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Training is when you actually teach someone something, or improve on their abilities. Boruto missed his father, so he painted the Hokage monument to drag him out. Then he forced Naruto to play with him, and then he got sad and hid until Naruto went away.

I'm actually not looking forward to your reaching of this scene. I can already tell this is going to be the most retarded reply, though you could prove me wrong and be logical. I doubt it though.


Boruto said he learned how to utilize shadow clones + his elemental natures w/o training. Meaning that they came naturally to him without guidance. Naruto is referring to Boruto's attitude when it comes to team work, and training overall. Which is why he scolds Konohamaru for keeping Boruto with that mindset.


Boruto and Sasuke haven't trained one on one since the Movie Arc.

He also developed the power of his rasengan and developed it from his micro rasengan and that certainly didn't happen without training.
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Does Blruto real the benefit of his games with Naruto or not? Doesn't he get to hone his skills and Naruto also entertains these games. It's an indirect form of training whatever the reason may be.
It's not the traditional form of spending time and training with a sensei or teacher to hone your skills that I can agree with.

As for coming naturally I do believe things come easier to Boruto and because of that reason he cheated when he found things difficult or he was forced to put in lots of effort(Boruto the movie).

Boruto didn't learn the natures out of thin air or the shadow clones he would've even taught them if I'm not mistaken he dismissed Naruto saying he doesnt need to practise and is boasting about his skill set. If I'm not mistaken Boruto says I don't need practise to develop my skills.

The point I'mmaking is Sasuke changed Boruto's mindset with the training and what happened with Naruto although not proven he's likely taking his training seriously whether alone or with a teacher. After all he developed a proper rasengan form his baby 1.

Hanabi also mentioned that Boruto's not been keeping up with his training. So he definitely trains but has been slacking.
 
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Its not meant to be once you provide proof for your claim Ill consider providing the rebuttal. In case you've forgotten you pretty much stated base Sakura is stronger than base Naruto?

I'll be looking forward to it.:)

This doesn't look like a rebuttal either
 

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Does Blruto real the benefit of his games with Naruto or not? Doesn't he get to hone his skills and Naruto also entertains these games. It's an indirect form of training whatever the reason may be.
It's not the traditional form of spending time and training with a sensei or teacher to hone your skills that I can agree with.
If Boruto didn't learn anything new, no.

As for coming naturally I do believe things come easier to Boruto and because of that reason he cheated when he found things difficult or he was forced to put in lots of effort(Boruto the movie).
You do realize Boruto cheated because he likes to take short cuts right? He would rather cheat than do it himself. It doesn't mean he can't. He didn't ask to cheat. He was forced to cheat.

Katasuke FORCED the KOTE on him.

Boruto didn't learn the natures out of thin air or the shadow clones he would've even taught them if I'm not mistaken he dismissed Naruto saying he doesnt need to practise and is boasting about his skill set. If I'm not mistaken Boruto says I don't need practise to develop my skills.
Says who? People can self teach themselves thins.

The point I'mmaking is Sasuke changed Boruto's mindset with the training and what happened with Naruto although not proven he's likely taking his training seriously whether alone or with a teacher. After all he developed a proper rasengan form his baby 1.
I know what you're saying, I'm saying that they haven't been training in a while.

Hanabi also mentioned that Boruto's not been keeping up with his training. So he definitely trains but has been slacking.
Hanabi said that Boruto should take training seriously instead of slacking, to which Boruto shrugs.
 

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If Boruto didn't learn anything new, no.


You do realize Boruto cheated because he likes to take short cuts right? He would rather cheat than do it himself. It doesn't mean he can't. He didn't ask to cheat. He was forced to cheat.

Katasuke FORCED the KOTE on him.


Says who? People can self teach themselves thins.


I know what you're saying, I'm saying that they haven't been training in a while.


Hanabi said that Boruto should take training seriously instead of slacking, to which Boruto shrugs.

Indirect training doesn't really have to teach you new jutsu but youbcant development hone your existing skills and learn and practise strategies which in one way is learning something new.

I agree Boruto cheated because he doesn't like diffcit situations. He cheated because he chose to cheat. But this isn't about Boruto cheating it's about his mindset etc.

