Lord Gaara vs Hinata & Sakura

[DrProof]

"Evaded super sonic iron sand"

"CES can harm Gaara while aerial"

Bruh. Wait till in the morning lmfao. This some clear disrespect to Gaara.

 

[Team7monaa]

"Evaded super sonic iron sand"

"CES can harm Gaara while aerial"

Bruh. Wait till in the morning lmfao. This some clear disrespect to Gaara.

This is in regards to a closed up battle, not open field which she loses in.

 

[Exaar]

chakra scalpel .

Chakra scalpel getting through Gaara's defense

 

[Anbu Knights]

Chakra scalpel bypassing Gaara's defense?!?! Lmaoooo wot in tarnation.

Medical ninja are my favorite and I REALLY love defending them, but stuff like that makes me cringe.

 

[FlyingRaijinLVL2]

The Sakura and Hinata wank has gone too far.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Lel, Gaara just chills in his sand coffin and smokes some weed.

Also, don't see how Hina and Saku could reach

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, let along damage him.

Ya'll nikkas are tripping with that "high diff" shit. Early part 2 Gaara that fought Deidara beats them both on the high end of low diff, war arc Gaara creams. Come on now

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That's Shukaku's power. Just sayain.

 

[Team7monaa]

Chakra scalpel getting through Gaara's defense

Assuming, Sasuke's chidori was able to penetrate his defence a chakra scalpel has just enough precision to pierce through a sand shield.

 

[Made in Heaven]

You act like Gaara will just let them though? And you also act like Hinata's hit a moving target with flight speed >> Onoki & Deidara before.

Gaara when he see's Sakura, and Hinata remaining stationary to use an Air Palm, hell, even before that so that they wouldn't be capable of syncing their techniques, he'd send an onslaught of sand their way. I mean literally, they won't even get the chance to perform a sync attack.

And on the premise that they do, Gaara would merely form another cloud of sand beneath him so I mean...

No... Let's not say Hinata can use something without her showing it canonically man lol. Even if she could use rotation, it's just like Susano'o, the rotation doesn't protect the bottom, leaving her still susceptible to getting her legs crushed, something a genius like Gaara would take notice of as he did with Madara.

This a damn stomp man.

Rotation doesn't leave the bottom open.

 

[DrProof]

That's Shukaku's power. Just sayain.

True, but irrelevant nonetheless.

Losing Shukaku doesn't equate to losing the beast's chakra. Gaara's loss wasn't actually a loss on his part. Take a look at this scan, which is an interview with Kishimoto:

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"Once it's ingrained you can't take anything away" - Kishimoto here states that anything in which Shukaku has shown, and has in general is now, and forever will be in Gaara's position.

"Not even Sand" - Kishimoto then goes on to add that in addition to the other abilities Shukaku possessed Sand is a major (and obvious) power that Gaara will never part with.

Gaara, can utilize Shukaku's entire arsenal through his sand with the aid of Shukaku's chakra. Yes, Shukaku was completely extracted from Gaara back in Early Pt.2 however, that doesn't mean that Gaara still doesn't possess a portion of the Ichibi's chakra. Hear me out:

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Gaara was born into this world a monster, through a Jutsu which his Father, the Yondaime Kazekage applied on his Wife while she was pregnant with an Unborn-Gaara. This Jutsu allowed Shukaku to possess Kurara, as well an Unborn-Gaara seeping its chakra into both the Mother, and her unborn child:

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Possessed the mother -> Possessed the Child -> Chakra Bestowed upon Both -> Mother Dies, but before Death conjoins her chakra into Son -> Untouched Mixture of Her Chakra & The Ichibi's:

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Hence why her "Will" or "Love" allows her to set-up an Auto-Defense for Gaara, due to the enhanced Chakra of the Ichibi. The Ichibi is said to give a person Insomnia, Karura is in the form of Chakra within Gaara's Sand, The Sand never sleeps due to Shukaku's side-effects thus, Karura's chakra can never take a break, and will always respond against Gaara's will; Auto Defense is caused via Shukaku's Insomnia side-effect affecting Karura's chakra.

Lol you could use this for your Hinata has Hamura chakra bout btw. It's legit.

 

[Made in Heaven]

True, but irrelevant nonetheless.

