Against Madara's Limbo his clones didn't instantly get destroyed even though he made an equal amount to counter them. Against Sasuke they were both in terrible condition but if Sasuke was vastly above Naruto in Taijutsu, he would have easily beat him but he didn't.
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Those same puppets gave a Gentle Fist master trouble. Combine that with his feat against Momoshiki and Naruto's a beast in Taijutsu.
Sasuke always fight with his Sharingan on and OP didn't say with everyone in base at taijutsu only Naruto. Besides other than precog Sharingan doesn't effect anyone's taijutsu like a mode does.
Yeah, Momoshiki seemed to have gotten downgraded in the manga. The fool went from taking on naruto & sasuke's teamwork for a while to getting dodged by base naruto...
more like they upgraded base/rsm naruto and downgraded sasuke from movie
how can u say they downgraded Kinshiki's power
when he was able fought both sasuke and kages
as for momo
like movie he stomp sasuke when sasuke tried to attack him from behind and overall still stomped sasuke in manga
they changed nothing other then making base/rsm naruto look stronger and sasuke look weaker in physically
Like other's said vs Momo he was only blocking mostly.
And his speed and finesse.
His taijutsu don't change in those modes tho. He gets faster yea and stronger(frog kata) but his overall taijutsu don't change.
He still didn't use taijutsu alone. He fought using Rasengan's. OP is talking about base Naruto.
Sasuke always fight with his Sharingan on and OP didn't say with everyone in base at taijutsu only Naruto. Besides other thanprecog Sharingan doesn't effect anyone's taijutsu like a mode does.
more like they upgraded base/rsm naruto and downgraded sasuke from movie
how can u say they downgraded Kinshiki's power
when he was able fought both sasuke and kages
as for momo
like movie he stomp sasuke when sasuke tried to attack him from behind and overall still stomped sasuke in manga
they changed nothing other then making base/rsm naruto look stronger and sasuke look weaker in physically
Yeah, i know. Naruto shined more than anyone else in the recap's version of the final fight. Yes, they did. There's hardly any tagteam taijutsu that naruto & sasuke did in the movie.
They only ping ponged momo, that's it.
Sure Naruto can dodge and block all Momoshiki's strikes but it bcus he is fast and strong but not bcus he has Taijutsu proficiency. And most of Momo's attacks are direct attack without any formations. Sure Momo just an ordinary guy and not a Taijutsu master.
Its like a Thug fighting another thug where one thug can dodge another thug's attack bcus he is much faster than the other thug. That still not sufficient enough to tell you that Thug level of Taijutsu.
At least Hyuuga, Might Guy and Lee has Taijutsu style/foundation and not just a fighting move without a foundation.
So here Naruto series not really using 'Taijutsu' by its meaning. But Naruto definition of Taijutsu is strike-defend/block-dodge(bland/without style) and what determine the outcome are the speed level and strength of the fighter.
Re watch/read Drunken Lee vs Kimimaro. It was a fight between two with unorthodox fighting styles, unique movements and Taijutsu techniques. It was entertaining and definitely the best Taijutsu fight in the Manga.
I have to agree his thai jutsu is likely chunin level and at best non sharingan kakashi's (although that's pushing it). Without his shadow clones he's nothing special in that regard.
His taijutsu was a joke earlier in shippuden, but by his last fight with sasuke, he was keeping up with sasuke's taijutsu without any clones in a few instances. I think his taijutsu is superb at this point. People don't seem to notice how much he's improved.
His taijutsu was a joke earlier in shippuden, but by his last fight with sasuke, he was keeping up with sasuke's taijutsu without any clones in a few instances. I think his taijutsu is superb at this point. People don't seem to notice how much he's improved.
It's not that Naruto's Taijutsu is bad. It's more like it's a bit crude and to the point. No elegance or flashy moves that incorporate his specialties in a nuanced way.
But it still gets the job done and he is able to contend with guys with more refined cqc techniques. All power and speed no real style as it were.
more like they upgraded base/rsm naruto and downgraded sasuke from movie
how can u say they downgraded Kinshiki's power
when he was able fought both sasuke and kages
as for momo
like movie he stomp sasuke when sasuke tried to attack him from behind and overall still stomped sasuke in manga
they changed nothing other then making base/rsm naruto look stronger and sasuke look weaker in physically
Kinshiki was shown splitting the Shinju with his blades in the movie. He did no such thing in the movie.
