The Uchiha were skilled with Fuinjutsu

[Styles]

Yep.

The Uchiha were gifted in everything pertaining to battle.

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I don't see Uchiha with Tsunade, Minato or Tobirama's sealing feats

What sealing feats do Tsuande have? Or Tobirama? Only Minato have sealing feats and that's because Kushina taught him.

 

[Holy God]

It was passed down to them and they are the ones who can learn it so yes it can. It's like saying the reaper cant be considered an uzumaki technique because they didn't create the reaper.

Yes to thw Uchiha for them to use correct it wasn't given to the others. So we could say it's theirs

The Uchiha clan didn't create the technique, so obviously it is not theirs. The Uzumaki did create the Reaper Death Seal, so I don't know what you're talking about. People learning it doesn't matter, because it's all about the developer. Minato used it, but it's not his.

 

[salamander uchiha]

The Uchiha clan didn't create the technique, so obviously it is not theirs. The Uzumaki did create the Reaper Death Seal, so I don't know what you're talking about. People learning it doesn't matter, because it's all about the developer. Minato used it, but it's not his.

Did they create the reaper? A yes or no will suffice.
Did they find a way to make a contract with the reaper yes or No?

As far as I'm aware nowhere in the manga or databook does it say they created it(the seal)

The similitude of what your suggesting is if somebody teaches addition 1+1=2 they made it. Even a person who didn't use that method would know if he has 2 sons that's more than 1.

 

[Holy God]

Did they create the reaper? A yes or no will suffice.
Did they find a way to make a contract with the reaper yes or No?

They possibly could have created it. You cannot say for sure if it existed before the technique was made.

As far as I'm aware nowhere in the manga or databook does it say they created it(the seal)

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The similitude of what your suggesting is if somebody teaches addition 1+1=2 they made it. Even a person who didn't use that method would know if he has 2 sons that's more than 1.

I didn't say if someone learns it then they made it. I actually said the opposite by saying Minato learned it yet it's not his.

 

[salamander uchiha]

They possibly could have created it. You cannot say for sure if it existed before the technique was made.

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I didn't say if someone learns it then they made it. I actually said the opposite by saying Minato learned it yet it's not his.

The reaper itself is meant to be the G of D they exist outside the concept of life and death so it's sage to say people were living and dying long before them.

Now forgive me for my stupidity but the scan says a sealing jutsu of the uzumaki clan (of course they use it) nowhere does it say created by them.

 

[Holy God]

The reaper itself is meant to be the G of D they exist outside the concept of life and death so it's sage to say people were living and dying long before them.

Then you'd be bringing in actual spirits and monsters into the story. It is inconclusive if an actual god of death exists or if that is just something created. Even if it did exist beforehand, it doesn't mean the technique itself wasn't created. It's not a summoning technique.

Now forgive me for my stupidity but the scan says a sealing jutsu of the uzumaki clan (of course they use it) nowhere does it say created by them.

If you want to take it so literally, then I will too by pointing out Orochimaru says "originally", which means they are the origin and first to use it.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Then you'd be bringing in actual spirits and monsters into the story. It is inconclusive if an actual god of death exists or if that is just something created. Even if it did exist beforehand, it doesn't mean the technique itself wasn't created. It's not a summoning technique.



If you want to take it so literally, then I will too by pointing out Orochimaru says "originally", which means they are the origin and first to use it.

It is a summoning and it's offer price is your soul to use its powers. Clearly it's a sentient entity.
As for Orochimaru saying originally it's referring them to be the first to use it not create it. If I'm the first to use the method of addition or multiplication I'm not the first to create it. I'm the first to propogate it and therefore can be called the original user.

 

[Holy God]

It is a summoning and it's offer price is your soul to use its powers. Clearly it's a sentient entity

It's not clear and this really has no effect on the main argument anyway.

As for Orochimaru saying originally it's referring them to be the first to use it not create it. If I'm the first to use the method of addition or multiplication I'm not the first to create it. I'm the first to propogate it and therefore can be called the original user.

No, that would be your assumption. He says it was originally their technique, not they were the first to use it. If someone is the first to use something that they didn't create, they are originally the first to use it, but it is not originally theirs, which is the context Orochimaru is using.

 

[salamander uchiha]

It's not clear and this really has no effect on the main argument anyway.



No, that would be your assumption. He says it was originally their technique, not they were the first to use it. If someone is the first to use something that they didn't create, they are originally the first to use it, but it is not originally theirs, which is the context Orochimaru is using.

Orochimaru has no way of verifying if they created it. All he has to go by is that Minato used it and Sarutobi confirmed this during their battle. Through searching for it he ended up at uzumaki knowing Minato had to learn it from somewhere since you don't come by such jutsu by chance. He has no way of going further back then that to confirm if they were truly the creators of it and neither was that his mission his soul objective was to find a way to restore his arms.

 

[SenseiSama]

I think you didn't read the thread.

Don't have to, their skill was genjutsu and ninjutsu not fuin jutsu. If you're gonna use the top tier Uchiha as evidence then it's moot because not every Uchiha is like them.

 

[Holy God]

Orochimaru has no way of verifying if they created it. All he has to go by is that Minato used it and Sarutobi confirmed this during their battle. Through searching for it he ended up at uzumaki knowing Minato had to learn it from somewhere since you don't come by such jutsu by chance. He has no way of going further back then that to confirm if they were truly the creators of it and neither was that his mission his soul objective was to find a way to restore his arms.

