[VS] Sakura vs Hinata.

[Megax Rocker7]

How does this correlate to Hinata though? Like, in any way?

Means that she can punch Hinata's lights out regardless of what Hinata does.

Sakura got knocked out by a bridge. Air Palm to her forehead knocks her out the same way.

You do realize Sakura can just stomp the floor and generate a shockwave that would knock out 10 Hinatas before they could even say "hakke" right?.:elmo:

That and the fact you're comparing an early version of Sakura who was constantly storing chakra to a far more powerful version who doesn't share said burden is a joke in itself.

Air palm isn't even cqc, and is too predictable and takes more time than Sakura needs to just Punch Hinata's lights out in cqc

And that's not counting Sakura's ninja tools, her sleep gas and poison kunai.:lol

Yeah, agree. But this still doesn't correlate to how she beats Hinata.

You should know now.

But doesn't Sakura's fists need to actually make contact before the effect of her punch comes into play? Hyuga taijutsu involves causing damage by channeling chakra through palm contact... which would mean avoiding direct contact with the palm/fist is something all hyuga should be capable of in close combat just as we could see in p1 where both Hinata and Neji kept parrying each others palms avoiding direct contact.

The only difference here is Sakura isn't a proficient hand to hand combatant with her linear moves and if she gets the points in her hands closed while byakugou is active, doesn't that spell doom for her?

Except that blocking a punch that can break boulders isn't the same parrying attacks with no force behind them such as Neji's gentle fist, Hinata can attack Sakura all she wants, it only takes that one punch and its over for Hinata.

Plus Sakura is cabable of blitzing the same juubi clones that Hinata was struggling to take down one of, which proves how fast Sakura is compared to Hinata.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Wait Jinrou, you're trying to tell me Hinata can GET CLOSE to Sakura, who will stand still and wait 5 minutes until her chakra points are closed?

 

[Jinrou]

Wait Jinrou, you're trying to tell me Hinata can GET CLOSE to Sakura, who will stand still and wait 5 minutes until her chakra points are closed?

You could quote me you know.. but no? I mean they will be trading hands since this is cqc right? And if you're referring to 64 palms, it isn't needed. Only the points in her hands need to be closed since she has no ninjutsu?

Basically Neji vs Hinata again where Neji only closed the points in her hands because that was the only way she could inflict damage.

 

[King Of Pop]

Sakura's taijutsu feats are no where on par with Hinata's, they're way below, assuming they even exist.

What feats?? Hinata has not shown any agility feat that would allow her completely outmaneuver sakura in close range and then strike her without the latter able to do anything about it. don't show me feats of her striking fast because that has nothing to do with whether she would prevail considering stuff like body speed, reactions are also factors. Her getting toyed with by neji is not any feat worth mentioning so i don't know what that clown is doing there by posting that scan

 

[Made in Heaven]

Means that she can punch Hinata's lights out regardless of what Hinata does.

How's she punching Hinata with her inferior taijutsu, reflexes, and lack of CES?

You do realize Sakura can just stomp the floor and generate a shockwave that would knock out 10 Hinatas before they could even say "hakke" right?.:elmo:

Scan of this non-existent feat? The best a grounded Sakura did with her CES without jumping is this

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Hinata can jump 80+ m, as shown multiple times in the manga. That's even that I follow your logic and assume Sakura can pull that off without Hinata's faster arm speed, better reflexes, and precognition intercepting her and knocking her out before she can even act.

That and the fact you're comparing an early version of Sakura who was constantly storing chakra to a far more powerful version who doesn't share said burden is a joke in itself.

Any proof that storing chakra hinders one's ability to tank blunt force? No you don't, so sit down.

Air palm isn't even cqc

It's called taijutsu

and is too predictable

Yet Obito controlling the Juubi couldn't predict Hinata's Air Palm

Not to mention it is invisible, so Sakura can't see it, and it has wide AOE

and takes more time than Sakura needs to just Punch Hinata's lights out in cqc

Sakura cant stretch her arm WTF scenario is even playing in your head right now FOR REAL??? Air Palm is some 5-7 m in distance, Hinata doesn't need to get near Sakura to knock her out cold.

