Like what Pain beating Hebi Sasuke or Might Gai beating Kid Sasuke or Hagoromo beating baby Sasuke :lol
Its not that I am constantly trolling .You are not so different from me I saw 100 times that your posts are trolling certain fanbases and constantly mocking other members for their opinion.
Cool if you want a discussion with me post a scans I already asked so that I can make my reasons why Hinata wins
I am still waiting for couple manga scans
- Scans of Sakura tanking physical force that that is above average human punch
A) Got knocked out by regular punch to the head
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You think something changed in part 2 ???? Nope
B) Got knocked out again
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C) again
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D) Now you dont even need to punch her.she will faint away
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- scans of Sakura/Tsunade performing 1/3 of damage like Sakura did (against Juubi clones) without having to jump so high into air.
- scans that show when hitting the ground worked against opponent who can actually react not just stand there and watch ???
Hitting the ground only worked against Zetsu,Shin and Juubi clones. It only worked against clones who are nothing more but fodders and plot tool whose job is to show us others performing their jutsus on them.
Hitting the ground never worked like here.
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Kabuto even admits he sucks at taijutsu yet still he is able to dodge her attacks
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And here half Kabuto body is literally underground while Tsunade is in air yet he still has time to react.
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We have similar case here. true this is Sasori but its same example hitting the ground and those debris can be dodged even by Chiyo
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Only time debris are hard to dodge is when Sakura jumps high into air but that can easily be prevented by vacumm palm or just by shunshin away.
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All I got are some lame excuses and nonsense explanations without actual scans.They love to talk so much about feats and scans yet when you ask for them they don´t provide them
this is what happens when a troll can't make argument for shitty chars he fap over.He tries downplay the other char using scans that are old or irreleveant :lol
Told you Evil don't bother with a troll.Have you ever argued with someone when the char moans Char B wins becoz char A has only these feats No it happens only when you argue hinata fans
Why :lol becoz they are in here to troll :lol scan of part 1 sakura just post Rikudo BS and Hinata can fly and she is hamura reincarnated and you will get on Lady[lol] Troll's tier
Edit: Hilarious using Tsunade in his Post so this guy he believes Hinata can beat Tsunade too :lol damn talk about delusion due to a phase
I think it is confusing because back in part1 CES as a technique was non-existent. When Jiraiya saw Tsunade using her strength he was surprised she's still so strong after years of drinking. And Kabuto cut the muscles in her arms, her chakra network wasn't damaged, so she could've used CES because she was able to use Ranshinsho and medical ninjutsu just fine.
I think Kishi originally intended her strength to be natural ( hence why she got 5 points in the databook ) but changed it later when he gave the same power to Sakura.
No, it was a thing even back then. DB 2 was released before Part 1 ended. DB 2 is where it is stated that Tsunade's strength comes from chakra and not raw bodily power. CES enhances physical strength, it doesn't change the fact that muscle power is the basis of all strength, so if Tsunade's muscles are damaged then her hits will be weaker.
this is what happens when a troll can't make argument for shitty chars he fap over.He tries downplay the other char using scans that are old or irreleveant :lol
Told you Evil don't bother with a troll.Have you ever argued with someone when the char moans Char B wins becoz char A has only these feats No it happens only when you argue hinata fans
Why :lol becoz they are in here to troll :lol scan of part 1 sakura just post Rikudo BS and Hinata can fly and she is hamura reincarnated and you will get on Lady[lol] Troll's tier
Edit: Hilarious using Tsunade in his Post so this guy he believes Hinata can beat Tsunade too :lol damn talk about delusion due to a phase
No. It isn't. You are blatantly denying fact. :lol I already addressed the striked out part.What is implied is that more than just her fists and fingers are enhanced since she is capable of lifting Gamabunta's sword. All this other stuff you are going on about with Raiton Armor and Sage Mode are irrelevant. Ay and Fukasaku not being able to replicate Tsunade and Sakura's feats are irrelevant. Throwing Gamabunta doesn't put Fukasaku on par with Tsunade or Sakura. What kind of logic is that? Two people being able to do the same thing doesn't make them equal as there is nothing showing that what either person did is the peak of their strength, and it's not considering Rusty Tsunade is capable of handling, not just lifting, but handling, Gamabunta's blade with ABSURD EASE, and Ay has no physical feat of any measure that'd put him on Tsunade's level so there is no issue there.
