because it defeats the purpose of the thread.

Imbecile. The Uchiha side has got 2 KA's at their disposal and you think they win? Hashirama can get KA'd easily, Naruto as well. It's GG from the onset.

 

[KidGamer65]

Imbecile. The Uchiha side has got 2 KA's at their disposal and you think they win? Hashirama can get KA'd easily, Naruto as well. It's GG from the onset.

Naruto is a Jinchuuriki who can share and manipulate said shared chakra you retard. Genjutsu is broken by Kurama if Naruto is hit, and then Naruto manipulates his shared chakra to free Hashirama.

 

[Retsu]

Imbecile. The Uchiha side has got 2 KA's at their disposal and you think they win? Hashirama can get KA'd easily, Naruto as well. It's GG from the onset.

Ka didn't stop danzo, it's not making a difference

 

[salamander uchiha]

Naruto is a Jinchuuriki who can share and manipulate said shared chakra you retard. Genjutsu is broken by Kurama if Naruto is hit, and then Naruto manipulates his shared chakra to free Hashirama.

KA doesn't work like that and I've yet to see Naruto manipulate shared chakra.

 

[KidGamer65]

KA doesn't work like that and I've yet to see Naruto manipulate shared chakra.

That is exactly how it and every other ocular Genjutsu works besides a select few, and I suggest you go read Chapters 627-629.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Naruto is a Jinchuuriki who can share and manipulate said shared chakra you retard. Genjutsu is broken by Kurama if Naruto is hit, and then Naruto manipulates his shared chakra to free Hashirama.

KA can erase memories or create new ones. It's not about releasing the Genjutsu but overcoming it mentally, which is rendered impossible by erasing these memories. He won't even remember he had Kurama, therefore severing the coonnection between them.

That's abstract, how does sharing your chakra even have to do with memories that have been completely erased? And it's impossible to break out of it if you're convinced you're the one forming the thoughts. It's GG.

 

[salamander uchiha]

That is exactly how it and every other ocular Genjutsu works besides a select few, and I suggest you go read Chapters 627-629.

Not really how KA works Danzo used it on Mifune but nobody was aware of it affecting or altering mifune's network in fact Ao only realised Danzo was using genjutsu because he could see it in the sharingan. Nobody broke Mifune flow or anything ot release him. Like I said KA works differently.

I've read the chapters perhaps I wasn't clear what I meant was Naruto hasn't manipulate the chakra to influence the peoples chakra flow or to amp their jutsu etc.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Ka didn't stop danzo, it's not making a difference

Was it ever used on him? No.

A Mangekyou Sharingan Genjutsu that's said to be superior to Tsukuyomi and has a 10 years cool down? Mate, you're kidding me if you're saying Hashirama/Naruto can break out of it.

 

[KidGamer65]

KA can erase memories or create new ones. It's not about releasing the Genjutsu but overcoming it mentally, which is rendered impossible by erasing these memories. He won't even remember he had Kurama, therefore severing the coonnection between them.

That's abstract, how does sharing your chakra even have to do with memories that have been completely erased? And it's impossible to break out of it if you're convinced you're the one forming the thoughts. It's GG.

Sure, that overwrites NARUTO's memories. Not Kurama, who will break him out. Bold is more of that stupidity that you're famous for around these parts. The only thing that will stop Kurama from disrupting Naruto's chakra is Kurama being extracted. End of story.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

That is exactly how it and every other ocular Genjutsu works besides a select few, and I suggest you go read Chapters 627-629.

The Jutsu is not ordinary Genjutsu and it's not exactly 'ocular' since it doesn't require an eye exchange.

 

[wanderingcactus]

idk why people are still lumping the uzumaki with the senjus.

they are distant cousins. I'm sure they are far more distant that the uchihas.

but hey, "ashura's transmigrant" is where it all falls down all to.

I mean that'd be wierd Hashirama marrying an uzumaki if that were the case.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Sure, that overwrites NARUTO's memories. Not Kurama, who will break him out. Bold is more of that stupidity that you're famous for around these parts. The only thing that will stop Kurama from disrupting Naruto's chakra is Kurama being extracted. End of story.

I could spent time arguing with that, but not to waste my time I'll just take the easy route: Kurama gets KA'd as well. GG.

