Itachi is utter garbage.

[Brady]

You mean being calm and reserved is not a personality? You want him to be either obnoxious like Naruto or an ******* like Sasuke? Part of his character is to be hard to read. His father said that. And most of your complaints are a result of us wondering if his actions were actually good. Which like I said, would be fixed, if he remained evil.

Being calm and reserved isn't his entire personality. Hardly speaking at all just makes a character bland. I can't know everything that he's about and who he is if he never talks and merely does what he thinks is his duty. It leaves his character empty and without personal direction.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

He never did realize what he did was wrong, he merely acknowledged it but didn't act on it.

He calls himself Itachi of the Leaf, incapable of just admitting that everything he did was wrong entirely and realizing that Konoha was actually at fault. He knows it'd be a spit in the face of his family to call himself Itachi of the Uchiha Clan. He lost that privilege when he did something that didn't have to be done. He's clearly a lost child, unable to identify with the people he really loved.

Konoha was wrong, but when you slaughter your entire family for something that used you and threw you aside, convincing you to love it, specifically the place you're born in, it'd be hard to say that that particular entity was evil and all wrong. It'd be a spit in the face to all of your efforts.

He doesn't call himself itachi of the uchiha clan cause he identifies himself with konoha, a bigger and more important "entity" or "clan" then just the uchiha... itachi didn't consider himself just an uchiha, he's first and foremost and konoha shinobi. Furthermore, he does admit that his mistake was trying to shoulder all the responsibility himself and that he would of probably been better off not doing it alone, or letting sasuke convince the clan. He does admit his faults, it's just that by the time he himself realized his mistakes he was dead. That's why he tells sasuke what he does. On top of that once he defeated kabuto it's not like he had any more time to make things right. He did however undo et, which was a great help to the SA during the war. I'm not saying what he did was right, or that all should be forgiven. But he does admit and realize his failures

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Being calm and reserved isn't his entire personality. Hardly speaking at all just makes a character bland. I can't know everything that he's about and who he is if he never talks and merely does what he thinks is his duty. It leaves his character empty and without personal direction.

You're not asking for personality, you're asking for archetypal stereotypes.

 

[Uchihaa Sasuke]

I too don't like Itachi

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

I like his personality when he isn't written as a Gary Stu sage? His humility and sense of humour in the Kabuto battle is a breath of fresh air but holy sh*t Kishi's boyfriend boner ruined his own manga. A moveset of OHKO techniques is not fun to watch and he ruins any battle he is in by pulling out new deus ex machina jutsu to win.

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But his novels are some of the most flawed, wanking and unengaging books i've ever read. NEVER do self-inserts or power fantasies in literature, it's one of the first rules of fiction. Itachi appeals to outcast snobs who consider themselves geniuses. There is ZERO interesting about a character who became prefect and had zero challenge against even the other kids and even the teachers. I was hoping those bullies would beat him up tbh.

I felt like I was reading the fanfic power fantasy of a 14 year old outsider the day before he decided to shoot up his school.​

 

[enditallsin]

I've been saying this..

 

[Avani]

A lot of people love and admire this character but God is he a mistake. I mean come on, Hokage level intelligence at the age of seven? Give me a break. Itachi hadn't had half the brain to attend one Uchiha clan meeting to figure out the specifics of the plan and persuade the clan otherwise, he just let things coast.

Itachi tells Sasuke to kill his best friend for the Mangekyo, endangering the life of some random stranger for the sake of his personal vendetta. If Naruto hadn't been in team 7, whoever chased Sasuke down to the Final Valley would have died from that first chidori.

Itachi talks about how you shouldn't judge people based off of shallow misconceptions and yet he perceives the unruliness of his clan as annoying, fearful, and backwards pride rather than hearing his own clan's discrepancies out. He says and does both of these things in the same day. Congratulations Itachi, way to show virtue.

Itachi constantly flip flops, one minute concerned about peace and stability and the next minute "forgetting" to inform Konoha on the abilities of Akatsuki, causing unnecessary deaths that could have been avoided. He tortures his own little brother mentally, punches him in the gut, slaughters his entire family and extended family but can't bring himself to be angry at a village that segregated his clan and accused them of evils.