I'm also not going to take that spoiler seriously, because it's already a fact that Tsunade's outrageous strength comes from chakra, not raw physical power. I'm going to need you to start using common sense and realize that some things are implied and not outright stated. And BLAZE's post alone ends all this anyway.
Fact: Tsunade's lifting strength comes from CES.
Fact: Her natural strength has not a thing to do with it.
Fact: Sakura uses the same tech thus gets the same benefits and has displayed power on Tsunade's level.
Like bro, come on. Your argument is based on cherry picking and pointing out the lack of certain words in DB entries when the Manga has already shown us what you are questioning is true or not.
I'm not cherry picking though. Just trying to understand a statement based on what we've seen in the manga, newer info and logic. Which is basically what this section is about right? If we were to take everything Kishi has said through his characters and in his Db's at face value, then Air palm would be more than what we think it is and Neji at the age of 12 was > than the whole Hyuga clan with the exception of Hiashi.
I am not denying the statement in Db2 with regards to the sword.. but i am questioning the logic behind it. When it comes to lifting, it doesn't make much sense as to how only enhancing the fists would let one perform such a feat. You say there are lack of certain words.. but its incredible to think such an important factor would be left out of its description or replaced by intentionally pointing out fists and fingers. The newer info in the Db3 entry for Sakura not only says it isn't superhuman strength, it also adds that the developed chakra is concentrated in its entirety in the fists.
Jirobo who is also a 5 in the strength dept and doesn't use this ces did
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. And like you've pointed out, it doesn't mean lifting that is the limit of his strength. In a manga where a prelims Lee is casually uprooting the roots of trees with bare hands and a brooding Sasuke in base can throw both Jirobo and Kidomaru at the same time [
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This was addressed nor does the comparison even make sense. A small chasm is not comparable to two wide craters. Come on now man.
I don't get this part. Why can't they be comparable when according to you and blaze, it utilizes the CES like the other two but when it comes to destructive output it pales in comparison to them which makes no sense because the other two cases are instances where they were holding back?
Man.... She blatantly states what she inherited and it was the Will of Fire. Not anything else. He called her weak, she said physical strength isn't everything and that what she inherited was the Will of Fire. No Senju has shown immense strength anyway so idk why you are trying to push this point.
"My true power lies in something passed down the line
Something=1 thing. Not 2 things. Something=Will of Fire.
Fine. But Tsunade did inherit physical strength though as the Db states Senju inherit strong bodies. Except strong bodies doesn't equate to better physical capabilities?
But those aren't speed feats. The bold is irrelevant. Those are two different versions of Sakura. What she used against the Juubi is more because she had more available.
This seems incorrect. The chakra needed to wreck someone cannot be the same as one that will result in creating shockwaves strong enough to destroy the ground extensively for it to be a factor in a fight.
He said he used the scalpel to disable her outrageous strength. It's somewhere in that chapter. I can't be asked to go find it right now, but this should be pretty obvious considering she hit him and he didn't die.
We see Tsunade's punch was already weakened before Kabuto touched her though..[
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No, it was a thing even back then. DB 2 was released before Part 1 ended. DB 2 is where it is stated that Tsunade's strength comes from chakra and not raw bodily power. CES enhances physical strength, it doesn't change the fact that muscle power is the basis of all strength, so if Tsunade's muscles are damaged then her hits will be weaker.
Chakra can release chakra from any point in her body, if Hinata tries to touch her forehead ( which is a sacred place) she will release CES and pulverize Hinata. CES isn't actually chakra the chakra is turned into force, so Hinata will relive her deva path battle.
I'm not cherry picking though. Just trying to understand a statement based on what we've seen in the manga, newer info and logic. Which is basically what this section is about right? If we were to take everything Kishi has said through his characters and in his Db's at face value, then Air palm would be more than what we think it is and Neji at the age of 12 was > than the whole Hyuga clan with the exception of Hiashi.
