Strongest person these hypothetical Madara's can beat?

[The Messiah]

1. DRSM Madara without susanoo.

2. DRSM Madara with susanoo and the kyuubi.

3. DRSM Madara with all of Hashirama's abilities and his limbos can use all of his techs at full power. This one is pretty op so feel free to put a team that can give him a good fight but he can still possibly beat.

These are all individually not as a team.

 

[KidGamer65]

1. 8G Gai or SM Hashirama

2. RSM Naruto w/o the cloak.

3. VoTE 2 Sasuke or RSM Naruto and above would win by themselves. RG Sasuke on his own could win. Adult Sasuke would definitely win.

 

[Ambivalence]

3. DRSM Madara with all of Hashirama's abilities and his limbos can use all of his techs at full power. This one is pretty op so feel free to put a team that can give him a good fight but he can still possibly beat.

3. VoTE 2 Sasuke or RSM Naruto and above would win by themselves. RG Sasuke on his own could win. Adult Sasuke would definitely win.

So much for that...

 

[Eng nawashi]

The first one still has CT ,Prets path ,limbo,wood dragon ,jukai kotan and FTW boosted with Sejutsu ...etc he can beat BSM Naruto .Limbo and his CT can possibly make him beat Hashirama but he can't really defend against Buddha attacks or evade it .

DRSM Madara with susano and kyuubi can beat Hashirama and Rinnegan Sasuke .

The third one can beat DMS kakashi .he might get a chance against Vote Naruto and Sasuke and JJ Obito .while he is too OP ,limbo's cool down is a weakness .he can have 5 PS or 5 Limbos only for limited period of time .

 

[The Messiah]

1. 8G Gai or SM Hashirama

I agree with this. Do you think he can produce enough meteors with the size and strength to take down SS or could it be as simple as him sending a limbo clone to the top of SS to KO Hashi? If that's possible.

2. RSM Naruto w/o the cloak.

This is way too easy for Madara. I was leaning towards DMS Kakashi.

3. VoTE 2 Sasuke or RSM Naruto and above would win by themselves. RG Sasuke on his own could win. Adult Sasuke would definitely win.

I think Madara can take that one high diff, so yea I kinda agree with you on this one.

 

[KidGamer65]

I agree with this. Do you think he can produce enough meteors with the size and strength to take down SS or could it be as simple as him sending a limbo clone to the top of SS to KO Hashi? If that's possible.


This is way too easy for Madara. I was leaning towards DMS Kakashi.



I think Madara can take that one high diff, so yea I kinda agree with you on this one.

Following the normal progression of a battle Hashirama won't last long enough to use Shinsuusenju. The moment the match starts 5 Limbo gang bang him and the real Madara finishes him off.

Sure, he could beat Kakashi. But Kakashi is inferior to Naruto without his cloak if we take into account the fact that:

1. He still has all his previous SM and Base techniques, but scaled up to a much higher level.
2. He has more chakra than he did in Kurama Mode without Hagoromo's power.
3. Shinju splitting YRS is not the highest amount of power he possesses.
4. Still much faster. (near Pre Shinju JJ Madara's level)
5. Still much stronger, physically.
6. Still has access to the Bijuu's powers outside of Bijuu Dama.

Nope. He definitely loses. His Limbo may be perfect duplicates of him, but they still are drawn back into body after a certain amount of time, and they still have a delay before they can be used again, and it's easy to tell which one is the original. Defeat the original and the clones vanish along with him. Ameno + Chidori or PS Chidori if Madara is in Susanoo or is using some kind of Avatar is enough to kill this version of Madara.

 

[The Messiah]

The first one still has CT ,Prets path ,limbo,wood dragon ,jukai kotan and FTW boosted with Sejutsu ...etc he can beat BSM Naruto .Limbo and his CT can possibly make him beat Hashirama but he can't really defend against Buddha attacks or evade it .

I agree with this. I was thinking the same thing about how he defends against SS.

DRSM Madara with susano and kyuubi can beat Hashirama and Rinnegan Sasuke

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He definitely beats Hashirama but isn't ameno followed up with PS chidori a game ender?

The third one can beat DMS kakashi .he might get a chance against Vote Naruto and Sasuke and JJ Obito .while he is too OP ,limbo's cool down is a weakness .he can have 5 PS or 5 Limbos only for limited period of time .

I doubt he can even put up a fight against Naruto and Sasuke but I do think he has a chance against juubito he just needs to prevent juubi dama from getting off.