And that's not counting Sakura's ninja tools, her sleep gas and poison kunai.

Sleep gas is repelled by Air Palm, Kunai either requires her to throw from distance or do it in CQC, in first case it again get repelled just like how Hinata repelled Wooden Spike that Sakura failed to dodge with her amazing evasion, and she isn't touching Hinata in CQC. Unless you can give me taijutsu feats for Sakura.

 

[TheEvilOne]

You could quote me you know.. but no? I mean they will be trading hands since this is cqc right? And if you're referring to 64 palms, it isn't needed. Only the points in her hands need to be closed since she has no ninjutsu?

Basically Neji vs Hinata again where Neji only closed the points in her hands because that was the only way she could inflict damage.

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Really? I know Hinata is not the brightest tool in the shed, but even she wouldn't risk getting anywhere near Sakura, unless she has a deathwish. Sakura would either punch her right off the bat, or grab her arm and rip it off. She's far faster with a far better reaction speed.

Don't bring the Neji vs Hinata here because that fight was completely different. Their fighting style was the same, Sakura's is entirely different.

 

[Made in Heaven]

What feats?? Hinata has not shown any agility feat that would allow her completely outmaneuver sakura in close range

64 Palms > Sakura's barely present taijutsu.

Hinata's reflexes w/o Byakugan > Sakura's as shown in 614.

Byakugan Hinata > Hinata in reflexes.

In the last, without Byakugan, she outmaneuvered multiple Rikudo/Nature energy-powered combat puppets that blitzed Hiashi. Couple that with Sakura's non-existent taijutsu, and yeah, Hinata is easily avoided any punch Sakura throws at her.

don't show me feats of her striking fast because that has nothing to do with whether she would prevail considering stuff like body speed, reactions are also factors.

Body speed and reactions are all incorporated into 64 Palms wtf :lol It's not as simple as striking fast as if it's just random like you're trying to make it sound

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Notice what Kakashi says. REGARDLESS of having penetrative vision, to be able to hit the Chakra Points in the heat of battle against non-static opponents is something this man finds amazing, again, even ignoring the ability to see the points. And this is Kakashi simply speaking of the Gentle Fist itself, not even the 64 Palms, a combo attack that pushes the Gentle Fist to its limit.

With 64 Palms, Hinata needs to react, aim, and move her body and arms fast enough to align the tiny chakra points at the edge of her fingers which are as small as the tip of a needle with the various equally tiny chakra points on an opponents body 64 times, all while maneuvering around in the heat of battle in a manner and speed so as to prevent her opponent from escaping her combo attack.

64 Palms is essentially a one-hit attack. Once the first strike hits, the other 63 are guaranteed, that’s why it’s such a difficult Taijutsu technique to master in the first place and why it’s placed even above Rotation in it’s difficulty, as Tenten notes 64 Palms is the true testament to Neji’s power, even after Neji displayed Rotation.

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Even Hinata’s split second blunder wasn’t enough to allow the Mini Juubi time to escape the 64 Palms. That’s because it’s a combo attack; it’s meant to leave no room for an opening or opportunity for the enemy to fight back. And yes, if the opponent is fast and skilled enough, they can escape it, but after everything regarding reflexes, taijutsu, and striking speed I’ve said above, there’s no way any sane person can argue Sakura’s skills are good enough to do such a thing.

Her getting toyed with by neji is not any feat worth mentioning so i don't know what that clown is doing there by posting that scan

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It does though, somewhat, as Hinata managed to find an opening in Neji's taijutsu and managed to properly strike him.

If Hinata was able to find an opening and take advantage of it against:

>A far superior Taijutsu opponent

>Who has a Dojutsu that grants precognition

>Who has better reflexes than her in base

>Who uses an actual martial arts style

Hinata most definitely will be able to overwhelm and counter:

>A far inferior Taijutsu opponent

>Who has no visual enhancements

>Who has inferior reflexes than her even in base

>Who has no style to her CQC

 

[Jinrou]

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Really? I know Hinata is not the brightest tool in the shed, but even she wouldn't risk getting anywhere near Sakura, unless she has a deathwish. Sakura would either punch her right off the bat, or grab her arm and rip it off. She's far faster with a far better reaction speed.