I can't remember Katsuke forcinging the kote on Boruto I'll have to refresh my memory.

As for Sasuke training Boruto we won't really know if he is it isn't unless we get flashbacks or something. Or we get future chapters on this.

People can self teach themselves where we live on the nv you require instruction. Ie. The bare minimum is a jutsu scroll (Naruto shadow clones) unless Boruto has 1 of those he's likely not self learning.
Hanabi's comment I don't remember it fully but if it as you say it then Hanabi's confirming Boruto trains by saying he should take it seriously and he shrugs it off. Well he does spend time with his friends.
 

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Indirect training doesn't really have to teach you new jutsu but youbcant development hone your existing skills and learn and practise strategies which in one way is learning something new.
Yes it does. Training implies your learning something new, or you're improving. If you can't prove either of those two, then no. Especially since Boruto said they were playing tag, and not training. That's the end of this.

I can't remember Katsuke forcinging the kote on Boruto I'll have to refresh my memory.
katasuke and his goons were stalking Boruto. When he failed his Rasengan, or thought he did, Katasuke found him and brought him to his lab.

As for Sasuke training Boruto we won't really know if he is it isn't unless we get flashbacks or something. Or we get future chapters on this.
It's only been a few weeks since the Movie ARc ended via the Manga. Maybe in the time skip or something

People can self teach themselves where we live on the nv you require instruction. Ie. The bare minimum is a jutsu scroll (Naruto shadow clones) unless Boruto has 1 of those he's likely not self learning.
There's no specified bare limit bro. If Denki can google what chakra is, kids can learn to do things easier thanks to the wide variety of knowledge the Village has.

Hanabi's comment I don't remember it fully but if it as you say it then Hanabi's confirming Boruto trains by saying he should take it seriously and he shrugs it off. Well he does spend time with his friends.
Hanabi said that Boruto should take training at home seriously because he wasn't doing well against her, which made him serious. Or something on those lines.

Boruto has Hinata at home, so I guess it makes sense if she taught him basic Jyuken. Even though he doesn't have a Bykaugan. But all parents teach their children. So this is nothing important.
 

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Not sure what this even means considering that Sasuke grew up without a family.
Considering he some Ninjutsu by the start of the Academy, I think you know very well that means. I'm not going to say this again also.

Him training by himself after his parents got killed, and then finally getting some spotlight with Kakashi isn't a 'exactly'. Your point is irrelevant here.
What exactly are you implying? That Kakashi isn't largely why Sasuke was even that strong by the time he fought Sasuke? Jesus. *rolls eyes*

>Kakashi helped him with his Sharingan proficiency.
>Taught him in Taijutsu
>Gave him Chidori

And you want to Sasuke got there on his own.

Sarada/Boruto, and everyone else, has resources that Sasuke didn't.
Sasuke pretty much grew up without anyone to mentor him, sure. But he already about two Katon techniques by the time he was a Genin and also had some skill with manipulating the trajectory of weapons (Shurikenjutsu basically). This was all thanks to Itachi. He definitely didn't get this good w/o any form of help.

Granted even Mitsuki, despite being born already as a young boy.
What are you saying here?

Obviously. That's not resources either. Boruto would of just kept using shadow clones for the rest of his life because he doesn't really care about that ninja stuff.>Claims Boruto would've just kept using shadow clones for the rest of his life
>Proceeds to imply that Boruto didn't care about the concept of being a ninja.

In reality:

>Boruto wants to become stronger than his father.
>Has vowed to surpass him and become a different ninja than him.
However, Sasuke forced him to learn.
More lies.

Sasuke didn't 'force' Boruto to learn. He's the one that approached him to teach him so he could become stronger. Then Sasuke told him he wouldn't take him as his disciple only unless he mastered the Rasengan within the time he specified.


Your arguing that Boruto has all these resources at his disposal, and yet, nothing that happened is exclusive to him.
Sarada's been deprived of a great privilege because of Sasuke wanting to bring out Boruto's potential. Something that wouldn't even be required if Boruto took his training seriously.

Considering Boruto stated he already knew how to do elemental natures before Sasuke arrived, it doesn't matter. Sasuke is going to teach him stuff obv
Stuff he hasn't shown. Most of the stuff he's about to show will be attributed to Sasuke I assure you.