 

[KidGamer65]

Not really how KA works Danzo used it on Mifune but nobody was aware of it affecting or altering mifune's network in fact Ao only realised Danzo was using genjutsu because he could see it in the sharingan. Nobody broke Mifune flow or anything ot release him. Like I said KA works differently.

I've read the chapters perhaps I wasn't clear what I meant was Naruto hasn't manipulate the chakra to influence the peoples chakra flow or to amp their jutsu etc.

Nobody broke Mifune's chakra flow because Danzo released the jutsu. Genjutsu disrupts the chakra flow and is broken via disrupting the chakra flow and KA is no different unless you are willing to show me where KA was said or shown to be different. KA is OP because the target can't break it due to being controlled without knowing what's going on. That's useless when there is another being inside of you that won't be affected.

It's all the same exact thing. If you want to show otherwise I suggest you do less denying and bring actual evidence.

 

[KidGamer65]

The Jutsu is not ordinary Genjutsu and it's not exactly 'ocular' since it doesn't require an eye exchange.

Ocular genjutsu = Eye Genjutsu. The rest is irrelevant unless you want to tell me that it's not an ocular jutsu.

I could spent time arguing with that, but not to waste my time I'll just take the easy route: Kurama gets KA'd as well. GG.

Scans of Genjutsu being used to control Bijuu from within or gtfo.

 

[Char Aznable]

idk why people are still lumping the uzumaki with the senjus.

they are distant cousins. I'm sure they are far more distant that the uchihas.

but hey, "ashura's transmigrant" is where it all falls down all to.

I mean that'd be wierd Hashirama marrying an uzumaki if that were the case.

The Uzumaki and Senju are almost interchangeable with how people like Black Zetsu, Tobirama and Madara talk about them. It's always Uzumaki of the "Senju Lineage".


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Not as weird as continuous intermarrying within the Uchiha and Hyuga clans. Have to keep bloodlines pure and all that.

 

[Dgrayman]

senju, this will be a sasuke and madara vs naruto and hasharima fight, and naruto already beat sasuke and hashi already beat madara so W

 

[salamander uchiha]

Nobody broke Mifune's chakra flow because Danzo released the jutsu. Genjutsu disrupts the chakra flow and is broken via disrupting the chakra flow and KA is no different unless you are willing to show me where KA was said or shown to be different. KA is OP because the target can't break it due to being controlled without knowing what's going on. That's useless when there is another being inside of you that won't be affected.

It's all the same exact thing. If you want to show otherwise I suggest you do less denying and bring actual evidence.

Your mistaken KA overrides everything altogether take as an example. Kabuto had absolute control of the Edo's bodies and by default their chakra flow yet KA over rid it and even freed Itachi. Kabuto could neither break the flow or undo it(Edo summoning) and it was a simple command protect konoha.

It's power was so great that it was to be used on Sasuke and would instantly change his mind to protect konoha theirs no breaking it like you think. Like I said its not like a run of the mill genjutsu. Even the 2nd strongest genjutsu can be used over and over (tsuki) yet KA has a 10 year charge time (likely for non Uchiha shisui and hashi cell wielders).

 

[KidGamer65]

Your mistaken KA overrides everything altogether take as an example. Kabuto had absolute control of the Edo's bodies and by default their chakra flow yet KA over rid it and even freed Itachi. Kabuto could neither break the flow or undo it(Edo summoning) and it was a simple command protect konoha.

It's power was so great that it was to be used on Sasuke and would instantly change his mind to protect konoha theirs no breaking it like you think. Like I said its not like the ru of the mill genjutsu. Even the 2nd strongest genjutsu can be used over and over (tsuki) yet KA has a 10 year charge time (likely for non Uchiha shisui and hashi cell wielders).

Because KA severed his connection with Kabuto which was remote. Kurama is inside of Naruto. That's obviously not the same thing, however that definitely does prevent Naruto from breaking Hashirama out via sharing his chakra.

So the Uchiha would beat the Senju after all.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Nobody broke Mifune's chakra flow because Danzo released the jutsu. Genjutsu disrupts the chakra flow and is broken via disrupting the chakra flow and KA is no different unless you are willing to show me where KA was said or shown to be different. KA is OP because the target can't break it due to being controlled without knowing what's going on. That's useless when there is another being inside of you that won't be affected.

It's all the same exact thing. If you want to show otherwise I suggest you do less denying and bring actual evidence.

Lol. And how does Hashirama break out of it if no one knows he's being controlled?