Itachi is an idealistic, brainwashed, patriotic, bland, sagely moron with no personality. This dude's entire life was ruined, along with the lives and dreams of his brother and family and still has the nerve to say "I'm still Itachi Uchiha of the leaf." The sheer brainwashing and blind patriotism in that just makes me worry about the people who love Itachi.


PS : If you are a part of a small ethnic group being mistreated by a government, please run a scan over the group to find any Itachi fans. The last thing you need is to be double teamed by that person and his psycho buddy in your sleep.

It's not like Hokages have set up that high standards of intelligence. :|

+ You are accusing him of being brain washed for having different values than you about what's the righteous path. Self Vs greater good.


Morality is subjective and values regarding patriotism change with time and culture. What Uchiha's were trying to pull would have gotten them killed of as a clan in that era in the manga( there have been historic incidents of the kind as well). They wiped out some other clans for less.

Itachi is no sage but he has seen a lot and had his own independent thinking from the start. His family tried to brain wash him but they had no control over him. He didn't trust Danzou. He still wished things worked out for everyone and when he was pressed he chose the path which seemed to him less bloody and the one which gave a chance of survival to the village. Even if Uchiha manged a win somehow, they would have been weakened and there would have been no village for them either.

He showed Sasuke what MS could do and told what it would cost him to achieve and then trusted Sasuke to sort it out how to go about it for himself. With shark guy and akatsuki right behind him he couldn't really be nice about it. It wasn't a great plan and he walks a grey area but he thinks of himself in the least. That, by association, Sasuke ended up bearing the part in it. But Sasuke also got to survive the massacre and achieve a lot more than him with time. Itachi had to rely on Konoha's people and he did try to give them enough reason to empathize with him while hating Itachi himself. So that's that.

Last but not the least, if you want to bash on a character you can always find something to hit with. But if you have a wall to write about it, he must have had some personality and fleshing out as a character.

I like his personality when he isn't written as a Gary Stu sage? His humility and sense of humour in the Kabuto battle is a breath of fresh air but holy sh*t Kishi's boyfriend boner ruined his own manga. A moveset of OHKO techniques is not fun to watch and he ruins any battle he is in by pulling out new deus ex machina jutsu to win.

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[Brady]

You're not asking for personality, you're asking for archetypal stereotypes.

If he's always silent, calm, and never speaking he isn't a proper character. Everyone loses their cool, there's always something that throws them off and reveals more about who they are as a person. If all Itachi is just some mindless, ridiculously talented drone throughout the entire show, then that's a problem. He's become a Gary Stu.

We all thought Sasuke was super aloof and calm until the Chunin Exams when he showed true fear and freaked out for the first time. We thought Sasuke wouldn't lose his cool like Naruto until Itachi showed up. Flaws show more of who a person is, and Itachi has little to none and even then, his flaws aren't ever pointed out and criticized, his flaws themselves are covered up simply because he said "yeah my bad".

 

[Avani]

If he's always silent, calm, and never speaking he isn't a proper character. Everyone loses their cool, there's always something that throws them off and reveals more about who they are as a person. If all Itachi is just some mindless, ridiculously talented drone throughout the entire show, then that's a problem. He's become a Gary Stu.

We all thought Sasuke was super aloof and calm until the Chunin Exams when he showed true fear and freaked out for the first time. We thought Sasuke wouldn't lose his cool like Naruto until Itachi showed up. Flaws show more of who a person is, and Itachi has little to none and even then, his flaws aren't ever pointed out and criticized, his flaws themselves are covered up simply because he said "yeah my bad".

Where is that rule book? Maintaining one's composure in difficult times is one of the qualities of good leaders. Itachi is flawed but you are demanding that he should wear it on his sleeve to convince the reader that he is flawed. That's unnecessary. People should improve their reading skills beyond that.

 

[Brady]

Where is that rule book? Maintaining one's composure in difficult times is one of the qualities of good leaders. Itachi is flawed but you are demanding that he should wear it on his sleeve to convince the reader that he is flawed. That's unnecessary. People should improve their reading skills beyond that.

Never showing an inch of emotion, and always being calm is an issue for a character. People losing their cools show what they're more passionate about, and it shows more of who they are. Speaking as someone good at hiding feelings, someone who only knows me at face value can't say that I'm an interesting or in depth person because I almost never talk and hardly show a reaction to anything.