I haven't seen Sasuke teach anyone since the Boruto Movie.
Boruto's abilities have only been this great in the Manga because of his extensive training with Sasuke.

When he fought those ninja, he showed use of shurikenjutsu, which showed to be useful.

So no one is getting 'trained' exclusively. Sasuke is still in Konohagakure and I doubt he doesn't sleep or hang out in his own home. So more excuses
Not an excuse. It's an opinion.


And? Shit. Konohamaru isn't bias like Kakashi, he only trains if you ask. If Sarada doesn't ask, whose fault is that? Boruto didn't even care until Sasuke came around. And since then he doesn't even hang out with him lol
I can't make Kishimoto train her, unfortunately. Why do you expect for her to ask Konohamaru anyway? She needs someone like Sasuke who would understand her abilities, that way she's able to improve faster, plus what can Konohamaru teach her? His Katon is probably weak as hell, and besides Katon, and I don't think he has lightning as one of his chakra natures.

Boruto was actually invested in knowing Sasuke's identify long before he came. There's no denying that Boruto would've been trained by him at one point or another. Though Sarada should've been given a chance as well.

You don't have the proof for that statement.


Mitsuki used Sage Mode for about a few seconds, which is more than enough to stop someone. More ninjutsu and techniques than Sarada has though.
If she even has Ninjutsu at all.

They aren't in the same category.
Unwarranted.


Sarada didn't even have elemental natures until Ikemoto/Ukyo continued the Manga. Kishimoto's Sarada was almost an exact replica of Sakura when it came to CQC fight. I'm not sure why your expecting her to have ninjutsu abilities like that. Her forte is Shuriken jutsu, Genjutsu, and Ninjutsu knowledge.
Yet we haven't seen neither.

Why would I be saying Boruto? Naruto is the one who stole the scroll to learn the Multi Shadow Clone jutsu.
Dunno, you tell me. Boruto didn't teach himself though.


Boruto's been better than Sarada since day 1, Boruto is not even stronger than Mitsuki[
/QUOTE]Better in what aspect?

Shino said that test was a physical assessment of their strengths and weaknesses overall.
Sasuke was at the top of his class. Boruto is #2. Guess so far Boruto is failing in that aspect of being a bigger prodigy than Sasuke, if that was even stated.



Sarada has a sensei in the Academy Arc who makes her do assignments at night, and Boruto doesn't.
Sarada studies her books, Boruto doesn't.

Iwabe is the #1 in the Academy year
I know.

You're just making up garbage. Boruto complains because he doesn't spend time with his dad, but you expect me to believe that Naruto actually trains him when they said the opposite in the Anime.
Trained him before he started feuding with him. When he was younger than he is now.

In the Manga, Boruto demonstrates the Taijutsu to go up against his dad, but he's quickly subdued. Naruto must have trained him when they spent time together. That would explain how he was able to measure his ability.

Or where would he get the talk about how he's not like him and more like Sasuke? Just hearing he knows elemental Jutsu doesn't cut it.

Konohamaru and Boruto never interacted in the Anime training wise, ever.
Manga depicts a different story. Boruto got training, man, by who, I dunno yet, but his speed/Taijutsu shows he had training prior the Academy, or it wouldn't make sense at all. He couldn't get that good even if he trained in his dreams.


> Made up garbage about Boruto having more resources, when he doesn't
> Made up garbage about Naruto/Konohamaru training him, when neither does
> Made up garbage about Mitsuki being in the same boat as Sarada, when he's better than her in everything
> Made up excuses for Sarada's skills despite her having resources everywhere and a sensei who makes her train at night

Nada.
Ironic coming from someone who just made a lot of stuff up, just to defend Boruto's superior privileges.

I didn't even say, at any point, that Sarada was in the same boat as Mitsuki, ever. You're the one putting words in my word so your list looks more convincing.

Sarada still does the training on her own. She's still more heuristic than Boruto ever will be and that's a fact, and that's a resource she only got because she put her head in her books unlike a certain ninja that doesn't put effort into anything and expects to become a great ninja like Sasuke.
 

