Tobriama was an Uzumaki

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[Nick01]

damn the fanfic. Hashirama died in battle(went of to battle nobody knows how he died) nobody killed him. Your fodder fapping blinds you to that. Killing the G of shinobi is an instant claim to fame. Killing fodder (uzumaki) isn't.

@Bold That's what I say every time I read your posts. :lol
So Hashirama (w/ a Title of God of Shinobi) died an unknown death? Reminds me of the Uzumaki clan.
Enough with your sad fanfics. The Uzumaki were far from fodders, rather they were OP and needed to be taken out, otherwise they more than likely would've become a huge threat to future villains.(Uchiha)
If you want to call them fodder, then it means the Senju/Uchiha and the other clans are fodder as well. If you're ok with that, then you do you.

Foddermaki are a branch stay salty when you split off your children become a distant relatives over time. Now I mentioned sealing jutsu and I said they can be learnt by anybody. I mentioned the 2 uzumaki seals and I put it to you again the Uzumaki were famous for their seals yet 0 were used or brought them to fame during the warring clans era or the 3 great wars. Read this statement carefully and comprehend it perhaps you'll grow a few brain cells.
The manga tells you who the 2 strongest clans are Uchiha and Senju I hate to break it to you it doesn't put foddermaki in that list.

I already told you, I don't know who the Foddermaki's are. However I do know of the powerful Uzumaki's, which 'is' a clan, just like the Senju is a clan or the Sarutobi's, etc etc. Only capable Shinobi's are able to learn those difficult sealing techs. Not anyone can learn them, it's just that the Uzumaki's had a knack for it.
@Bold You act as if they received as much panel time as other clans let alone the fodderchiha's. Despite not showcasing more sealing techs, it was stated in the"Manga" that those techs were greatly feared by others. Meaning that it in fact did bring them to fame, which led to them getting attacked.

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^Now read that statement and study the manga page well. Don't worry, take your time and if necessary ask others for help. Then maybe just maybe there will be hope for that little brain of yours.

Anyway Nagato doesn't wreck anybody his power is solely dependant on Madara's rinnegan. And Naruto is fodder 2.0 whose power is dependant on kurama's grace And handouts. Oh and more importantly Itachi Sama's mercy And also the sword of Solo says Hi

^That right there is pathetic. When faps like yourself get pushed into a corner, they bring out the borrowed power/handouts card. Not surprised coming from your butthurt self.
You act as if Nagato or Naruto had a say in the matter, regarding The Rinnegan and Kurama.
Madara chose Nagato(an Uzumaki), because he knew his kind was capable enough to handle the Rinnegan just like they could handle tailed beasts within themselves, whereas Obito(an Uchiha) said he could barely only handle one eye. As for Naruto, he's far from fodder and earned whatever power he achieved bar RSM. Unlike Sasuke who pretty much got handed an MS and EMS on a silver platter. Guess Sasuke is fodder 8.0 and Itachi without his spirit weapons is fodder 4.0 . Still if you want to strip them (Kurama from Naruto and The Rinnegan from Nagato), they'd lose some power but they potentially have nearly as much to gain. I could go on and on with how much they could learn/accomplish/do without those things and they'd still be >>>>than the Uchiha you list, in regards to excluding any and all handouts. Speaking of Handouts, did you know that the Uchiha's main power is reliant on handout/external power? Yup, EMS. Without EMS, they eventually become blind fodder, meanwhile the Uzumaki's (Nagato and Naruto) would still keep growing in power. All without the supposed handouts.

Face it the Uzumaki's are part of the strongest clans along with the Senju and Uchiha. Still the fapper is strong within me. Anyway I'll take your suggesting in re-reading the manga and learn their relevance and obviously I can't address manga facts. So make up fapper facts.

There, I corrected your hideous post for you. No need to thank me, just brush up on your comprehension skills and put a stop to the ridiculous fapfics you spout daily. Also try to reduce your salt lvls, because recently they've been at an all time high. Not unusual for Uchiha faps. But it wouldn't hurt to bring it down.

