[Discussion] Admiral questions

[chopstickchakra]

Do you think Coby will make it to the rank of Admiral? If so at what point in the story, before Luffy reaches Raftel, during Luffy's time as PK, after Luffy is dead or gone?

What about Helmeppo?

They have a good leader in Garp, I'd guess they'll make it to VA but idk if they can make that jump. If either of them could/do do you think they would do so with a fruit as the Admirals we've seen prior or follow Garp's footsteps and reach it with no fruit, as we know Garp was able to reach Admiral status without a fruit but that doesn't mean his students could too necessarily.

 

[AllKnowingShinobi]

helmeppo ...hahahha

coby.... yes but he probably wouldn't take the position like garp if he really wanted to follow into garps footstep.

or if the plot deems it appropriate(admirals aren't dogs/dicks anymore).

i see him becoming a hero(or taking credit for it) for the navy someone but really it was luffy who saved the day...

 

[Passerby]

It will be an asspull if Coby becomes an Admiral. He is utter fodder. Usopp with prep would neg him lmao

There are people saying Smoker will become Admiral but even that is far fetched.

Only way Coby becomes Admiral is if he eats a powerful DF.

 

[Love Cook]

It will be an asspull if Coby becomes an Admiral. He is utter fodder. Usopp with prep would neg him lmao

There are people saying Smoker will become Admiral but even that is far fetched.

Only way Coby becomes Admiral is if he eats a powerful DF.

You don't know what you're saying. He is being personally trained by Garp and has already mastered Rokushiki and haki within 2 years. That shows a bigger growth potential than someone like Lucci and most of the Strawhats. He would pulverize Usopp

[video=youtube;MWCzI5LCE0g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWCzI5LCE0g[/video]

 

[LBeezy]

Do you think Coby will make it to the rank of Admiral?

I think he will become a high rank for sure! Admiral is very likely.. Idk if he can make it to FA though, what do you think?

If so at what point in the story, before Luffy reaches Raftel, during Luffy's time as PK, after Luffy is dead or gone?

I think it will be after Luffy reaches Raftel and after that final war with the WG..

(He might be a VA during that war)

My theory for a long time now is that the Revolutionaries will take over the WG and the good marines will stay marines and still continue to help protect the world, this time with an actual good sense of justice.. no Akainu Or CP bullshit.. Marines like Fuji, Garp, Sengoku, Coby, (I think Aokiji will rejoin after the Revolutionaries take over) etc.. characters like that.. they'll stay and Revolutionaries will now be marines as well.. or something along those lines.

What about Helmeppo?

I have no idea.. lol

They have a good leader in Garp, I'd guess they'll make it to VA but idk if they can make that jump. If either of them could/do do you think they would do so with a fruit as the Admirals we've seen prior or follow Garp's footsteps and reach it with no fruit, as we know Garp was able to reach Admiral status without a fruit but that doesn't mean his students could too necessarily.

I can see it going either way tbh.. either Coby gets to VA level on his own and then eats a DF to make the jump to Admiral.. or he becomes an Admiral without a DF, just beastly Haki..

I'm fine with either or.. how about you? Would you rather him get a strong DF? Or just go the Haki route?

 

[ssjelf]

You don't know what you're saying. He is being personally trained by Garp and has already mastered Rokushiki and haki within 2 years. That shows a bigger growth potential than someone like Lucci and most of the Strawhats. He would pulverize Usopp

[video=youtube;MWCzI5LCE0g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWCzI5LCE0g[/video]

That stuff isnt canon....

It was stated he is the quickest growing character in the series in a SBS I think, but we know nothing of him post time skip.

 

[Love Cook]

That stuff isnt canon....

It was stated he is the quickest growing character in the series in a SBS I think, but we know nothing of him post time skip.

Wasn't in the manga but this was written and designed by Oda. So if Oda says this is Coby in a tv special why would it be any different in the manga later on ?

Besides Cody has been one or two step behind Luffy all along so you can bet on it that it will stay that way until the end. Therefore it also wouldn't make any sense if Cody wasn't at least that strong right after the timeskip.