Losing Shukaku doesn't equate to losing the beast's chakra. Gaara's loss wasn't actually a loss on his part. Take a look at this scan, which is an interview with Kishimoto:

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"Once it's ingrained you can't take anything away" - Kishimoto here states that anything in which Shukaku has shown, and has in general is now, and forever will be in Gaara's position.

"Not even Sand" - Kishimoto then goes on to add that in addition to the other abilities Shukaku possessed Sand is a major (and obvious) power that Gaara will never part with.

Gaara, can utilize Shukaku's entire arsenal through his sand with the aid of Shukaku's chakra. Yes, Shukaku was completely extracted from Gaara back in Early Pt.2 however, that doesn't mean that Gaara still doesn't possess a portion of the Ichibi's chakra. Hear me out:

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Gaara was born into this world a monster, through a Jutsu which his Father, the Yondaime Kazekage applied on his Wife while she was pregnant with an Unborn-Gaara. This Jutsu allowed Shukaku to possess Kurara, as well an Unborn-Gaara seeping its chakra into both the Mother, and her unborn child:

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Possessed the mother -> Possessed the Child -> Chakra Bestowed upon Both -> Mother Dies, but before Death conjoins her chakra into Son -> Untouched Mixture of Her Chakra & The Ichibi's:

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Hence why her "Will" or "Love" allows her to set-up an Auto-Defense for Gaara, due to the enhanced Chakra of the Ichibi. The Ichibi is said to give a person Insomnia, Karura is in the form of Chakra within Gaara's Sand, The Sand never sleeps due to Shukaku's side-effects thus, Karura's chakra can never take a break, and will always respond against Gaara's will; Auto Defense is caused via Shukaku's Insomnia side-effect affecting Karura's chakra.

lol woah woah chill. I was never arguing Sakura/Hinata win, just wanted to point that out/ But yeah, from what you said, it would mean he can still do the things he could as a jinchuriki

Lol you could use this for your Hinata has Hamura chakra bout btw. It's legit.

What do you mean by that?

 

[Anbu Knights]

Assuming, Sasuke's chidori was able to penetrate his defence a chakra scalpel has just enough precision to pierce through a sand shield.

There is a reason medical ninja avoid offensively using chakra scalpels. It is a surgery tool used for flesh, not multiple non permeable layers of hardened sand. Precision plays no factor here at all.

Kabuto was a rare and uncommon case of a medical ninja who used chakra scalpels offensively and the most dense thing he managed to cut was puppet wood.

Please just drop this one.

 

[Exaar]

Assuming, Sasuke's chidori was able to penetrate his defence a chakra scalpel has just enough precision to pierce through a sand shield.

How on earth does Chidori penetrating it mean scalpel can as well?.

 

[KidGamer65]

Help me understand the logic behind the bold? Are you implying air palm shreds the auto defense? Based on what exactly?

- Hinata isn't going to continually spin now is she? The moment she stops, she's grabbed by the legs.

- Sand hail is an aerial attack. Not frontal. And how is Sakura strong enough to repel any sand? She either opts to focus on her feet or the aerial bombardment. She's getting bound and is not escaping it if the 3rd Raikage needed lightning (sand/earths weakness) to break free [

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I'm clearly stating that Air Palm blows through his defense and knocks him on the ground. Gaara's Sand Shield in the War (don't give me Jin Gaara feats, Jin Gaara=/=War Gaara) was getting penetrated by Yasaka Magatama from the second weakest form of Susanoo. That Sand Shield is stronger than what

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Hiashi's Air Palm can blow a Bijuu sized object 10-20 m into the air and Hinata's + Sakura as a battery will yield something much stronger.

Then body blow saves her after she's done Rotating.

Doesn't matter if it's an aerial attack first of all. Second of all I was talking about any kind of sand that tries to grab her. Bold must be a trick question and the underlined is a garbage comparison. The Raikage are canonically not anywhere near as physically powerful as Sakura or Tsunade. Why would Ay III failing to physically overpower Gaara's Sand mean that Sakura cannot? :lol

-Air Palm + Byakugo.
-Physical power that can destroy Susanoo and can land hits with just shockwaves.
-Rotation to protect herself and Sakura from Sand Hail.
-Katsuyu to break free like Naruto did in Part 1 if she's ever actually caught.