Except the bold was never ever stated and/or shown. If you are going to give reasons for why you are ignoring what the DB has said, then you better have good ones. What is continually stated is that Neji has more potential than every member of the clan. What is also stated about Air Palm has nothing to do with internal damage. That's Hyuga fans twisting the meanings of the words in the entry to their favor.
It's clear cut what the DB is saying about Tsunade's strength. So I'm going to need you to stop making these excuses now.
I am not denying the statement in Db2 with regards to the sword.. but i am questioning the logic behind it. When it comes to lifting, it doesn't make much sense as to how only enhancing the fists would let one perform such a feat. You say there are lack of certain words.. but its incredible to think such an important factor would be left out of its description or replaced by intentionally pointing out fists and fingers. The newer info in the Db3 entry for Sakura not only says it isn't superhuman strength, it also adds that the developed chakra is concentrated in its entirety in the fists.
I don't care about Sakura's entry. Sakura's entry doesn't disprove anything stated here. Okasho is a tech where Sakura punches something. That is an application of CES just how Tsuten Kyaku is a specific move Tsunade uses with CES. By your logic Tsunade wouldn't be able to lift or punch because Tsuten Kyaku's entry says she focuses her power into her heel.
-DB states that Tsunade's outrageous strength comes from chakra.
-Manga and DB state and show that Sakura learnt this ability from Tsunade.
-Thus your argument has no legs to stand on. Cherry picking and logical fallacy after fallacy doesn't help you.
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So you can cut the crap now.
Jirobo who is also a 5 in the strength dept and doesn't use this ces did
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. And like you've pointed out, it doesn't mean lifting that is the limit of his strength. In a manga where a prelims Lee is casually uprooting the roots of trees with bare hands and a brooding Sasuke in base can throw both Jirobo and Kidomaru at the same time [
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I don't really care whether or not you think Tsunade's natural strength is enough to lift Bunta's blade because the databook has already stated why she was able to do it, and it's because of chakra. That and your comparison is terrible. Jirobo being able to lift a giant rock and Lee being able to lift a tree means that Tsunade can casually swing a Bijuu sized blade around? Dude, just stop it. You're trying way too hard at this point.
I don't get this part. Why can't they be comparable when according to you and blaze, it utilizes the CES like the other two but when it comes to destructive output it pales in comparison to them which makes no sense because the other two cases are instances where they were holding back?
Because two wide craters are far larger than a small chasm. That is why they are not comparable. There is nothing to discuss here if you'd stop trying to find reasons to argue instead of accepting that you are wrong when you are shown such.
Fine. But Tsunade did inherit physical strength though as the Db states Senju inherit strong bodies. Except strong bodies doesn't equate to better physical capabilities?
Uh, no. The Senju inherited strong physical energy. That's vitality and stamina. Nothing to do with their physical strength. Base Naruto and Base Sasuke at the end of the Manga are matched in physical strength and Naruto has never shown above average physical strength without enhancements yet he's apart of the Senju line. Tobirama hasn't shown immense physical strength either. Nagato has not either. I could go on if you want but I think you get the picture.
This seems incorrect. The chakra needed to wreck someone cannot be the same as one that will result in creating shockwaves strong enough to destroy the ground extensively for it to be a factor in a fight.
Go read that again and then respond because this rebuttal makes no sense. I never once said the amount of chakra in both strikes was the same. I don't even know why you brought up Beginning of Shippuden Sakura in the first place.
We see Tsunade's punch was already weakened before Kabuto touched her though..[
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Not really. She still demolished the part of the ground she hit. It just wasn't as powerful as it is in Part 2. The rest is you doing what you do best and trying to create an argument out of something that has already been confirmed.
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1. He disables her strength.
2. She hits him.
3. He's fine.
Except the bold was never ever stated and/or shown. If you are going to give reasons for why you are ignoring what the DB has said, then you better have good ones. What is continually stated is that Neji has more potential than every member of the clan. What is also stated about Air Palm has nothing to do with internal damage. That's Hyuga fans twisting the meanings of the words in the entry to their favor.
It's clear cut what the DB is saying about Tsunade's strength. So I'm going to need you to stop making these excuses now.