 

[Hakke]

Following the normal progression of a battle Hashirama won't last long enough to use Shinsuusenju. The moment the match starts 5 Limbo gang bang him and the real Madara finishes him off.

Sure, he could beat Kakashi. But Kakashi is inferior to Naruto without his cloak if we take into account the fact that:

1. He still has all his previous SM and Base techniques, but scaled up to a much higher level.
2. He has more chakra than he did in Kurama Mode without Hagoromo's power.
3. Shinju splitting YRS is not the highest amount of power he possesses.
4. Still much faster. (near Pre Shinju JJ Madara's level)
5. Still much stronger, physically.
6. Still has access to the Bijuu's powers outside of Bijuu Dama.

Nope. He definitely loses. His Limbo may be perfect duplicates of him, but they still are drawn back into body after a certain amount of time, and they still have a delay before they can be used again, and it's easy to tell which one is the original. Defeat the original and the clones vanish along with him. Ameno + Chidori or PS Chidori if Madara is in Susanoo or is using some kind of Avatar is enough to kill this version of Madara.

Can't he escape Sasuke's Chidori by swapping with Limbo?

 

[KidGamer65]

Can't he escape Sasuke's Chidori by swapping with Limbo?

Only if he can react, which he can't.

 

[The Messiah]

Following the normal progression of a battle Hashirama won't last long enough to use Shinsuusenju. The moment the match starts 5 Limbo gang bang him and the real Madara finishes him off.

Sure, he could beat Kakashi. But Kakashi is inferior to Naruto without his cloak if we take into account the fact that:

1. He still has all his previous SM and Base techniques, but scaled up to a much higher level.
2. He has more chakra than he did in Kurama Mode without Hagoromo's power.
3. Shinju splitting YRS is not the highest amount of power he possesses.
4. Still much faster. (near Pre Shinju JJ Madara's level)
5. Still much stronger, physically.
6. Still has access to the Bijuu's powers outside of Bijuu Dama.

Nope. He definitely loses. His Limbo may be perfect duplicates of him, but they still are drawn back into body after a certain amount of time, and they still have a delay before they can be used again, and it's easy to tell which one is the original. Defeat the original and the clones vanish along with him. Ameno + Chidori or PS Chidori if Madara is in Susanoo or is using some kind of Avatar is enough to kill this version of Madara.

DMS Kakashi should be able to beat that Naruto. Naruto can't defend against Kakashi's PS and kamui shuriken can intercept any frs.

Lol you said Sasuke COULD win. I was under the assumption that it could go either way and even though Sasuke knows who the original is Madara can swap with limbo and ameno also has a cool down.

Edit: Yea you're right. JJ Madara and RSM Naruto had trouble reacting to ameno and they have way better reaction speed than this Madara. Who's the strongest he beats then?

 

[KidGamer65]

DMS Kakashi should be able to beat that Naruto. Naruto can't defend against Kakashi's PS and kamui shuriken can intercept any frs.

Lol you said Sasuke COULD win. I was under the assumption that it could go either way and even though Sasuke knows who the original is Madara can swap with limbo and ameno also has a cool down.

Edit: Yea you're right. JJ Madara and RSM Naruto had trouble reacting to ameno and they have way better reaction speed than this Madara. Who's the strongest he beats then?

He doesn't need to defend from it when he can overpower it. Kamui Shuriken has only shown to be used in sets of 4. Naruto can make over a dozen clones and use just as many FRS, each one capable of damaging PS. Once PS is destroyed Kakashi doesn't stand a chance. Kamui is easily dodged, and his other attacks are easily sensed and countered or evaded.

The strongest he beats is Juubito, but if Nunoboko is anywhere near as strong as hyped then Juubito beats him too, leaving Base RSM Naruto as the strongest he beats.

 

[Eng nawashi]

I agree with this. I was thinking the same thing about how he defends against SS.

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He definitely beats Hashirama but isn't ameno followed up with PS chidori a game ender?



I doubt he can even put up a fight against Naruto and Sasuke but I do think he has a chance against juubito he just needs to prevent juubi dama from getting off.

Sasuke's regular PS wasnt shown to be able to teleport with Ameno .this is BPS's feat .PS chidori is nowhere strong enough to one shot PS either .
Yeah he can't beat Sasuke with BPS but he can possibly pull it against Naruto if he could interrupt Naruto from gathering the extra NE which is possible.
Obito doesn't need to charge 4 super sized TTB to destroy Madara .multiple Standard Juubidama ,which can be charged much faster ,are enough .