Don't bring the Neji vs Hinata here because that fight was completely different. Their fighting style was the same, Sakura's is entirely different.

Sakura is just going to punch her right off the bat without Hinata parrying or dodging? Yes.. Sakura is fast but i really don't know how that factors into cqc where Sakura up until Madara has always been shown to charge in with a straight fist? And she isn't ripping anyone's arms off... she doesn't have the physical strength to do that or did she show any extraordinary strength feats in the entire manga you think i possibly missed?

 

[KidGamer65]

Sakura is faster (in ALL forms of speed) in base let alone in Byakugo Mode. Hinata's Taijutsu score isn't that much higher than Sakura's even though all Gentle Fist techs are considered to be Taijutsu and Hinata's CQC feats are barely existent, with the ones she does have being extremely lackluster considering all this guy could do was post a scan of Pt 1 Hinata in a fight where she got ass raped.

But somehow Hinata automatically stomps in CQC "cuz she's a Hyuga". Lmao let me show you a comprehensive list of Hinata's CQC and speed feats from Chapter 1 to Boruto:

PT 1:

-Getting her ass beat by Neji. Managing to hit him only once.
-No noteworthy speed feats.

PT 2:

-Getting her ass beat by Pain.
-Beating Zetsu clones.
-Beating a Juubi clone while Sakura beat several with a single hit.
-No noteworthy speed feats.


The Last:

-Momentarily taking on Toneri's puppets, except Sakura was shown fodderizing the same puppets so this doesn't really help her in this fight.
-No noteworthy speed feats outside of the above.

If this is Manga Sakura vs. Manga Hinata, Sakura one shots her. If it's post Manga Sakura vs. post Manga Hinata,

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and Hinata dies. Someone who isn't Lady Byakugan, Hakke, Tauren Chieftan or JVenomStar better post a scan that shows Hinata's CQC capabilities are enough to either land 64 palms without dying, or enough to do what Neji did to her in Part 1. I'll wait. Idk why you people think that being a Hyuga gives you some sort of special Taijutsu capability where you can defeat anyone no matter their physical advantages, but we value tangible feats on this side. :lol

Adult Sakura>>Manga Sakura>Adult Hinata (Manga Sakura vs Adult Hinata is debatable though)>>>>Every other version of Hinata.

 

[Made in Heaven]

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Really? I know Hinata is not the brightest tool in the shed, but even she wouldn't risk getting anywhere near Sakura, unless she has a deathwish. Sakura would either punch her right off the bat

Taijutsu feat of Sakura's that surpasses Hinata's?

or grab her arm and rip it off.

Scan of her ever doing this?

She's far faster with a far better reaction speed.

She's faster, but Hinata's reaction speed is better, as shown in 614 direct comparison. Add her reflexes with using 64 Palms and in The Last, and even more so.

Don't bring the Neji vs Hinata here because that fight was completely different. Their fighting style was the same, Sakura's is entirely different.

A martial artists overwhelming another martial artists is harder than a martial artists overwhelming a noob off the street.

 

[Jinrou]

Sakura is faster (in ALL forms of speed) in base let alone in Byakugo Mode. Hinata's Taijutsu score isn't that much higher than Sakura's even though all Gentle Fist techs are considered to be Taijutsu and Hinata's CQC feats are barely existent, with the ones she does have being extremely lackluster considering all this guy could do was post a scan of Pt 1 Hinata in a fight where she got ass raped.

But somehow Hinata automatically stomps in CQC "cuz she's a Hyuga". Lmao let me show you a comprehensive list of Hinata's CQC and speed feats from Chapter 1 to Boruto:

PT 1:

-Getting her ass beat by Neji. Managing to hit him only once.
-No noteworthy speed feats.

PT 2:

-Getting her ass beat by Pain.
-Beating Zetsu clones.
-Beating a Juubi clone while Sakura beat several with a single hit.
-No noteworthy speed feats.