 

[chopstickchakra]

You don't know what you're saying. He is being personally trained by Garp and has already mastered Rokushiki and haki within 2 years. That shows a bigger growth potential than someone like Lucci and most of the Strawhats. He would pulverize Usopp

[video=youtube;MWCzI5LCE0g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWCzI5LCE0g[/video]

The Usopp with prep is a joke thing but I agree with you about Coby. A lot of people talk about Smoker being Luffy's Garp and that works for now but when Luffy is PK Coby will be his Garp. I feel like that's been set in motion since he saved him.

I think he will become a high rank for sure! Admiral is very likely.. Idk if he can make it to FA though, what do you think?

I don't think so, he'd probably turn it down like Garp.

I think it will be after Luffy reaches Raftel and after that final war with the WG..

(He might be a VA during that war)

My theory for a long time now is that the Revolutionaries will take over the WG and the good marines will stay marines and still continue to help protect the world, this time with an actual good sense of justice.. no Akainu Or CP bullshit.. Marines like Fuji, Garp, Sengoku, Coby, (I think Aokiji will rejoin after the Revolutionaries take over) etc.. characters like that.. they'll stay and Revolutionaries will now be marines as well.. or something along those lines.



I have no idea.. lol



I can see it going either way tbh.. either Coby gets to VA level on his own and then eats a DF to make the jump to Admiral.. or he becomes an Admiral without a DF, just beastly Haki..

I'm fine with either or.. how about you? Would you rather him get a strong DF? Or just go the Haki route?

Helmeppo should be able to make VA easily

I'd kind of like to see hium just use the Haki and Rokushiki and maybe get some more ways to use haki.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

If there's another time skip

 

[ssjelf]

Wasn't in the manga but this was written and designed by Oda. So if Oda says this is Coby in a tv special why would it be any different in the manga later on ?

Besides Cody has been one or two step behind Luffy all along so you can bet on it that it will stay that way until the end. Therefore it also wouldn't make any sense if Cody wasn't at least that strong right after the timeskip.

The tv special isn't canon. This was from Episode of luffy right? If the coby stuff was canon then that would make everything else that happened canon too.

Oda did say some stuff in an SBS about Coby PTS but I'm not going to try and find it. I would consider the SBS canon, not the tv specials...

 

[Love Cook]

The tv special isn't canon. This was from Episode of luffy right? If the coby stuff was canon then that would make everything else that happened canon too.

Oda did say some stuff in an SBS about Coby PTS but I'm not going to try and find it. I would consider the SBS canon, not the tv specials...

That is not what I said. Episode of Luffy was co-written by Oda. It was Oda's idea to make Cody perform like that in the special.

So how are Oda's ideas in an sbs canon but aren't in a tv special ? It's still his train of thought, only a different execution.

 

[ssjelf]

That is not what I said. Episode of Luffy was co-written by Oda. It was Oda's idea to make Cody perform like that in the special.

So how are Oda's ideas in an sbs canon but aren't in a tv special ? It's still his train of thought, only a different execution.

Oda has input on the movies too and those aren't canon. Direct questions answered by Oda himself in the SBS are not the same thing as being a "co-author". Besides that, what makes you think he even wrote that part. How do you know what he wrote at all or if he did any of that at all and is instead listed as a co-author because he had some email correspondence with them?

The only thing we know is he had "input" on it which can mean basically anything.

 

[Love Cook]

Oda has input on the movies too and those aren't canon. Direct questions answered by Oda himself in the SBS are not the same thing as being a "co-author". Besides that, what makes you think he even wrote that part. How do you know what he wrote at all or if he did any of that at all and is instead listed as a co-author because he had some email correspondence with them?

The only thing we know is he had "input" on it which can mean basically anything.

Are you thick ? At least take some time googling it if you don't know what you're talking about.

He was specifically involved around the return of Coby and Helmeppo because it was their return after the time skip. He designed their characters and wrote their parts. You know nothing about the process and you're talking about email correspondence as if you do know what you're talking about. There were big interviews and articles that were out at the time this was in the making, I've read those. You're just speculating and arbitrarily saying like a hypocrite this is not the manga but Oda answered some dumb fan questions so lets make it canon. This is not the manga but Oda was involved of giving a look and powers to a character he created in the actual show, let's make it non-canon.