Makes sense since it seems you haven't come across some of the posts in the NDS... You know what Kishi meant with the Neji statement and i do also but some others literally post
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as a way of supporting CE Neji is > than the entirety of the Hyuga clan except Hiashi and to be fair, taken at face value that is exactly what the statement means.
As for Air palm, you can't fault them also.. Gentle fist which is mentioned in its description suggests internal damage and the word 'thrusts' being used doesn't help matters but according to Neosmith who i once argued this with, the actual usage on Kisame doesn't suggest this is the case.
So, it isn't exactly clear cut based on the mechanics of strength needed for lifting. That description intentionally mentions fists/fingers for destruction feats not strength feats.. And the Naruto wiki possibly responsible for this CES of a thing actually still attribute the lifting of that Tanto to Tsunade's natural strength last i checked which makes sense because the destruction ability Sakura learned from Tsunade doesn't grant superhuman strength.
I don't care about Sakura's entry. Sakura's entry doesn't disprove anything stated here. Okasho is a tech where Sakura punches something. That is an application of CES just how Tsuten Kyaku is a specific move Tsunade uses with CES. By your logic Tsunade wouldn't be able to lift or punch because Tsuten Kyaku's entry says she focuses her power into her heel.
-DB states that Tsunade's outrageous strength comes from chakra.
-Manga and DB state and show that Sakura learnt this ability from Tsunade.
-Thus your argument has no legs to stand on. Cherry picking and logical fallacy after fallacy doesn't help you.
But Sakura's entry indirectly states it isn't superhuman strength. Yes it is a tech where she punches something which is exactly what Tsunade's entry points out. But it isn't an application of CES... Her entry clearly states its an adaptation of medical ninjutsu and chakra enhancement of strength isn't a medical technique because db1 generalizes it as an all shinobi ability...
As for the scan, the outline of Zetsu's right arm is visible all the way to his back. That plus his hair extending from under that arm suggest the point of impact was probably at the base of the neck extending along the length of his shoulders. If that was caused by her elbow, then her fist should be positioned somewhere in the middle of Neji's back considering that arm was slanted. If you also try to picture Zetsu's head position starting from where his hair is visible, then the elbow can only connect with empty space considering Zetsu-Neji's or anyone's head is not that wide.
Because two wide craters are far larger than a small chasm. That is why they are not comparable. There is nothing to discuss here if you'd stop trying to find reasons to argue instead of accepting that you are wrong when you are shown such.
- Chakra from a single finger connecting with the ground splits the earth in two wide enough for a kid to fall in.. no intent to kill.
- Chakra from a fist attack of a user possibly without access to her full reserves destroys the landscape.. no intent to kill.
- Supposed chakra concentrated in a users heels connects with the ground and only creates moderate fissures... clear intent to kill.
Something obviously makes the third different to the other two as it clearly appears to be weaker than them in damage output. And i'm comparing them because they supposedly use the same tech.
Uh, no. The Senju inherited strong physical energy. That's vitality and stamina. Nothing to do with their physical strength. Base Naruto and Base Sasuke at the end of the Manga are matched in physical strength and Naruto has never shown above average physical strength without enhancements yet he's apart of the Senju line. Tobirama hasn't shown immense physical strength either. Nagato has not either. I could go on if you want but I think you get the picture.
Top Secret File #7: A “chain of hatred” that begins with the Father of Shinobi!
The Sage of Six Paths spent his days spreading the word of Shinobi Sect in an attempt to bring peace to the world, but ultimately he approached his death with without realizing his goal and the remaining work was left to his sons. Possessing the eyes of the sage, the elder son sought a peace by way of power, whereas the younger son, inheriting the body of the sage, sought a peace by way of love. Of the two, the sage chose the younger as his successor, and the older son, finding the decision unacceptable, chose to fight his brother!! Time passed and the battle continued with the elder son’s descendants as the Uchiha and the younger son’s as the Senju!! The battle between Madara and Hashirama was indeed inevitable. What now will happen between Naruto and Sasuke…?
Naruto suppressed his feelings for vengeance and chose a path of peace!!
Future destiny was sewn as the Sage of Six Paths chose his successor.