The Last:

-Momentarily taking on Toneri's puppets, except Sakura was shown fodderizing the same puppets so this doesn't really help her in this fight.
-No noteworthy speed feats outside of the above.

If this is Manga Sakura vs. Manga Hinata, Sakura one shots her. If it's post Manga Sakura vs. post Manga Hinata,

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and Hinata dies. Someone who isn't Lady Byakugan, Hakke, Tauren Chieftan or JVenomStar better post a scan that shows Hinata's CQC capabilities are enough to either land 64 palms without dying, or enough to do what Neji did to her in Part 1. I'll wait. Idk why you people think that being a Hyuga gives you some sort of special Taijutsu capability where you can defeat anyone no matter their physical advantages, but we value tangible feats on this side. :lol

Adult Sakura>>Manga Sakura>Adult Hinata (Manga Sakura vs Adult Hinata is debatable though)>>>>Every other version of Hinata.

What physical advantages though? Are you referring to normal movement speed? If yes, how does that factor in a cqc matchup where there are cases of characters defeating others faster than they are?

 

[KidGamer65]

What physical advantages though? Are you referring to normal movement speed? If yes, how does that factor in a cqc matchup where there are cases of characters defeating others faster than they are?

-Reflexes/Reaction speed
-General movement speed.
-Physical strength, obviously.

You aren't even answering my questions. This is already a sign of there being no real evidence for Hinata doing anything anyone is claiming is possible. Other characters being other characters who are faster than them has nothing to do with Sakura vs. Hinata.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Sakura is faster (in ALL forms of speed) in base let alone in Byakugo Mode.

Byakugo Mode increases speed since when? Databook says power and nothing more.

Hinata's Taijutsu score isn't that much higher than Sakura's even though all Gentle Fist techs are considered to be Taijutsu and

I thought databook scores are BS? Or you only consider them valid when you feel like it?

Hinata's CQC feats are barely existent

More existent than Sakura's though.

with the ones she does have being extremely lackluster

Again, still better than Sakura's.

But somehow Hinata automatically stomps in CQC "cuz she's a Hyuga".

Yeah, because she's called a Gentle Fist Master and has displayed far better feats than Sakura in taijutsu.

-Getting her ass beat by Neji. Managing to hit him only once.

Acting like that was a small feat when Neji is above her in skill, reflexes, and speed. It shows she can still best opponents superior to her in taijutsu, now take someone who is inferior to her in taijutsu like Sakura.

-No noteworthy speed feats.

Covered 1KM in a few seconds, but w/e.

-Beating Zetsu clones.

Same Zetsus that gave trouble to Neji and Sakura

-Beating a Juubi clone while Sakura beat several with a single hit.

Still displayed more skill in that one attack than Sakura did with just jumping and falling back down, which, as shown 4 times in the manga, ninjas in the alliance can jump higher than the impact of her punch.

-No noteworthy speed feats.

Coverd Pain's crater in a few seconds.

The Last:

-Momentarily taking on Toneri's puppets, except Sakura was shown fodderizing the same puppets

Combat puppets with the body of adults that can use actual taijutsu maneuvers and blitzed Hiashi is the same as maiden puppets with toddler hands that do nothing but bite their opponent???

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so this doesn't really help her in this fight.

Except Hinata was doing that w/o Byakugan, so even if we use your backwards logic of comparing lmfao god damn child-shaped maiden puppets with no feats beyond opening their mouths with combat puppets that have shown actual taijutsu skills and speed fast enough to blitz Hiashi, it just proves Sakura = Hinata w/o Byakugan.

-No noteworthy speed feats outside of the above.

Still enough for Sakura. She out fought MULTIPLE opponents faster than her w/o Byakugan, add on Byakugan precog and Sakura's linear running pattern, and it'sa win in Hinata's favor, as said by Lee and Sasuke.

Sakura punches the air and Hinata dies.

Hinata's CQC capabilities are enough to either land 64 palms without dying

What a troll :lol

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or enough to do what Neji did to her in Part 1

Closing Chakra points all over the body > Closing Chakra points on the arm.