 

[salamander uchiha]

@Bold That's what I say every time I read your posts. :lol
So Hashirama (w/ a Title of God of Shinobi) died an unknown death? Reminds me of the Uzumaki clan.
Enough with your sad fanfics. The Uzumaki were far from fodders, rather they were OP and needed to be taken out, otherwise they more than likely would've become a huge threat to future villains.(Uchiha)
If you want to call them fodder, then it means the Senju/Uchiha and the other clans are fodder as well. If you're ok with that, then you do you.



I already told you, I don't know who the Foddermaki's are. However I do know of the powerful Uzumaki's, which 'is' a clan, just like the Senju is a clan or the Sarutobi's, etc etc. Only capable Shinobi's are able to learn those difficult sealing techs. Not anyone can learn them, it's just that the Uzumaki's had a knack for it.
@Bold You act as if they received as much panel time as other clans let alone the fodderchiha's. Despite not showcasing more sealing techs, it was stated in the"Manga" that those techs were greatly feared by others. Meaning that it in fact did bring them to fame, which led to them getting attacked.

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^Now read that statement and study the manga page well. Don't worry, take your time and if necessary ask others for help. Then maybe just maybe there will be hope for that little brain of yours.


^That right there is pathetic. When faps like yourself get pushed into a corner, they bring out the borrowed power/handouts card. Not surprised coming from your butthurt self.
You act as if Nagato or Naruto had a say in the matter, regarding The Rinnegan and Kurama.
Madara chose Nagato(an Uzumaki), because he knew his kind was capable enough to handle the Rinnegan just like they could handle tailed beasts within themselves, whereas Obito(an Uchiha) said he could barely only handle one eye. As for Naruto, he's far from fodder and earned whatever power he achieved bar RSM. Unlike Sasuke who pretty much got handed an MS and EMS on a silver platter. Guess Sasuke is fodder 8.0 and Itachi without his spirit weapons is fodder 4.0 . Still if you want to strip them (Kurama from Naruto and The Rinnegan from Nagato), they'd lose some power but they potentially have nearly as much to gain. I could go on and on with how much they could learn/accomplish/do without those things and they'd still be >>>>than the Uchiha you list, in regards to excluding any and all handouts. Speaking of Handouts, did you know that the Uchiha's main power is reliant on handout/external power? Yup, EMS. Without EMS, they eventually become blind fodder, meanwhile the Uzumaki's (Nagato and Naruto) would still keep growing in power. All without the supposed handouts.




There, I corrected your hideous post for you. No need to thank me, just brush up on your comprehension skills and put a stop to the ridiculous fapfics you spout daily. Also try to reduce your salt lvls, because recently they've been at an all time high. Not unusual for Uchiha faps. But it wouldn't hurt to bring it down.

damn still in denial and making up fanfic. Comparing Uzumaki foddermaki's death to Hashirama's. A one man army dies and nobody knows how that's his level and the manga attests to his unrivalled power. Foddermaki get killed by an unknown even the survivirs dont know who did it. They were their yheir parents were theit they tan away like cowards I stead of stay and fight like warriors. Comparing an irrelevant clan to the Senju especially Hahsirama.
The manga made it clear who the 2 strongest clans are and foddermaki weren't mentioned among them. Now from this point I will stop referring to them as foddermaki (I know they're not fodder but they're certainly not top tier).
Now the Uzumaki had "hax sealing jutsu" yet they didn't help them. They never became famous or were mentioned because of them during the warring clans era and or 3 great wars(the has obviously wasn't helping).