I'm fine with the Episode of Luffy being non canon, but you're plain stupid if you say that the portrayal of Coby in that video is not similar as to what it would be in the actual series, because it still came from Oda's pen.

 

[Punk Hazard]

helmeppo ...hahahha

coby.... yes but he probably wouldn't take the position like garp if he really wanted to follow into garps footstep.

or if the plot deems it appropriate(admirals aren't dogs/dicks anymore).

i see him becoming a hero(or taking credit for it) for the navy someone but really it was luffy who saved the day...

It'd be incredibly disappointing if Coby gives up his dream to just be a copy of Garp.

That is not what I said. Episode of Luffy was co-written by Oda. It was Oda's idea to make Cody perform like that in the special.

So how are Oda's ideas in an sbs canon but aren't in a tv special ? It's still his train of thought, only a different execution.

SBS is canon because it's a question corner about the manga. It's made to directly relate to the manga. TV specials are not, so they can't be considered inherently canon like non-joke answers of SBS.

 

[Love Cook]

SBS is canon because it's a question corner about the manga. It's made to directly relate to the manga. TV specials are not, so they can't be considered inherently canon like non-joke answers of SBS.

Simpleton, do yourself a favor and read before you reply.

I never said it was, all I said that the portrayal of Coby in that TV special is an accurate representation of Coby's powers right after the timeskip because Oda helped write and design it.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Simpleton, do yourself a favor and read before you reply.

I never said it was, all I said that the portrayal of Coby in that TV special is an accurate representation of Coby's powers right after the timeskip because Oda helped write and design it.

Perhaps you're the one who should read properly. I never said anything about your squabble over whether Coby's representation was accurate. I responded answering your question about why SBS is canon and the episode isn't.

 

[Love Cook]

Perhaps you're the one who should read properly. I never said anything about your squabble over whether Coby's representation was accurate. I responded answering your question about why SBS is canon and the episode isn't.

Didn't care for that because everybody here already knew that answer captain obvious. My statement doesn't rely on the SBS or the special to be canon or neither be canon or whatever.

The only thing I questioned is why two sources of One Piece both created by the same mind are treated different. Is the Oda who helped work on Episode of Luffy a different man from the guy who wrote the original series. Do you think he would go out of his way to make some kind of unrealistic spin-off version of Coby that can only bite him in the ass if the canon Coby shows up ? Or do you think that Oda said "Guys this is my vision for Coby after the timeskip."

Because that is the only thing I'm questioning, Why Oda on a different platform is treated like he fucks around with characters for no reason.

20 years of world building and when Oda gets the chance to write on a movie or a special, he goes like "yeah! let's **** it up no canon YOLO"

So enough with the distracting canon argument that has nothing to do with it, you can have any opinion you have on it but don't bother me with it.

Bottomline is that Luffy TV special Cody is still Oda's Cody. can't change that, you will fool yourself if you think differently.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Didn't care for that because everybody here already knew that answer captain obvious. My statement doesn't rely on the SBS or the special to be canon or neither be canon or whatever.

The only thing I questioned is why two sources of One Piece both created by the same mind are treated different.

Good job contradicting yourself by saying my answer was useless because it was obvious, and then following up by immediately asking a second time the question that my answer was towards.

 

[ssjelf]

Are you thick ? At least take some time googling it if you don't know what you're talking about.

He was specifically involved around the return of Coby and Helmeppo because it was their return after the time skip. He designed their characters and wrote their parts. You know nothing about the process and you're talking about email correspondence as if you do know what you're talking about. There were big interviews and articles that were out at the time this was in the making, I've read those. You're just speculating and arbitrarily saying like a hypocrite this is not the manga but Oda answered some dumb fan questions so lets make it canon. This is not the manga but Oda was involved of giving a look and powers to a character he created in the actual show, let's make it non-canon.

I'm fine with the Episode of Luffy being non canon, but you're plain stupid if you say that the portrayal of Coby in that video is not similar as to what it would be in the actual series, because it still came from Oda's pen.

I read that Oda designed Coby and Helmeppo. I never found anything stating that he wrote their parts for the TV special.