64 Palms > Normal Gentle Fist.

Idk why you people think that being a Hyuga gives you some sort of special Taijutsu capability where you can defeat anyone no matter their physical advantages,

Her only advantage is speed,which is linear, meaning it's no problem for Hinata who's base reflexes and taijutsu surpass her's even without Byakugan precognition.

but we value tangible feats on this side.

>Claims Sakura can kill Hinata by punching the air
>Talks about tangible feats

>Denies Hinata's Rikudo Chakra power and quanitity
>Talks about tangible feats

>Ignores Sakura being fodderized by blunt force (Bridge/Air Palm)
>Talks about tangible feats

>Compares two different class of puppets
>Talks about tangible feats

>Claims Hinata dies when using 64 Palms
>Talks about tanjible feats

This guy's reaching femme levels of fappery

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[KidGamer65]

Someone who isn't Lady Byakugan, Hakke, Tauren Chieftan or JVenomStar better post a scan that shows Hinata's CQC capabilities are enough to either land 64 palms without dying,

I don't entertain trolls anymore. Sorry "Lady" Fap.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Hinata > Sasori because Hinata > Tenseigan puppets and of course, Kid Gamer's divine wisdom says all puppets are the same :elmo:

 

[KidGamer65]

Hinata's best feat is fighting against puppets, for a very brief period of time, that even Base Naruto was overpowering with his bare hands. No Ninjutsu, no special modes. :lol Taijutsu master right there. Hinata wrecks everyone in close quarters.

-Fight starts.
-Sakura punches the air.
-Hinata gets turned to mush.

 

[Jinrou]

-Reflexes/Reaction speed
-General movement speed.
-Physical strength, obviously.

You aren't even answering my questions. This is already a sign of there being no real evidence for Hinata doing anything anyone is claiming is possible. Other characters being other characters who are faster than them has nothing to do with Sakura vs. Hinata.

Sakura aims to punch then Hinata simply parries said arm and possibly blocks off the points during the parry. Sakura's reflexes/reactions in cqc (which i cannot recollect seeing) wouldn't help much especially since she's such a linear straight punch fighter against a character that can employ multiple complex movements.

- how does general movement speed factor in cqc again except you are couple of tiers above your opponent?

- this physical strength thing is a misconception. Sakura has no notable extraordinary strength feats in the manga to suggest her physical strength will pose much of a problem to anyone she engages.

True..but we are discussing two characters who have no notable cqc feats engaging in cqc..

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[Megax Rocker7]

Oh boy, this is going to be fun.

How's she punching Hinata with her inferior taijutsu, reflexes, and lack of CES?

How's she not punching her, Hinata has zero evasion feats that puts her on a level where Sakura cannot punch her, especially when she's able to blitz the multiable juubi clones Hinata was only able to take on one at a time.

Scan of this non-existent feat? The best a grounded Sakura did with her CES without jumping is this

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That's still good enough to knock Hinata out, it's not like she has any reaction feats that makes her able to move out of the way faster than Sakura can just punch the floor below her, it'll be situation just like this, except there's a follow up that'll end Hinata's life.

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Hinata can jump 80+ m, as shown multiple times in the manga. That's even that I follow your logic and assume Sakura can pull that off without Hinata's faster arm speed, better reflexes, and precognition intercepting her and knocking her out before she can even act.

Underline:How high you can jump does not mean you are fast enough to do so, all genin are able to do this nor does Hinata have feats that showcase her being able to move out of the way faster than Sakura can just punch the ground below her.

Bold: Hinata being able to intercept Sakura is only in the realm of your imagination because:
1-She does not have precog, the Byakugan does not give that ability, wasn't stated ever in the manga so you can stop lying to yourself about it.

2-Hinata isn't faster then Sakura who's fast enough to chase and punch a juubi clone after she already sent it flying with CES, while Hinata has no feats that put on that level.

Any proof that storing chakra hinders one's ability to tank blunt force? No you don't, so sit down.