Naruto earnt his power ups through beggar no jutsu. I'll tell you what if Naruto wasn't a host to the 9 tails and that hax sealing jutsu wasn't adding kurama's chakra to his increasing his reserves or the strength of his chakra And recovery speed. He'd have Iruka level chakra reserves (average like Kakashi's also) maybe he's be a different type of ninja. Every time Naruto drew on kurama's chakra his reserves went up (increased chakra capacity) he didn't earn shit like in the chunin exam his own chakra wasn't enough to summon Bunta he used the 9 tails chakra. After that he gained chakra reserves to summon Bunta a few chapters later. All of Narutos feats are dependant upon external power ups. He is fodder is so immense Minato had to stop him from relaxing kurama. Kushina had to stop Kurama from soloing him bee helped as well. His BSM another external factor (not his own power) All the way to RSM. Naruto wouldn't grow outside of Iruka level without Kurama even his dad knew that when sealing kurama.

Itachi's spirit weapon solo'd Nagato like a little boy unlike beggaruto (he's upgraded from fodder) and saved his life. Beggaruto could never make it past a finger Genjutsu let alone stand I front of itachi Sama.

And Nagato was chosen 1 because of uzumaki relationship to Senju and number 2 easier to manipulate a boy in a war torn country who knows nothing of his origins. Nagato without rinnegan is like an average kid admittedly with strong life force.

Itachi and Sasuke are still elite without sharingan having the chakra and spirutual energy of the sage. Meaning ninjutsu mastery and Genjutsu mastery is in their future. Itachi was elite long before his sharingan as Uchiha are 1 of the reasons Orochimaru covets an Uchiha body and not an uzumaki 1.

Naruto would live 1/2 as long as Nagato wholly they'd live to old age (you know powerful lifeforce of the uzumaki and that). Nagato would become strong(probably as strong as an unknown uzumaki) Naruto not so much so him being chunin level and that like Hinata he could push tokubetsu jonin at beast like Ebisu.

 

[To Whatever]

damn still in denial and making up fanfic. Comparing Uzumaki foddermaki's death to Hashirama's. A one man army dies and nobody knows how that's his level and the manga attests to his unrivalled power. Foddermaki get killed by an unknown even the survivirs dont know who did it. They were their yheir parents were theit they tan away like cowards I stead of stay and fight like warriors. Comparing an irrelevant clan to the Senju especially Hahsirama.
The manga made it clear who the 2 strongest clans are and foddermaki weren't mentioned among them. Now from this point I will stop referring to them as foddermaki (I know they're not fodder but they're certainly not top tier).
Now the Uzumaki had "hax sealing jutsu" yet they didn't help them. They never became famous or were mentioned because of them during the warring clans era and or 3 great wars(the has obviously wasn't helping).

Naruto earnt his power ups through beggar no jutsu. I'll tell you what if Naruto wasn't a host to the 9 tails and that hax sealing jutsu wasn't adding kurama's chakra to his increasing his reserves or the strength of his chakra And recovery speed. He'd have Iruka level chakra reserves (average like Kakashi's also) maybe he's be a different type of ninja. Every time Naruto drew on kurama's chakra his reserves went up (increased chakra capacity) he didn't earn shit like in the chunin exam his own chakra wasn't enough to summon Bunta he used the 9 tails chakra. After that he gained chakra reserves to summon Bunta a few chapters later. All of Narutos feats are dependant upon external power ups. He is fodder is so immense Minato had to stop him from relaxing kurama. Kushina had to stop Kurama from soloing him bee helped as well. His BSM another external factor (not his own power) All the way to RSM. Naruto wouldn't grow outside of Iruka level without Kurama even his dad knew that when sealing kurama.

Itachi's spirit weapon solo'd Nagato like a little boy unlike beggaruto (he's upgraded from fodder) and saved his life. Beggaruto could never make it past a finger Genjutsu let alone stand I front of itachi Sama.

And Nagato was chosen 1 because of uzumaki relationship to Senju and number 2 easier to manipulate a boy in a war torn country who knows nothing of his origins. Nagato without rinnegan is like an average kid admittedly with strong life force.

Itachi and Sasuke are still elite without sharingan having the chakra and spirutual energy of the sage. Meaning ninjutsu mastery and Genjutsu mastery is in their future. Itachi was elite long before his sharingan as Uchiha are 1 of the reasons Orochimaru covets an Uchiha body and not an uzumaki 1.