Oh yeah, and Sand is not Earth. They do not share the same strengths and weaknesses. Lightning is EARTH's weakness. Not sand. I repeat: Sand is NOT the same as Earth.

You seriously need to stop with this blatant overestimation of Gaara's power if your argument boils down to "hail distracts them both and then they get crushed to death no difficulty." Especially outside of a desert location.

Oh yeah, and Gaara still wins, so please don't get this discussion twisted. All I've been saying is that he doesn't stomp and so far you guys are proving me right.

 

[DrProof]

lol woah woah chill. I was never arguing Sakura/Hinata win, just wanted to point that out/ But yeah, from what you said, it would mean he can still do the things he could as a jinchuriki



What do you mean by that?

The interview portion. Read the second Q under the "about the characters" section. It talks about if the chakra was once apart of you it can never be taken away. Shukaku's chakra was ingrained in Gaara. And apparently Hamura's chakra was ingrained in Hinata right? I never watched the last so idk. But if it was, you could use that to strengthen your premise that Hinata still has Hamura chakra.

 

[DrProof]

I'll take over soon Jinrou, keep fighting the good fight. Gaara is the GOAT. KG just a hating ass libarian.

 

[Made in Heaven]

The interview portion. Read the second Q under the "about the characters" section. It talks about if the chakra was once apart of you it can never be taken away. Shukaku's chakra was ingrained in Gaara. And apparently Hamura's chakra was ingrained in Hinata right? I never watched the last so idk. But if it was, you could use that to strengthen your premise that Hinata still has Hamura chakra.

Hinata got it like Naruto and Sasuke did with Hagoromo. So I don't think it's gone, nor is there any logical reason to say it is gone, since those two didn't lose it either. I don't even think most people deny her not having it anymore, they say it's featless or w/e, which is pretty stupid imo since it's Rikudo Chakra which alone means a lot

 

[Jinrou]

I'm clearly stating that Air Palm blows through his defense and knocks him on the ground. Gaara's Sand Shield in the War (don't give me Jin Gaara feats, Jin Gaara=/=War Gaara) was getting penetrated by Yasaka Magatama from the second weakest form of Susanoo. That Sand Shield is stronger than what

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Hiashi's Air Palm can blow a Bijuu sized object 10-20 m into the air and Hinata's + Sakura as a battery will yield something much stronger.

Then body blow saves her after she's done Rotating.

Doesn't matter if it's an aerial attack first of all. Second of all I was talking about any kind of sand that tries to grab her. Bold must be a trick question and the underlined is a garbage comparison. The Raikage are canonically not anywhere near as physically powerful as Sakura or Tsunade. Why would Ay III failing to physically overpower Gaara's Sand mean that Sakura cannot? :lol

-Air Palm + Byakugo.
-Physical power that can destroy Susanoo and can land hits with just shockwaves.
-Rotation to protect herself and Sakura from Sand Hail.
-Katsuyu to break free like Naruto did in Part 1 if she's ever actually caught.

Oh yeah, and Sand is not Earth. They do not share the same strengths and weaknesses. Lightning is EARTH's weakness. Not sand. I repeat: Sand is NOT the same as Earth.

You seriously need to stop with this blatant overestimation of Gaara's power if your argument boils down to "hail distracts them both and then they get crushed to death no difficulty." Especially outside of a desert location.

Oh yeah, and Gaara still wins, so please don't get this discussion twisted. All I've been saying is that he doesn't stomp and so far you guys are proving me right.

It has been stated in the manga that the gourd sand is better than regular sand Gaara uses defensively/offensively because that sand is chakra infused. The shield used in the golem combo is strong.. but as we can see it was conjured from the earth. Its why a smaller volume of the gourd sand was able to tank a similar launched attack albeit with a Susanoo sword this time [

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] and also why a layer with size inferior to the golem shield was able to keep him safe from the force of the meteor. [

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Shinra Tensei can replicate what both Wall palm and Kurama chakra air palm did to the Juubi arm... but yet on a large scale use of ST, the hokage monuments showed no visible damage [

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]... Byakugou enhanced air palm means more air and i'm not sure what exactly its going to do to a sturdy defense like Gaara's -assuming a sphere is formed- other than just blowing the entire thing backwards without actually wrecking it. And even if i do agree that it disperses the sand, much if not all of the force would have dissipated and the sand cushions Gaara's fall and he proceeds to maul them.