Itachi is always calm, collected, aloof, super-skilled, super-talented, super-smart, always does what everyone thinks is right, and is unbeatable. This character is broken, it's like a pleasure character or self insert.

I'm not asking Itachi to wear his emotions on his sleeves, but even Sasuke is calm and collected but has moments where he shows selfishness and an interest in something. He's an actual person. Itachi is too bland, he's too perfect.

Itachi's mistakes are still shown as the right thing, the story doesn't even go into why it was wrong, pushing the narrative that yeah they had to wipe out an entire clan of people to stop a world-wide war that had a 99% chance of never happening.

 

[Dannie]

Which is why Madara was always the better man when it came to his clan, Sasuke too. They never betrayed the Uchiha or supported the leaf above their family like Itachi did. So it begs the question why do people support this bizarre idea of patriotism? He chose the village over his own mother whom loved him and killed all those innocents in his own clan all because he didn't want a war to break out, but who is Danzo and the elders to him? He could have easily just killed Danzo, and the elders who were involved in the Coup and spared most of his clan.

And I agree about Sasuke. His way of handling him was really warped and ****ed. Sasuke could have easily gone mad and turned into an evil psychopath(minus the Danzo arc) and starting killing random people. Itachi was trying to handle Sasuke but ended up making things worse for him, all because he wanted to protect the leaf? Nonsense.

But it doesn't matter now. Itachi knew that he failed, so it isn't debatable that his decisions were trash.

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Also, I never hated this character, but I always thought his ideas and decisions were stupid.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Which is why Madara was always the better man when it came to his clan, Sasuke too. They never betrayed the Uchiha or supported the leaf above their family like Itachi did. So it begs the question why do people support this bizarre idea of patriotism? He chose the village over his own mother whom loved him and killed all those innocents in his own clan all because he didn't want a war to break out, but who is Danzo and the elders to him? He could have easily just killed Danzo, and the elders who were involved in the Coup and spared most of his clan.

And I agree about Sasuke. His way of handling him was really warped and ****ed. Sasuke could have easily gone mad and turned into an evil psychopath(minus the Danzo arc) and starting killing random people. Itachi was trying to handle Sasuke but ended up making things worse for him, all because he wanted to protect the leaf? Nonsense.

But it doesn't matter now. Itachi knew that he failed, so it isn't debatable that his decisions were trash.

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Also, I never hated this character, but I always thought his ideas and decisions were stupid.

He is not about 'ideology' but about 'solo'. That's what Itachi in a nutshell.

 

[Avani]

Never showing an inch of emotion, and always being calm is an issue for a character.

Ah he shows them occasionaly if you have an eye to catch it. As a matter of fact it was subtle disconnection of his extreme words and actions that got me curious about the character. Kishimoto is good enough with body language and subtle expressions.

People losing their cools show what they're more passionate about, and it shows more of who they are. Speaking as someone good at hiding feelings, someone who only knows me at face value can't say that I'm an interesting or in depth person because I almost never talk and hardly show a reaction to anything.

Itachi is always calm, collected, aloof, super-skilled, super-talented, super-smart, always does what everyone thinks is right, and is unbeatable. This character is broken, it's like a pleasure character or self insert.

I'm not asking Itachi to wear his emotions on his sleeves, but even Sasuke is calm and collected but has moments where he shows selfishness and an interest in something. He's an actual person. Itachi is too bland, he's too perfect.

Itachi's mistakes are still shown as the right thing, the story doesn't even go into why it was wrong, pushing the narrative that yeah they had to wipe out an entire clan of people to stop a world-wide war that had a 99% chance of never happening.

But the war was already going to happen- civil war is still a war. Uchiha couldn't win without severe losses to themselves too and village would have been destroyed limited to few people from one clan. Others wouldn't trust them any more after that though they may still get missions just like Akatsuki. If Konoha won( and that scenario was not unlikely either) it too would have gotten more causalities and weakened apart from loosing Uchiha clan anway. Sand attacked Konoha. Oro Attacked Konoha. Raikage made attempts to kidnap Uzumaki and Hyuga kids from the village. And you claim that 99% chances were that war wouldn't happen base on what?