Naruto would live 1/2 as long as Nagato wholly they'd live to old age (you know powerful lifeforce of the uzumaki and that). Nagato would become strong(probably as strong as an unknown uzumaki) Naruto not so much so him being chunin level and that like Hinata he could push tokubetsu jonin at beast like Ebisu.

I've never seen a body of text be so wrong in a long time.

Kids these days..

 

[salamander uchiha]

I've never seen a body of text be so wrong in a long time.

Kids these days..

Mangafacts if you disagree with the facts bring evidence to disprove each on a point by point basis.
Fap boys these days...

 

[davidou]

Distant cousin is off shot from the main. It's like 1 brother going out having his children then they become a clan. They'd be a branch of a tree. The trunk the Senju a branch the uzumaki.

Anyway Uchiha are fodder that I agree with

You are so wrong, kid.
You missed again the opportunity to shut your mouth.

 

[salamander uchiha]

You are so wrong, kid.
You missed again the opportunity to shut your mouth.

Mangafacts son of you disagree post scans. Anyway I've had enough of the :salt:y zealots they fap all day and then report posts because they can't rebut mangafacts.
I addressed all the issues but the :salt:ier one couldn't stomach it so the last posts got deleted.

 

[To Whatever]

Mangafacts if you disagree with the facts bring evidence to disprove each on a point by point basis.
Fap boys these days...

I wasn't talking about the content. The grammatical errors and lack of punctuation and periods. made me not want to read it.

 

[Nick01]

damn still in denial and making up fanfic.

You are such a child. XD
Do you actually believe the things you type? You need help. Femme must be proud for raising you to spew such fanfic daily, then when you get slapped with reality, your denial defense mechanism acts up.

Comparing Uzumaki foddermaki's death to Hashirama's.

Nope. I'm comparing what they have in common and that's being killed off in the story by unknowns. Keep calling them fodder, you're just making the rest of the clans look worse i.e Uchiha, Senju, Sarutobi etc.

A one man army dies and nobody knows how that's his level and the manga attests to his unrivalled power.

So because nobody knows how he died, that's his level? Lmfao!
I could just as easily use your logic and say nobody knows the circumstance of the Uzumaki's destruction and that's their level and the manga attests to their devastating potential in sealing techs along with their OP bodies.
Your train of thought is really skewed huh?
Where's the rest of the Senju clan though?

Foddermaki get killed by an unknown even the survivirs dont know who did it. They were their yheir parents were theit they tan away like cowards I stead of stay and fight like warriors. Comparing an irrelevant clan to the Senju especially Hahsirama.

Who's the foddermaki?
Anyway the Uzumaki's wouldn't know exactly who did it, because it was a coordinated attack made by several other formidable clans. So distinguishing them would be difficult. Let's face it, had the Uchiha's lived on their own away from the leaf village, they too would be targeted and destroyed. You want to talk tough and say they ran like cowards instead of staying to fight like warriors?(also check your spelling and word placement bruh, it's pitiful) Let's take a look at your fav clan, shall we?

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Instead of fighting to the bitter end like warriors, they surrendered like cowards. Puts them in even more shame than the Uzumaki. :lol
The Uzumaki are up there in relevancy to the Senju, Uchiha, Hyuga, Sarutobi, etc. Don't kid yourself and exclude them just because you're butthurt and you dislike them.

The manga made it clear who the 2 strongest clans are and foddermaki weren't mentioned among them. Now from this point I will stop referring to them as foddermaki (I know they're not fodder but they're certainly not top tier).

I never denied who the strongest clans were. The Senju being stronger than the Uchiha.
Others clans with power also weren't mention alongside them, that doesn't mean they themselves weren't strong. It's just your bias clouding you to no end. Excluding them like that, I could do the same and say the top 2 clans are the Ootsustuki and the Senju. Leaving the Uchiha behind, but I'm not biased like you. They're top tier with promising potential, judging from the few Uzumaki we've seen despite them receiving little to no panel time. Hell, the Hyuga probably got more screen time than them.