Sasuke looked weaker physically because he didn't do as much as he did in the movie. His physical hits were still strong enough to do something to Momoshiki like in the movie. Base Naruto being able to last that long against Momoshiki means that Momoshiki isn't as powerful as he was before, physically. That doesn't change Base or RSM Naruto's power. :lol
And let's also make something clear. Base Naruto still got slapped by Momoshiki in Base like he did in the movie. When it comes to close combat he's nowhere near Sasuke, Kinshiki or Fused Momoshiki. Fused Momoshiki was still beating his ass despite Naruto not getting stomped.
Like other's said vs Momo he was only blocking mostly.
And his speed and finesse.
His taijutsu don't change in those modes tho. He gets faster yea and stronger(frog kata) but his overall taijutsu don't change.
He still didn't use taijutsu alone. He fought using Rasengan's. OP is talking about base Naruto.
Sasuke always fight with his Sharingan on and OP didn't say with everyone in base at taijutsu only Naruto. Besides other than precog Sharingan doesn't effect anyone's taijutsu like a mode does.
This doesn't even make any sense. Overall Taijutsu is how you do period. Not what style you use. Naruto gets faster and stronger thus his Taijutsu gets better overall because those are the two major things that dictate Taijutsu ability. Speed/Reaction speed and physical strength.
Sasuke still had enough chakra to maintain his sharingan until later in the fight, Matching Sasuke in taijutsu at the end of the series in and of itself is a feat. You can say they were both tired so it doesn't count, but that doesn't make much sense. they were both equally tired, meaning no advantage was present on either side making it a fair comparison of their taijutsu skills. Do you really think Naruto became Hokage as well as the most powerful ninja alive in the show (tied with sasuke) with chunin level taijutsu?
Sasuke still had enough chakra to maintain his sharingan until later in the fight, Matching Sasuke in taijutsu at the end of the series in and of itself is a feat. You can say they were both tired so it doesn't count, but that doesn't make much sense. they were both equally tired, meaning no advantage was present on either side making it a fair comparison of their taijutsu skills. Do you really think Naruto became Hokage as well as the most powerful ninja alive in the show (tied with sasuke) with chunin level taijutsu?
Of course it was the only time Naruto and Sasuke actually trade blows was when his sharingan deactivated. If you read the fight again the majority of blows Naruto lands with shadow clones on Sasuke are while he's reeling from his Rinnegan usage and seated on the floor. That damage would also play a part in the fight. After the sharingan is gone then it's a regular fight between the 2. Naruto's thaijutsu skills aren't that impressive. As for him becoming Hokage it's not because of his thaijutsu skills that's for sure. As Itachi out it the one that is acknowledged becomes Hokage.
Kinshiki was shown splitting the Shinju with his blades in the movie. He did no such thing in the movie.
Sasuke looked weaker physically because he didn't do as much as he did in the movie. His physical hits were still strong enough to do something to Momoshiki like in the movie. Base Naruto being able to last that long against Momoshiki means that Momoshiki isn't as powerful as he was before, physically. That doesn't change Base or RSM Naruto's power. :lol
And let's also make something clear. Base Naruto still got slapped by Momoshiki in Base like he did in the movie. When it comes to close combat he's nowhere near Sasuke, Kinshiki or Fused Momoshiki. Fused Momoshiki was still beating his ass despite Naruto not getting stomped.
This doesn't even make any sense. Overall Taijutsu is how you do period. Not what style you use. Naruto gets faster and stronger thus his Taijutsu gets better overall because those are the two major things that dictate Taijutsu ability. Speed/Reaction speed and physical strength.
At BOLD, uhmm no. Momoshiki was able to casually split the god-tree by just flexing his chakra. If that isn't an indication of his massive strength, I don't know what is.
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Additionally, I get that you might be making reference to Momoshiki physical strength. If that's the case, by adding it didn't change Base or RSM, it makes your logic terrible. Simple reason. Upon limiting your reference to Momoshiki physical strength, I'll assume his other capabilities is above Naruto's, meaning his speed, chakra quantity, should be above Naruto's. Problem though. The fact Naruto was able to keep up with him, advances the suggestion that his speed was similar to him. This conclusion contradicts yours, which claimed his battle against amped Momoshiki didn't change his power, when in factuality it implies part of Naruto's power was registered greater than before since speed is among the subdivisions of power.