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Well damn... by some of the stuff I'm reading on here every time someone does an errand, or takes a step to get something for someone else, they're being indirectly trained....

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If Boruto didn't learn anything new, no.


You do realize Boruto cheated because he likes to take short cuts right? He would rather cheat than do it himself. It doesn't mean he can't. He didn't ask to cheat. He was forced to cheat.

Katasuke FORCED the KOTE on him.


Says who? People can self teach themselves thins.


I know what you're saying, I'm saying that they haven't been training in a while.


Hanabi said that Boruto should take training seriously instead of slacking, to which Boruto shrugs.

He didn't force it on him if he had the ultimate choice in the end. :lol
 

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This doesn't look like the proof either.

Neither does this post. I think you need to learn what a rebuttal is. Or you could learn what common sense is. It's okay to admit that you don't want to counter my post because you can't, which is why you are crying over an irrelevant side argument.
 

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Yes it does. Training implies your learning something new, or you're improving. If you can't prove either of those two, then no. Especially since Boruto said they were playing tag, and not training. That's the end of this.


katasuke and his goons were stalking Boruto. When he failed his Rasengan, or thought he did, Katasuke found him and brought him to his lab.


It's only been a few weeks since the Movie ARc ended via the Manga. Maybe in the time skip or something


There's no specified bare limit bro. If Denki can google what chakra is, kids can learn to do things easier thanks to the wide variety of knowledge the Village has.


Hanabi said that Boruto should take training at home seriously because he wasn't doing well against her, which made him serious. Or something on those lines.

Boruto has Hinata at home, so I guess it makes sense if she taught him basic Jyuken. Even though he doesn't have a Bykaugan. But all parents teach their children. So this is nothing important.

Well playing tag or attacking Naruto as Boruto does does improve his skills and is an indirect form of training even if it's fun. The question is do games help people improve their skills etc. The answer is yes whether done fo run or not is irrelevant.

Boruto took the Kote voluntarily nobody forced him too although that's irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

As you said Boruto is the type to slack off him learning something like Denki did I highly doubt it. He'd need instruction he's not thw kind to go out of his way to learn a new jutsu. And he'd need a scroll I guess they could have online scrolls and things for ninja.

Yes Boruto likely trained at home with Hinata Jyuken combat helps with thai jutsu skills and speed so it's likely it's from there.
 
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Neither does this post. I think you need to learn what a rebuttal is. Or you could learn what common sense is. It's okay to admit that you don't want to counter my post because you can't, which is why you are crying over an irrelevant side argument.

It's not an irrelevant side argument it's very relevant that's why your not providing proof for your claim.
So once I see the proof base Sakura is stronger than Base Naruto and the databook stats take CES strength into account as you claimed.
If I have time I'll write you a rebuttal.
 

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It's not an irrelevant side argument it's very relevant that's why your not providing proof for your claim.
So once I see the proof base Sakura is stronger than Base Naruto and the databook stats take CES strength into account as you claimed.
If I have time I'll write you a rebuttal.

Lmao stop being an idiot. This argument is because I said the stats are irrelevant, yet in my main argument I'm still using the stats as if they are valid. So in reality this side argument is irrelevant. You just have nothing intelligent left to add when it comes to Boruto vs. Sarada. It's ok bud. You don't have to front for the forum.

I've already provided the evidence. Until you can show that CES is a form Sakura enters you have no point.
 

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It's not an irrelevant side argument it's very relevant that's why your not providing proof for your claim.
So once I see the proof base Sakura is stronger than Base Naruto and the databook stats take CES strength into account as you claimed.
If I have time I'll write you a rebuttal.

Naruto: 110
Sakura: 100
Sasuke: 120

Makes sense if they're scored on their base ability because Base Sasuke > Base Naruto > Base Sakura.

Makes absolutely no sense if scored on overall abilities because:

Sakura (CES) > Naruto (RSM) > Sasuke.

KidGamer got this one wrong.
 

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Gotta love how Zack is still chiming in like his opinion is relevant when it's just an echo of another trash opinion. Stop using the logic of "The scores should be way higher". Sarada without CES hasn't shown strength above that of her peers yet she has a 160 while Boruto and Mitsuki have 120 and 130 respectively, yet you are claiming that the stats don't include CES.