The Senju Clan inherited strong bodies, pulsing with life!!
The Uchiha Clan inherited intense chakra and powerful eyes!!
Now that he has obtained the Mangekyo Sharingan, will Sasuke tread the same path as Madara!?
The Uzumaki are said to possess tenacious life force unlike the Senju who are stated to have strong bodies. But then again, this might be me trying to force a point as i myself am still iffy on what the term 'strong body' entails.
Go read that again and then respond because this rebuttal makes no sense. I never once said the amount of chakra in both strikes was the same. I don't even know why you brought up Beginning of Shippuden Sakura in the first place.
But you said the byakugan wouldn't be able to tell the differing quantities of chakra between her attacks? The chakra she would use to hit a human =/= chakra that would create shockwaves strong enough to factor in a fight when she hits the ground. Its similar to how Neji would have definitely increased the amount of the chakra he would have needed to destroy that giant spider summon.
Not really. She still demolished the part of the ground she hit. It just wasn't as powerful as it is in Part 2. The rest is you doing what you do best and trying to create an argument out of something that has already been confirmed.
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1. He disables her strength.
2. She hits him.
3. He's fine.
Yes the bold happened but that's a feat even Lee can accomplish and he doesn't use CES. Not to mention the obvious difference as that punch was inside a crater that would have been created by the chakra enhanced punch. She hit him with a shoulder barge, he's fine. He tells her he disabled her strength but she later connects cleanly with enough force to destroy where he stood.
Lol... I like the Hyuga...probably obvious.. but i know where their limitations lie. That is why i am never present or post when it comes to Hyuga vs powerhouses but only post when it comes to taijutsu only matchups where i think they can probably win.
I have attended martial arts classes and one of the trainers (a female) who was teaching the ladies self defense made a remark that the strength of their attacker would only matter if they (the females) attempted to block. They emphasize on remaining calm to be able to read their attackers patterns so they can parry them because they(ladies) wouldn't be using their force to oppose but rather help that attack on its way causing the attacker to overextend and leaving them open for counters in krav maga iirc. One needs to be there or maybe watch videos to see how interesting and fluid the illustrations are :lol
Yeah, i know Naruto isn't real life but Kishi kinda illustrated/praised the efficiency of the Gf h2h style when Kidomaru who could have had the advantage over Neji in both strength, speed and having more than two hands by unleashing his curse mark opted to run from taijutsu confrontation. Neji who is also stronger and faster than Hinata was tagged without much resistance when she slapped his hand and swiftly moved over to his left side. [
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You and probably others are reading this last part like "tf is this dude saying" XD but yeah i just wanted you to see where i'm coming from and why i keep heaping praising on the h2h style.
Its tedious at this point though lol and you probably disagree with everything i've said here. I won't be responding after this and if you choose not to respond to this post, i would actually like to know your honest response on the Sakura elbow part.
Wow. Not only are you ignoring the DB that states what CES does, not only are you ignoring the fact that Okasho is just a specific move, but now you are making ridiculous excuses for why Sakura punched Zetsu-Neji and didn't elbow him even though the scan literally shows her elbowing him. That among the other nonsensical claims and denial of visual evidence in this post.
Someone remind me of this post if I ever make the mistake of engaging in discussion with you again.
That and her fist is literally hovering in the fucking air while the impact mark originates from her covered elbow. That and the anime shows the same exact shit. Lmfao I hate fanboys so much man.
That and her fist is literally hovering in the fucking air while the impact mark originates from her covered elbow. That and the anime shows the same exact shit. Lmfao I hate fanboys so much man.
most like since hinata's best feats are featless TLF and a jutsu that CE Neji used so discrediting sakura's feats is only way to project hinata as winner.Hinata is completely outmached in ninjutsu;genjutsu;strength;speed;intelligence; and whatever limited feat of reflex they have shown.
hinata's only advantage are taijutsu and Byakugan and the fact sakura's indirect punch can decimate house is enough to negate that advantage thus all we see his discrediting sakura's feat and massive wanking of byakugan or hyuga's
most like since hinata's best feats are featless TLF and a jutsu that CE Neji used so discrediting sakura's feats is only way to project hinata as winner.Hinata is completely outmached in ninjutsu;genjutsu;strength;speed;intelligence; and whatever limited feat of reflex they have shown.
hinata's only advantage are taijutsu and Byakugan and the fact sakura's indirect punch can decimate house is enough to negate that advantage thus all we see his discrediting sakura's feat and massive wanking of byakugan or hyuga's
Lmao amen to that. Manga Hinata's feats are as lackluster as they come. The Last is a lot better but then Sakura's also has better feats that render Hinata's progress useless in their fight when it comes to determining the winner.