Now the Uzumaki had "hax sealing jutsu" yet they didn't help them.

That's because they could've just been late bloomers and eventually would've became one of the strongest. Their sealing techs didn't help them survive the attack, most likely because they were overwhelmed by the sheer numbers that were going against them.

They never became famous or were mentioned because of them during the warring clans era and or 3 great wars(the has obviously wasn't helping).

Wrong. They were garnering fame, but before becoming greater threats to others, they were taken out.
Study this page well this time. Seriously. You wouldn't be saying what you're saying if you did.

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Naruto earnt his power ups through beggar no jutsu.

Completely and utter fanfic. If you read the manga, you know damn well that this isn't true.

Sasuke on the other hand, you could say that for him.

I'll tell you what if Naruto wasn't a host to the 9 tails and that hax sealing jutsu wasn't adding kurama's chakra to his increasing his reserves or the strength of his chakra And recovery speed. He'd have Iruka level chakra reserves (average like Kakashi's also) maybe he's be a different type of ninja.

The amount of Kurama's chakra being fused with Naruto was minuscule at best and I doubt it was raising his reserves to a high level. Let's not forget that what Naruto would gain from not being the jin, would almost even things out. He wouldn't be wasting nearly as much chakra as he usually does on his jutsu's.

Every time Naruto drew on kurama's chakra his reserves went up (increased chakra capacity) he didn't earn shit like in the chunin exam his own chakra wasn't enough to summon Bunta he used the 9 tails chakra. After that he gained chakra reserves to summon Bunta a few chapters later.

Every time he drew on Kurama's chakra, his reserves didn't go up permanently. After using the chakra, his reserves remain at the same, before drawing said chakra. It's a temporary boost. When you say he didn't earn shit, are you saying he didn't train? Really?
Are you forgetting his month of training with Jiraiya? He trained to draw on the chakra of Kurama and also learned how to walk on water. Get that "Naruto didn't earn shit" mentality outta here, because you know damn well that's not true.

All of Narutos feats are dependant upon external power ups. He is fodder is so immense Minato had to stop him from relaxing kurama. Kushina had to stop Kurama from soloing him bee helped as well.

You just keep on spewing BS, huh. Every single Naruto feat is well earned unlike the Uchiha, who get things on a silver platter. Naruto's hatred(influenced by Kurama btw) is what lead to him almost releasing Kurama. Naruto was doing well against Kurama, but being the most powerful tailed beast, it was tough, so sure he had some help, but others wouldn't have done as well as him.

His BSM another external factor (not his own power) All the way to RSM. Naruto wouldn't grow outside of Iruka level without Kurama even his dad knew that when sealing kurama.

Wrong. BM (SM is all Naruto) is Naruto's chakra merging with Kurama's and it's impossible without them having some kind of relationship. That's right, Naruto took away Kurama's hatred and for the first time actually used it's full power. He "earned that power" no matter how pathetically you want to thing otherwise, that's what happened. And no his reserves w/o Kurama, would be at least Kakashi lvl. He'd also have greater CC since birth. Meaning he'd be a genius(even greater than Sasuke and Neji).
Possible techs Naruto would more than likely possess by taking Kurama out of the story :
Sage Mode
FTG
Rasengan
A second Nature affinity next to Wind
Impressive Chakra Control
Toad Summonings
Hax Sealing techs taught by his Mom
OP wind techs
etc etc
See even without Kurama he'd still be a very powerful Shinobi and if we exclude all handouts/external power, he'd still completely wreck Sasuke, who'd be far weaker.

Itachi's spirit weapon solo'd Nagato like a little boy unlike beggaruto (he's upgraded from fodder) and saved his life. Beggaruto could never make it past a finger Genjutsu let alone stand I front of itachi Sama.