 

[Megax Rocker7]

Sasuke's regular PS wasnt shown to be able to teleport with Ameno .this is BPS's feat .PS chidori is nowhere strong enough to one shot PS either .
Yeah he can't beat Sasuke with BPS but he can possibly pull it against Naruto if he could interrupt Naruto from gathering the extra NE which is possible.
Obito doesn't need to charge 4 super sized TTB to destroy Madara .multiple Standard Juubidama ,which can be charged much faster ,are enough .

The avatar doesn't matter, Sasuke is the one using amenotejikara, and avatars are always shown to teleport along with their users:

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[Eng nawashi]

The avatar doesn't matter, Sasuke is the one using amenotejikara, and avatars are always shown to teleport along with their users:

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Considering the range that BPS covered with Ameno ,there is no way that Sasuke was the one who teleported and the avatar teleported with him .it is actually the other way around .

 

[AlphaMaleLion]

1. 8G Gai or SM Hashirama

2. RSM Naruto w/o the cloak.

3. VoTE 2 Sasuke or RSM Naruto and above would win by themselves. RG Sasuke on his own could win. Adult Sasuke would definitely win.

This is no jj madara so i agree. Double jj would wreck even the adult forms

 

[KidGamer65]

This is no jj madara so i agree. Double jj would wreck even the adult forms

He wouldn't "wreck" them, but yeah.

Considering the range that BPS covered with Ameno ,there is no way that Sasuke was the one who teleported and the avatar teleported with him .it is actually the other way around .

Lmao so the Avatar that has no mind or techniques of it's own teleported for Sasuke? Does that sound like it makes any type of sense whatsoever?

 

[Eng nawashi]

Lmao so the Avatar that has no mind or techniques of it's own teleported for Sasuke? Does that sound like it makes any type of sense whatsoever?

No PS did not teleport on its own .Sasuke , who is the mind of PS ,used his teleportation Tech through his PS just like PS chidori .Sasuke did not create chidori in his hand in order to make PS use chidori ,he just used the chidori through his PS .the same can be said with Ameno case .
The distance covered with the teleportation strengthens my point that PS didn't just teleport because it was attached / connected to Sasuke who used Ameno regularly like every time before.

 

[KidGamer65]

No PS did not teleport on its own .Sasuke , who is the mind of PS ,used his teleportation Tech through his PS just like PS chidori .Sasuke did not create chidori in his hand in order to make PS use chidori ,he just used the chidori through his PS .the same can be said with Ameno case .
The distance covered with the teleportation strengthens my point that PS didn't just teleport because it was attached / connected to Sasuke who used Ameno regularly like every time before.

That doesn't make sense though. Chidori gets stronger because it can channeled through Susanoo as it is a tech made of chakra. Ameno isn't thus it can't be physically channeled through Susanoo. Not to mention this is a baseless assumption. The distance covered either means that it's relative to his Avatar's size.

Then we have the fact that even if he did, saying he can't with PS because he only did it with BPS is irrelevant as the Avatar doesn't dictate if you can channel jutsu through it or not.

 

[Eng nawashi]

That doesn't make sense though. Chidori gets stronger because it can channeled through Susanoo as it is a tech made of chakra. Ameno isn't thus it can't be physically channeled through Susanoo. Not to mention this is a baseless assumption. The distance covered either means that it's relative to his Avatar's size.

Then we have the fact that even if he did, saying he can't with PS because he only did it with BPS is irrelevant as the Avatar doesn't dictate if you can channel jutsu through it or not.

Tengai tensi isn't a jutsu made of chakra yet Madara used his Susano for it so your point is actually not true .
Nope .if sasuke had used ameno like every time and PS teleported only because it was connected to him , then the distance covered shouldnt have been relative to His Susano size ,the range can't be relative to the PS size unless susano is what used the ability,by Sasuke's will ofc, not sasuke .

In order to channel your jutsu through the susano it is either Susano uses its own chakra or the user supplies it with chakra .either way BPS has got a new massive chakra supply so giving its feats to PS isn't accurate until PS shows this kind of feat .
Not to mention that teleportation was the first thing his PS did after gaining Biju chakra which was obviously a showcase of its new power and potential .

 

[amaya]

1. Nagato
2. Obito
3. Naruto and Sasuke