Body blow isn't destroying sand.. The sand is dispersed but is quickly reformed and when it holds her legs at the same time sand hail falls again, she's bound and quickly crushed.

I disagree with the third paragraph. Canonically Tsunade can hit harder than Ay iv can and that's because concentration of chakra in her fists makes her obtain a power of destruction bodily strength alone cannot achieve. When it comes to actual physical withstanding of extreme forces, Ay III > Ay IV >>> Tsunade far greater than Sakura. [

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] The forces from lightspeed travel is enough to tear the body apart. The raikage's can withstand such forces while Tsunade barely can as we see she suffered injuries and used a regeneration technique after she arrived. [

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]. And even then, she probably only escaped with few cuts due to her senju lineage.

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Top Secret File #7: A “chain of hatred” that begins with the Father of Shinobi!

The Sage of Six Paths spent his days spreading the word of Shinobi Sect in an attempt to bring peace to the world, but ultimately he approached his death with without realizing his goal and the remaining work was left to his sons. Possessing the eyes of the sage, the elder son sought a peace by way of power, whereas the younger son, inheriting the body of the sage, sought a peace by way of love. Of the two, the sage chose the younger as his successor, and the older son, finding the decision unacceptable, chose to fight his brother!! Time passed and the battle continued with the elder son’s descendants as the Uchiha and the younger son’s as the Senju!! The battle between Madara and Hashirama was indeed inevitable. What now will happen between Naruto and Sasuke…?

Naruto suppressed his feelings for vengeance and chose a path of peace!!

Future destiny was sewn as the Sage of Six Paths chose his successor.

The Senju Clan inherited strong bodies, pulsing with life!!

The Uchiha Clan inherited intense chakra and powerful eyes!!

Now that he has obtained the Mangekyo Sharingan, will Sasuke tread the same path as Madara!?

Sakura =/= Tsunade even as an adult and i don't recollect anything to show she can just physically overpower forces Ay III can't.

- Sakura would need to be inside Rotation to be protected from Sand hail though and based on how rotation works, that would be impossible

- Restriction of movement by sand is clearly faster than it was in p1 though [

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- And sand is as much of Earth in the same way Clay is of Earth..

This isn't overestimation tbh.. It is what it is. Sand hail is said to be boulder like in formation.. It definitely is enough to distract them and except this battle is taking place at sea, location seems irrelevant imo as Gaara can perform anywhere Earth can be broken down into sand for him to use. Gaara and Ohnoki vs the Kages for example didn't take place in a sand filled desert. Just because the land was barren and rocky doesn't mean sand was abundant on the surface. [

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First fanbook

Land of Lightning: The name comes from the thunder that echoes through the mountains. The peninsula is divided down the middle by a great mountain range, and rivers run from the range to the winding cliffs at the short, giving the coast a forbidden beauty. Many hot springs dot the land.

And i know you aren't saying Gaara loses but the difficulty at which you're ascribing he wins -mid diff?- seems too much.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Assuming, Sasuke's chidori was able to penetrate his defence a chakra scalpel has just enough precision to pierce through a sand shield.

Lighting has best cutting power (or tied with wind) plus its a piercing type move is scapel likke slice move. Also i have very hard time believing a scapel could do that

 

[DrProof]

Air Palm is invisible. So he won't see it coming to evade it from whatever height he wants to fight at. That and the size will be larger than Hiashi's which is as large as a Bijuu in width. Bold is ridiculous. A wave of sand isn't going to be conjured up, sent at them and actually hit them before Sakura can touch Hinata and before Hinata can thrust her hand forward. Especially since this scenario has him attempting this after seeing them try to perform air palm, meaning that Sakura is already touching Hinata.

I've given almost undeniable evidence that she can use it. Can't be a master of Gentle Fist if you can't use Rotation. Literally no reason not to give it to her, that is, unless you have a reason better than "she didn't do it on panel". Oh yeah, and Rotation creates

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under the person using it, so the bottom is covered.