Except that Nagato was not in control of his own body and couldn't use his power to it's full potential. If he could, he'd wreck Itachi. Also I have no clue who beggaruto is, however Naruto is extremely OP. He'd also baby shake Itachi low diff. Lol Itachi would get blitz like fodder.

And Nagato was chosen 1 because of uzumaki relationship to Senju and number 2 easier to manipulate a boy in a war torn country who knows nothing of his origins. Nagato without rinnegan is like an average kid admittedly with strong life force.

Wrong again. (Must be a record)
Madara chose him, precisely because he was an Uzumaki and knew how capable Uzumaki's are. You talk about him being easier to manipulate when Uchiha's while line(Indra's) have been easily manipulate left and right via BZ. Nagato w/o the Rinnegan would still be High Tier thanks to being Uzumaki and without the Rinnegan draining him, his reserves would skyrocket, especially because Obito(an Uchiha) could merely handle 1 eye and 2 would be way too much.

Itachi and Sasuke are still elite without sharingan having the chakra and spirutual energy of the sage. Meaning ninjutsu mastery and Genjutsu mastery is in their future. Itachi was elite long before his sharingan as Uchiha are 1 of the reasons Orochimaru covets an Uchiha body and not an uzumaki 1.

Nope, they'd be average at best w/o the Sharingan. Or as you would put it, Iruka level.
Orochimaru targeted the Uchiha because of the Sharingan, not the Uchiha body. He wanted an Uchiha body, because only the original owner of a pair of Sharingan could use it to it's max potential. Read the Manga. Seriously, you're in need of being more informed. It feels like I'm talking to a child.

Naruto would live 1/2 as long as Nagato wholly they'd live to old age (you know powerful lifeforce of the uzumaki and that). Nagato would become strong(probably as strong as an unknown uzumaki) Naruto not so much so him being chunin level and that like Hinata he could push tokubetsu jonin at beast like Ebisu.

Nope. Naruto would potentially live as long. Nagato's life force might be stronger, but Naruto is an Ashura incarnate(like Hashirama) already giving him promising possibilities. Naruto would still make it to Kage tier and Hinata is currently the most powerful Kunoichi alive.

GG

Stay salty.

 

[salamander uchiha]

You are such a child. XD
Do you actually believe the things you type? You need help. Femme must be proud for raising you to spew such fanfic daily, then when you get slapped with reality, your denial defense mechanism acts up.



Nope. I'm comparing what they have in common and that's being killed off in the story by unknowns. Keep calling them fodder, you're just making the rest of the clans look worse i.e Uchiha, Senju, Sarutobi etc.



So because nobody knows how he died, that's his level? Lmfao!
I could just as easily use your logic and say nobody knows the circumstance of the Uzumaki's destruction and that's their level and the manga attests to their devastating potential in sealing techs along with their OP bodies.
Your train of thought is really skewed huh?
Where's the rest of the Senju clan though?



Who's the foddermaki?
Anyway the Uzumaki's wouldn't know exactly who did it, because it was a coordinated attack made by several other formidable clans. So distinguishing them would be difficult. Let's face it, had the Uchiha's lived on their own away from the leaf village, they too would be targeted and destroyed. You want to talk tough and say they ran like cowards instead of staying to fight like warriors?(also check your spelling and word placement bruh, it's pitiful) Let's take a look at your fav clan, shall we?

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Instead of fighting to the bitter end like warriors, they surrendered like cowards. Puts them in even more shame than the Uzumaki. :lol
The Uzumaki are up there in relevancy to the Senju, Uchiha, Hyuga, Sarutobi, etc. Don't kid yourself and exclude them just because you're butthurt and you dislike them.



I never denied who the strongest clans were. The Senju being stronger than the Uchiha.
Others clans with power also weren't mention alongside them, that doesn't mean they themselves weren't strong. It's just your bias clouding you to no end. Excluding them like that, I could do the same and say the top 2 clans are the Ootsustuki and the Senju. Leaving the Uchiha behind, but I'm not biased like you. They're top tier with promising potential, judging from the few Uzumaki we've seen despite them receiving little to no panel time. Hell, the Hyuga probably got more screen time than them.