Anyway proof that Hinata's air palm is even strong enough to knock Sakura out? Thought so.:lol

It's called taijutsu

Yeah, but it's still mid/long range jutsu genius.:elmo:

Yet Obito controlling the Juubi couldn't predict Hinata's Air Palm

1-What he didn't predict is that Hinata's air palm would actually be amplified by the kyuubi's chakra.:lol

2- This isn't the same as cqc.

Not to mention it is invisible, so Sakura can't see it, and it has wide AOE

She doesn't need to see it when she can just blitz Hinata before she could even do it, she blitzed a flying bijuu clone, so she can definitely blitz the stationary hyuuga who scales to said bijuu clone.

And even if it did hit Sakura, the damage is still pathetic, and Sakura would only be knocked back.

Sakura cant stretch her arm WTF scenario is even playing in your head right now FOR REAL??? Air Palm is some 5-7 m in distance, Hinata doesn't need to get near Sakura to knock her out cold.

You were bringing up air palm in cqc, so obviously she can reach her, you can't even keep track of your own argument smh...U_U

Sleep gas is repelled by Air Palm, Kunai either requires her to throw from distance or do it in CQC, in first case it again get repelled just like how Hinata repelled Wooden Spike that Sakura failed to dodge with her amazing evasion, and she isn't touching Hinata in CQC. Unless you can give me taijutsu feats for Sakura.

Sleep gas explodes on Hinata's face, because Hinata can make one air palm at a time and can't block more than one, and she'll be wide open for Sakura to knock her out, Same goes for the poison Kunai.

You see what the main problem here is?

You are constantly asking for feats for Sakura, completely forgetting to bring up ones for Hinata that actually showcase her being what you make her out to be.:lol

It's all simple math really:

Hinata: one juubi clone with full effort

Sakura: tens of juubi clones without breaking a sweat.

Now please, I hope you would stop for a second and let that sink in.

 

[KidGamer65]

Sakura aims to punch then Hinata simply parries said arm and possibly blocks off the points during the parry. Sakura's reflexes/reactions in cqc (which i cannot recollect seeing) wouldn't help much especially since she's such a linear straight punch fighter against a character that can employ multiple complex movements.

- how does general movement speed factor in cqc again except you are couple of tiers above your opponent?

- this physical strength thing is a misconception. Sakura has no notable extraordinary strength feats in the manga to suggest her physical strength will pose much of a problem to anyone she engages.

True..but we are discussing two characters who have no notable cqc feats engaging in cqc..

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@bold: Based on? I want to see where Hinata has ever done anything that would imply she has the physical capability to parry one of Sakura's punches. The logic you are using doesn't even make sense. Because she's a linear puncher her attack gets parried by Hinata who can "empoly complex movements"?

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is only possible if you are fast enough and strong enough. You haven't shown the former, and the latter is definitely false. Hinata isn't blocking or making any physical contact with Sakura's strikes without dying. Base Raikage (3rd and 4th) is also a linear striker are you going to say that she parries his punch too?

What? How does movement speed factor in CQC? That should be pretty obvious. To do anything you have to move. The faster you move, the better. Idk why you are saying that you have to be far faster than your opponent for it to matter because that's obviously false. Taijutsu capability is speed and skill. Them not being shown in CQC doesn't hinder anyone's argument nor does anyone being shown to fight with a traditional style to automatically put them at the top of the pyramid. By this logic, Beginning of Part 1 Neji beats Tsunade because Tsunade's style isn't as complex.

Underlined is obviously false. There is no misconception here. CES enhances strength. Not striking strength. Strength. All strength is enhanced. All of Tsunade's physical feats come from CES, not this natural strength people keep on claiming she has. Blatantly stated in DB 2.

And this isn't taking into account the fact Adult Sakura doesn't need to make contact to strike targets as shown in the gif I posted above, or the fact that ground pounds create shockwaves also capable of killing Hinata. This isn't a hand to hand traditional brawl so idk why people keep acting like it is.

 

[Megax Rocker7]

I'd love to see Hinata try and parry something that that has the force to break boulders behind it, I really do.:lol