What you are saying is completely personal and view regarding the character and your arguments are driven by emotions rather than facts. You also choose to put, the idealistic motivations behind his actions and his convictions, down. I get that his choices will definitely not be your choices or even your ideals and that you find his actions unpalatable, but that's all to it. It doesn't make his character broken because you disagree with his life.

Which is why Madara was always the better man when it came to his clan,

Madaa was a indeed a better man to his clan - kidnaps and brain washes an Uchiha kid to carry out his plan. The kid attacks the village and frames rest of the Uchihas as someone used genjutsu and people suspect them. In turn Uchihas plan a civil war and get wiped out. Madara dumps remaining two survivors from his clan, gauging their eyes out or stabbing them. Yep they couldn't ask for a better man. :|

 

[Dannie]

Madaa was a indeed a better man to his clan - kidnaps and brain washes an Uchiha kid to carry out his plan. The kid attacks the village and frames rest of the Uchihas as someone used genjutsu and people suspect them. In turn Uchihas plan a civil war and get wiped out. Madara dumps remaining two survivors from his clan. Yep they couldn't ask for a better man. :|

Much more heartwhelming than what Itachi did.

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[Michael]

Oh my, time to get my popcorn.

 

[Avani]

Much more heartwhelming than what Itachi did.

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The guy was sitting in a cave plotting against his clan as well as the village for decades. It's not heart-whelming.

 

[Unknnown]

didnt read -

Itachi solos

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

If he's always silent, calm, and never speaking he isn't a proper character. Everyone loses their cool, there's always something that throws them off and reveals more about who they are as a person. If all Itachi is just some mindless, ridiculously talented drone throughout the entire show, then that's a problem. He's become a Gary Stu.

We all thought Sasuke was super aloof and calm until the Chunin Exams when he showed true fear and freaked out for the first time. We thought Sasuke wouldn't lose his cool like Naruto until Itachi showed up. Flaws show more of who a person is, and Itachi has little to none and even then, his flaws aren't ever pointed out and criticized, his flaws themselves are covered up simply because he said "yeah my bad".

I will reply to this later but I will say now that you're oversimplifying his character.

 

[Dannie]

The guy was sitting in a cave plotting against his clan as well as the village for decades. It's not heart-whelming.

You make it seem like Madara was plotting against his clan for no reason. Yes, I know it's not all peaches and cream Jean, but the Uchiha betrayed Madara, which was in response of Konoha's involvement back when the two clans(Senju and Uchiha) despised each other. Madara was angry because his own clan chose a Senju instead of him to be Hokage. He didn't just decide to take revenge on the leaf and Uchiha, he had no choice because everyone betrayed him.

But let's look at Itachi. Everyone in the clan loved him, and admired him, but what does he do. He chooses a village that tries to start a war and threaten his clan instead of siding with a clan full of people who loved him, and just kills all of them easily. Joins the Akatsuki and tortures Sasuke, thinking he will turn out okay, which in the end makes him start doing villainous things against other villages, and almost kills his best friend in the first valley fight because he was hungry for power and went to Orochimaru.

But yes, surely Madara's reasons for wanting to best the Uchiha are more selfish than Itachi's right?

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[Ansatsuken]

You make it seem like Madara was plotting against his clan for no reason. Yes, I know it's not all peaches and cream Jean, but the Uchiha betrayed Madara, which was in response of Konoha's involvement back when the two clans(Senju and Uchiha) despised each other. Madara was angry because his own clan chose a Senju instead of him to be Hokage. He didn't just decide to take revenge on the leaf and Uchiha, he had no choice because everyone betrayed him.

But let's look at Itachi. Everyone in the clan loved him, and admired him, but what does he do. He chooses a village that tries to start a war and threaten his clan instead of siding with a clan full of people who loved him, and just kills all of them easily. Joins the Akatsuki and tortures Sasuke, thinking he will turn out okay, which in the end makes him start doing villainous things against other villages, and almost kills his best friend in the first valley fight because he was hungry for power and went to Orochimaru.

But yes, surely Madara's reasons for wanted to best the Uchiha are more selfish than Itachi's right?

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He just wanted a 'better world', thats all and never planing to eradicate his clan, thats Danzo, Hiruzen's works. His plan is beyond that although when we know the truth, its cruel and dont make sense. :lol