If you read the page it says Orochimaru studied their origins through what they left behind. Not only is there no reason to believe they didn't create it, but Orochimaru says so and we know that they are experts in sealing techniques. There is no need to believe otherwise, thus this is practically fact.

Because it is heavily implied that they did create it, and there is nothing denying it, you certainly cannot use such an example as proof for why Hagoromo's technique should be considered that of the Uchiha.

 

[Nattana]

I don't see Uchiha with Tsunade, Minato or Tobirama's sealing feats

Funny how you didn't mention Orochimaru, who is superior in Fuuinjutsu to everyone in your post (bar Minato, who is probably more/less equal)

 

[SenseiSama]

Funny how you didn't mention Orochimaru, who is superior in Fuuinjutsu to everyone in your post (bar Minato, who is probably more/less equal)

Because relying on hundreds of experiments to create one seal makes you "naurally" gifted smh. He used science to achieve power not talent, he himself admitted it was nowhere near any of Hagoromo's descendants it's why he wanted their bodies.

 

[salamander uchiha]

If you read the page it says Orochimaru studied their origins through what they left behind. Not only is there no reason to believe they didn't create it, but Orochimaru says so and we know that they are experts in sealing techniques. There is no need to believe otherwise, thus this is practically fact.

Because it is heavily implied that they did create it, and there is nothing denying it, you certainly cannot use such an example as proof for why Hagoromo's technique should be considered that of the Uchiha.

Orochimaru only had what was left to go on that enough makes it inconclusive since the village was wiped out. So that makes it likely not certain. Like I said his objective was to get back his arms.

Anyway here's the proof it's a contract which requires your soul instead of blood.

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Also only those who make the contract can see it how would the uzumaki know how to do this? We're they randomly playing with handseals and going through 10 hand seal combos and the 9 billion+ potential combinations before that to come to the conclusion these were the right hand seals.

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Here it confirms that not even Orochimaru knows of this jutsu yet the Uzumaki who were famous for sealing jutsu invent such a jutsu and Orochimaru who lived through the destruction of their home not know of it (sealing jutsu).

Now Orochimaru knew of the uzumaki clan he even had karin as his subordinate, he even knew of the chakra chains of kushina.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

I agree sealing jutsu aren't something exclusive to the uzumaki they were famous for using fuinn jutsu or being specialist as some would call it. It doesn't mean other clans didn't have or know fuinn jutsu. You could say the Uzumaki clan are like tokubetsu jonin (specialisng in a specific field) and the Uchiha are like Elite jonin (excelling in all fields).
Obito knows sealing jutsu, Itachi's transcription seal, Sasuke undoing the cursed seal on Anko etc are prime examples. Not even Hiruzen who was trained by Minato/kushina could undo the curse mark.

Yeah right. It took multiple villages to take down the Uzumakis and even then they survived, it took two ninjas to solo the entire uchiha clan. The only thing the uchiha specialize in is being getting butthurt and getting their ass handed to them by Ashura's transmigrants.

Uchiha faps and their insecurities....:lol

 

[Holy God]

Orochimaru only had what was left to go on that enough makes it inconclusive since the village was wiped out. So that makes it likely not certain. Like I said his objective was to get back his arms.

Anyway here's the proof it's a contract which requires your soul instead of blood.

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Also only those who make the contract can see it how would the uzumaki know how to do this? We're they randomly playing with handseals and going through 10 hand seal combos and the 9 billion+ potential combinations before that to come to the conclusion these were the right hand seals.

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Here it confirms that not even Orochimaru knows of this jutsu yet the Uzumaki who were famous for sealing jutsu invent such a jutsu and Orochimaru who lived through the destruction of their home not know of it (sealing jutsu).

Now Orochimaru knew of the uzumaki clan he even had karin as his subordinate, he even knew of the chakra chains of kushina.

Clearly Orochimaru did research after his arms were took, as already pointed out, and came to the conclusion that the Uzumaki created it. It doesn't matter what he knew before he studied. Asking how the Uzumaki would have made it makes no sense, because we don't know how techniques are made (it's not just attempting random hand signs), and I could easily turn such a bad question back to you and ask how anyone could have made the technique if no one could see it.

I'm not trying to prove this to you. It's simply factual that everything leads to them having created it and nothing goes against it, therefore you can't use it as proof, even if it's inconclusive.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Clearly Orochimaru did research after his arms were took, as already pointed out, and came to the conclusion that the Uzumaki created it. It doesn't matter what he knew before he studied. Asking how the Uzumaki would have made it makes no sense, because we don't know how techniques are made (it's not just attempting random hand signs), and I could easily turn such a bad question back to you and ask how anyone could have made the technique if no one could see it.

I'm not trying to prove this to you. It's simply factual that everything leads to them having created it and nothing goes against it, therefore you can't use it as proof, even if it's inconclusive.

Do you believe they went through 9 billion + seal combos to conclude that these were the seals necessary to summon the shinigami

 

[salamander uchiha]

Yeah right. It took multiple villages to take down the Uzumakis and even then they survived, it took two ninjas to solo the entire uchiha clan. The only thing the uchiha specialize in is being getting butthurt and getting their ass handed to them by Ashura's transmigrants.

Uchiha faps and their insecurities....:lol

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And those 2 Uchiha solo the Uzumaki low difficulty ask Nagato (the greatest Uzumaki ) and Naruto who can't escape a finger genjutsu.

 

[Holy God]

Do you believe they went through 9 billion + seal combos to conclude that these were the seals necessary to summon the shinigami

Obviously not.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Obviously not.

So explain how they created it after all that's how many seal combos would be necessary for arriving at it.