Of course I fully expect Zack to reply with some idiotic drivel and salafapdra to ignore this.
 

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Lmao stop being an idiot. This argument is because I said the stats are irrelevant, yet in my main argument I'm still using the stats as if they are valid. So in reality this side argument is irrelevant. You just have nothing intelligent left to add when it comes to Boruto vs. Sarada. It's ok bud. You don't have to front for the forum.

I've already provided the evidence. Until you can show that CES is a form Sakura enters you have no point.

Not really since everybody knows that CES enhances your strength and if it was the case that the strength was included Sakura's strent stat would be a lot higher especially compared to Naruto's strength. That invalidates that false notion you present that it's included. It's the way you try to dismiss the stats altogether.
So I'll wait for the proof on that claim then I'll answer
P's. Rebuttal may take a few days anyway since I need to get to my PC to write it. I can't write long winded ones on my phone.
 

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Naruto: 110
Sakura: 100
Sasuke: 120

Makes sense if they're scored on their base ability because Base Sasuke > Base Naruto > Base Sakura.

Makes absolutely no sense if scored on overall abilities because:

Sakura (CES) > Naruto (RSM) > Sasuke.

KidGamer got this one wrong.

Yes I agree but he's too butthurt to admit it and now he's making excuses.
 

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Considering he some Ninjutsu by the start of the Academy, I think you know very well that means. I'm not going to say this again also.
Considering everyone had ninjutsu at the start of the academy, it doesn't matter. I don't really care what your irrelevant point is.

What exactly are you implying? That Kakashi isn't largely why Sasuke was even that strong by the time he fought Sasuke? Jesus. *rolls eyes*
I know your stupid now. You tried tried bringing up Kakashi for retarded reasons, and I already exposed the fact that Sasuke was by himself for years until Kakashi took interest in him. So now your backtracking into some irrelevant point that I didn't even insinuate. Mind you, this is what I was talking about earlier about lying.

>Kakashi helped him with his Sharingan proficiency.
Kakashi never taught Sasuke how to use the Sharinan

>Taught him in Taijutsu
Nope. Sasuke copied Lee's movements, it wasn't just Kakashi. If Sasuke didn't have the Sharingan's copying ability at 2T, this wouldn't have worked. Even Kakashi states that most of it was due to Sasuke's talent himself.

>Gave him Chidori
Okay?

And you want to Sasuke got there on his own.
I said that Sasuke was plenty strong by training on his own even before Kakashi took interest in him. He was the number one rookie and he didn't even have parents who taught him. Sasuke's father just taught him Katon, recently, and a few days later Itachi killed the entire Clan. He was a little kid.

Sasuke pretty much grew up without anyone to mentor him, sure. But he already about two Katon techniques by the time he was a Genin and also had some skill with manipulating the trajectory of weapons (Shurikenjutsu basically). This was all thanks to Itachi. He definitely didn't get this good w/o any form of help.
Thanks for proving my point. Sasuke's father taught him Katon, of course, but Sasuke himself trained and he learned his own techniques post-that. Bar Chidori of course, but in terms of raw ninjutsu. He had Phoenix Flower Jutsu, and Dragon Flame Jutsu. All of which were his own.



>Boruto wants to become stronger than his father.
Nope. Boruto wanted to teach his father a lesson for ditching Himawari's birthday, Sasuke is the one who says that he has the potential to do so.

>Has vowed to surpass him and become a different ninja than him.
Boruto never vowed to surpass his father. Not once.


More lies.
^Points above. You're right

Sasuke didn't 'force' Boruto to learn. He's the one that approached him to teach him so he could become stronger. Then Sasuke told him he wouldn't take him as his disciple only unless he mastered the Rasengan within the time he specified.
Sasuke told Boruto that the only way for him to become his student, is if he learned the Rasengan. Which forces Boruto to learn the Rasengan, to become Sasuke's student.

Prime example of how retarded you are.


Sarada's been deprived of a great privilege because of Sasuke wanting to bring out Boruto's potential. Something that wouldn't even be required if Boruto took his training seriously.
Excuses.