That's because they could've just been late bloomers and eventually would've became one of the strongest. Their sealing techs didn't help them survive the attack, most likely because they were overwhelmed by the sheer numbers that were going against them.



Wrong. They were garnering fame, but before becoming greater threats to others, they were taken out.
Study this page well this time. Seriously. You wouldn't be saying what you're saying if you did.

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Completely and utter fanfic. If you read the manga, you know damn well that this isn't true.

Sasuke on the other hand, you could say that for him.




The amount of Kurama's chakra being fused with Naruto was minuscule at best and I doubt it was raising his reserves to a high level. Let's not forget that what Naruto would gain from not being the jin, would almost even things out. He wouldn't be wasting nearly as much chakra as he usually does on his jutsu's.



Every time he drew on Kurama's chakra, his reserves didn't go up permanently. After using the chakra, his reserves remain at the same, before drawing said chakra. It's a temporary boost. When you say he didn't earn shit, are you saying he didn't train? Really?
Are you forgetting his month of training with Jiraiya? He trained to draw on the chakra of Kurama and also learned how to walk on water. Get that "Naruto didn't earn shit" mentality outta here, because you know damn well that's not true.



You just keep on spewing BS, huh. Every single Naruto feat is well earned unlike the Uchiha, who get things on a silver platter. Naruto's hatred(influenced by Kurama btw) is what lead to him almost releasing Kurama. Naruto was doing well against Kurama, but being the most powerful tailed beast, it was tough, so sure he had some help, but others wouldn't have done as well as him.


Wrong. BM (SM is all Naruto) is Naruto's chakra merging with Kurama's and it's impossible without them having some kind of relationship. That's right, Naruto took away Kurama's hatred and for the first time actually used it's full power. He "earned that power" no matter how pathetically you want to thing otherwise, that's what happened. And no his reserves w/o Kurama, would be at least Kakashi lvl. He'd also have greater CC since birth. Meaning he'd be a genius(even greater than Sasuke and Neji).
Possible techs Naruto would more than likely possess by taking Kurama out of the story :
Sage Mode
FTG
Rasengan
A second Nature affinity next to Wind
Impressive Chakra Control
Toad Summonings
Hax Sealing techs taught by his Mom
OP wind techs
etc etc
See even without Kurama he'd still be a very powerful Shinobi and if we exclude all handouts/external power, he'd still completely wreck Sasuke, who'd be far weaker.


Except that Nagato was not in control of his own body and couldn't use his power to it's full potential. If he could, he'd wreck Itachi. Also I have no clue who beggaruto is, however Naruto is extremely OP. He'd also baby shake Itachi low diff. Lol Itachi would get blitz like fodder.

Wrong again. (Must be a record)
Madara chose him, precisely because he was an Uzumaki and knew how capable Uzumaki's are. You talk about him being easier to manipulate when Uchiha's while line(Indra's) have been easily manipulate left and right via BZ. Nagato w/o the Rinnegan would still be High Tier thanks to being Uzumaki and without the Rinnegan draining him, his reserves would skyrocket, especially because Obito(an Uchiha) could merely handle 1 eye and 2 would be way too much.



Nope, they'd be average at best w/o the Sharingan. Or as you would put it, Iruka level.
Orochimaru targeted the Uchiha because of the Sharingan, not the Uchiha body. He wanted an Uchiha body, because only the original owner of a pair of Sharingan could use it to it's max potential. Read the Manga. Seriously, you're in need of being more informed. It feels like I'm talking to a child.


Nope. Naruto would potentially live as long. Nagato's life force might be stronger, but Naruto is an Ashura incarnate(like Hashirama) already giving him promising possibilities. Naruto would still make it to Kage tier and Hinata is currently the most powerful Kunoichi alive.

GG

Stay salty.