So then Gaara forms a cloud of sand beneath him again, and they just rinse and repeat. Gaara is in air, Air Palm is used, either he tries to counter with Sand and it gets blown away or he gets hit, knocked out of the sky and then catches himself with sand.


It's not even close to a stomp. If he can't take them out or overwhelm them within the first 3 attacks it can't count as a stomp no matter how many people come in this thread exaggerating the ease of the fight. Gaara wins mid diff. Mid-high diff at the absolute worst. No harder and no easier.

I'll first propose a plausible counter to Air Palm — Sand Sensing. As you proclaim, Byakugou powered Air Palms will reach larger than Biju size, that's nice, and dandy, but irrelevant in the end because only a small margin of the Air Palm will hit Gaara lol. That said, Gaara's sand withheld the recoil of Madara's meteors, Madara's meteors >>> Air Palm, therefore Gaara's sand will be capable of tanking Air Palms, unless you believe they're superior to meteorite recoil, which didn't even disperse Gaara's sand.

I mean added on to the fact Gaara's sand was capable of stopping the lightened meteor, which was still heavy af.

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Sand Sensing will allow Gaara to pinpoint incoming chakra once it makes contact with his sand, similar to how he caught Mu whilst invisible. Same mechanics basically.

That's all on the premise Gaara lets the females perform an Air Palm, which as I said before, won't happen. You're deadass underestimating Gaara man, especially if you think he's being pushed to mid diff by two character's who are like 2-3 tiers below him.

Alright, lets get it.

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A wave of sand isn't going to be conjured up, sent at them and actually hit them before Sakura can touch Hinata and before Hinata can thrust her hand forward. Especially since this scenario has him attempting this after seeing them try to perform air palm, meaning that Sakura is already touching Hinata.

Uh... Do you not know who you're talking about? This is Gaara, the finesse king, God of multitasking, and going 0-100 real f*ckin quick. He can perform multiple things at once like its nothing.

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Need I go on? I'm sure you realize attacking Hinata/Sakura while fortifying himself etc etc. is fully in his capabilities. But I guess you're also under the impression his sand isn't fast? Dear God I hope you don't, but even so...

Deidara's C3 went off, nigh instantly upon detonation, Gaara summoned a village sized sand shield to protect Sunagakure from being destroyed. Take note of the "whoosh" sound signaling how fast his sand shield presented itself. That, and Deidara after capturing Gaara made it clear that the sand Gaara used wasn't from his village, but from the outskirts.

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Gaara summons a village-sized sand shield directly after C3 detonation has taken place

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Deidara previously praises Gaara's sand as lightning fast, which is no shit sherlock true :lol

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Basically, what's being shown here is that:

1. Gaara can multitask 3,4,5 however many constructs of sand he wishes.
2. Gaara's sand speed is incredibly fast, capable of moving a village-sized sand shield from the outskirts to immediately protect his village what nanoseconds away? From being obliterated.
3. Gaara's sand is faster than Hinata, and I'm sure faster than Sakura + the summoned sand traveled a farther distance, at a greater speed than any of Sakura's movement speed feats.

To add on to all that, clearly Gaara's sand isn't being reacted to by either female. His sand had to be incredibly fast to work into a strategy involving two of the fastest techniques in the manga. If the execution speed wasn't incredibly quick, and unpredictable, their strategy wouldn't have had any possible rates of succesion, it wouldn't have even been a plausible strategy if not for his sand's speed.

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Both females are getting their legs crushed lol, literally no defense against that, as they aren't shown to be as reactive, possess sensory etc. This fight literally ends once it begins just based on his execution speed.

Hinata isn't rotating before her feet are crushed.
Sakura isn't punching the ground before her feet are crushed.
They aren't syncing an Air Palm before their feet are crushed.

If he can't take them out or overwhelm them within the first 3 attacks

When he can take them out in two moves due to their inability to react to unpredictability :lol They don't know when, or where his sand will show up similar to the Kimimaro fight. Gaara's sand unpredictability is one of its greatest attributes. The shit even surprised Madara.

No way in hell is this a mid diff. It's a stomp.

 

[FemmeFatale]

Gaara has nothing that can put Sakura down, you guys say he flies.... okay, he flies, that's the same as a Pokémon fleeing battle .