But this guy.... :lol First, Tsunade doesn't use CES, that's all her natural power. Then Sakura doesn't use it, she can only punch. Then Tsunade inherited physical strength from Hashirama lol) and of course can't forget PTS Hinata parrying Neji=Hinata parrying someone who can destroy a Susanoo with one or two hits. Imagine being that desperate to prove your favorite wins a match.
Lmao amen to that. Manga Hinata's feats are as lackluster as they come. The Last is a lot better but then Sakura's also has better feats that render Hinata's progress useless in their fight when it comes to determining the winner.
But this guy.... :lol First, Tsunade doesn't use CES, that's all her natural power. Then Sakura doesn't use it, she can only punch. Then Tsunade inherited physical strength from Hashirama lol) and of course can't forget PTS Hinata parrying Neji=Hinata parrying someone who can destroy a Susanoo with one or two hits. Imagine being that desperate to prove your favorite wins a match.
yeah dunno why he keep stressing on it since DB says Tsunade uses chakra based strength punches;with fingers;kicks or in lifting.
Its pretty obvious sakura got her chakra based strength from tsunade.There is no other way for her to learn its a medical ninjutsu based technique all which she learnt from tsunade
also it would be stupid to say tsunade wont used chakra based strength to kick a ribcage susanoo and still be able to break it considering no one will argue Lee;gai or Kidomaru would be able to do the same.
and the fact both people agreeing with his post are trolls who have said stuffs like hiashi beating madara is enough to point him he is going in wrong direction
Lmao amen to that. Manga Hinata's feats are as lackluster as they come. The Last is a lot better but then Sakura's also has better feats that render Hinata's progress useless in their fight when it comes to determining the winner.
But this guy.... :lol First, Tsunade doesn't use CES, that's all her natural power. Then Sakura doesn't use it, she can only punch. Then Tsunade inherited physical strength from Hashirama lol) and of course can't forget PTS Hinata parrying Neji=Hinata parrying someone who can destroy a Susanoo with one or two hits. Imagine being that desperate to prove your favorite wins a match.
What post manga feats do they even have? I haven't touched upon post manga content but I'd like to hear from you because the alternative posters who talk about post manga content are not trustworthy.
What post manga feats do they even have? I haven't touched upon post manga content but I'd like to hear from you because the alternative posters who talk about post manga content are not trustworthy.
-Hinata momentarily held off a few of the puppets that Hiashi had trouble with, without using Byakugan, and she's stated to be a master of the Gentle Fist as an Adult so she should have access to techs like Rotation.
-Sakura's punches create shockwaves through the air instead of just through the ground.
-Hinata momentarily held off a few of the puppets that Hiashi had trouble with, without using Byakugan, and she's stated to be a master of the Gentle Fist as an Adult so she should have access to techs like Rotation.
-Sakura's punches create shockwaves through the air instead of just through the ground.
Nope. Initially I thought that's what this would mean until I revisited clips of the movie. The puppets attacked Hinata with nothing but hand to hand. Hiashi and his group were swarmed by a larger number and they were using energy projectiles, and Hiashi ended up having a cave brought down on him so him and Hinata's encounters aren't even comparable tbh, that and apparently his Byakugan wasn't active either.
That and Hinata isn't going from mediocre to above Hiashi in Taijutsu in just 2 years. So her feat really just amounts to doing what Base Naruto did, but not as good since Naruto was fighting more of them and took down more of them.
lol) and of course can't forget PTS Hinata parrying Neji=Hinata parrying someone who can destroy a Susanoo with one or two hits. Imagine being that desperate to prove your favorite wins a match.