Stuff he hasn't shown. Most of the stuff he's about to show will be attributed to Sasuke I assure you.
Not my problem


Boruto's abilities have only been this great in the Manga because of his extensive training with Sasuke.
Yet Sasuke only taught him shuriken jutsu. Next.

When he fought those ninja, he showed use of shurikenjutsu, which showed to be useful.
Which ninja? Boruto cheated in the Chunin Exams. In the Manga, he's only used shuriken jutsu on Shojoji and that failed.

I can't make Kishimoto train her, unfortunately. Why do you expect for her to ask Konohamaru anyway? She needs someone like Sasuke who would understand her abilities, that way she's able to improve faster, plus what can Konohamaru teach her? His Katon is probably weak as hell, and besides Katon, and I don't think he has lightning as one of his chakra natures.
Not my problem. You're just making excuses because Sarada is presented weak as hell. You're no better than Hinata or Sakura fan's who expected them to be top tier for no reason. Konohamaru is a Jonin Ninja. Calling him weak is disturbing. He'll probably be a tier below Sharingan-less Kakashi, or maybe on the same tier. Depending on his feats. He already has boss summons in the Academy, and his Rasengan is already Oodama level based on what he used to stop the Nue. He wasn't in even serious, tbh.

Boruto was actually invested in knowing Sasuke's identify long before he came. There's no denying that Boruto would've been trained by him at one point or another. Though Sarada should've been given a chance as well.
Boruto didn't know much about Sasuke, nor was he interested.

You don't have the proof for that statement.
The Manga begs to differ


If she even has Ninjutsu at all.
Not my problem


Yet we haven't seen neither.
Excuses

Dunno, you tell me. Boruto didn't teach himself though.
Boruto learned w/o training. If you're teaching someone, you're training them. Basic shit. Next.


]Better in what aspect?
Everything.

Sasuke was at the top of his class. Boruto is #2. Guess so far Boruto is failing in that aspect of being a bigger prodigy than Sasuke, if that was even stated.
Sasuke wasn't up against someone who was older than him + failed the courses twice. Boruto was. Next.

Sarada studies her books, Boruto doesn't.
Further proving you don't know shit.

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In the Manga, Boruto demonstrates the Taijutsu to go up against his dad, but he's quickly subdued. Naruto must have trained him when they spent time together. That would explain how he was able to measure his ability.
There's no basis against this. Boruto fighting with his dad doesn't mean that they trained before. Especially when Naruto complains that his son doesn't train. Next.

Manga depicts a different story. Boruto got training, man, by who, I dunno yet, but his speed/Taijutsu shows he had training prior the Academy, or it wouldn't make sense at all. He couldn't get that good even if he trained in his dreams.
Both Manga and Anime state that Boruto doesn't train. I'm not sure why you're retarded, but I should ask your parents.

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Keep your fan fics to yourself


Ironic coming from someone who just made a lot of stuff up, just to defend Boruto's superior privileges.

I didn't even say, at any point, that Sarada was in the same boat as Mitsuki, ever. You're the one putting words in my word so your list looks more convincing.

Sarada still does the training on her own. She's still more heuristic than Boruto ever will be and that's a fact, and that's a resource she only got because she put her head in her books unlike a certain ninja that doesn't put effort into anything and expects to become a great ninja like Sasuke.
Nothing more ironic than a guy who lies about facts. Makes up arguments from nowhere. Brings up no scans or screen shots to form an actual opinion on, just talks out of their ass.

Complains about nonsense because Sarada is presented as a fodder in their eyes. Complains about Boruto in the most retarded way.

I think I've seen enough to form an accurate accusation that you're an actual idiot. Thanks for playing.
 
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Not really since everybody knows that CES enhances your strength and if it was the case that the strength was included Sakura's strent stat would be a lot higher especially compared to Naruto's strength. That invalidates that false notion you present that it's included. It's the way you try to dismiss the stats altogether.
So I'll wait for the proof on that claim then I'll answer
P's. Rebuttal may take a few days anyway since I need to get to my PC to write it. I can't write long winded ones on my phone.

Look. Go address my post or don't quote me. I'm not interested in your opinion on the stats if you aren't going to back up your claims nor is the validity of the stats serious enough (at least to me, can't say the same for the ones clinging so desperately to them) for me to continue entertaining this buffoonery.
 
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