So nothing but fanfic to back up your claims maybe's and what ifs. Ignoring mangafacts to back your fanfics.
Naruto without any handouts equals Iruka level stamina and ability he could possibly touch Ebisu level tokubetsu jonin.
Naruto=No yang chakra, No healing ability, no stamina boost. We saw Narutos lifeforce when Madara ripped out Kurama he was near dead instantly. Kushina a full uzumaki was still able to use jutsu and all sorts. So that's out of the question.
Wind nature (at c rank B rank in several years time)
Shadow clone hardly any
Rasengan yes but like Kakashi's level
Maybe other jutsu

Sasuke would have sharingan but let's exclude that. Even without the eyes he was a prodigy (Orochimaru coveted him)
He's still have spiritual energy (Genjutsu etc) and chakra of the sage meaning multiple elemental potential. Coupled with Bakijutsu. So without sharingan he'd be above kakashi level (Indra being a natural genious) and above.
I'm going to end it with this scan now if you have 1 confirming the strength of any clan rivalling this 1. If like to see it since the Uchiha even with isolation were famous around the world and why wouldn't they be. Scans not fanfic

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[Nick01]

So nothing but fanfic to back up your claims maybe's and what ifs. Ignoring mangafacts to back your fanfics.

Uhh what? That's what you've been doing since joining this site. You have absolutely no proof to say :
That the Uzumaki were a fodder clan.
Naruto would be fodder w/o the Nine Tails.
Naruto's chakra reserves would be Iruka lvl.
Nagato would be average.
and so much more.

Everything you've been saying has been pure speculation w/ nothing but maybe's and what ifs to back up your ridiculous fanfic garbage posts. Twisting things to your narrative, because you're too butthurt to admit that what you say is untrue and can't factually be proved.

Naruto without any handouts equals Iruka level stamina and ability he could possibly touch Ebisu level tokubetsu join.

Yet you can't prove that. You have absolutely no idea what his level would be, whether it'd be Iruka, Kakashi or Jiraiya level. It's pure fanfic and you know it.

Naruto=No yang chakra, No healing ability, no stamina boost. We saw Narutos lifeforce when Madara ripped out Kurama he was near dead instantly. Kushina a full uzumaki was still able to use jutsu and all sorts. So that's out of the question.

He's Ashura's incarnate, he'd still possess Yang Chakra.
He wasn't a pure bred like Kushina, but he didn't die instantly like other Jins. Gaara(a formidable Shinobi) died as soon as Shukaku was extracted from him, yet Naruto held on. A Naruto w/o Kurama doesn't exist, so that's out of the question. Taking Kurama out changes the story and no one truly knows how Naruto would turn out. For all we know, instead of Kurama, Naruto by the writer could've be given a hax KKG like Hashirama's.

Wind nature (at c rank B rank in several years time)
Shadow clone hardly any
Rasengan yes but like Kakashi's level
Maybe other jutsu

Can't be proven.
I could just as easily say :
Wind Nature(More OP Variety)
Shadow Clones(Not nearly as much, but he'd use them better)
Rasengan(Room for experiment, creating new variations)
Tons of other useful jutsu.

Sasuke would have sharingan but let's exclude that. Even without the eyes he was a prodigy (Orochimaru coveted him)
He's still have spiritual energy (Genjutsu etc) and chakra of the sage meaning multiple elemental potential. Coupled with Bakijutsu. So without sharingan he'd be above kakashi level (Indra being a natural genious) and above.

Sasuke without the Sharingan wouldn't be nearly as strong, which is why the only time he doesn't use the Sharingan is against Fodders. His power stems from his eyes, which is why Orochimaru wanted him and only with those eyes could he learn even broader range of jutsu. Still everything you stated right there is pure speculation and for all we know, the exact opposite could happen instead.

I'm going to end it with this scan now if you have 1 confirming the strength of any clan rivalling this 1. If like to see it since the Uchiha even with isolation were famous around the world and why wouldn't they be. Scans not fanfic

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The ongoing feud of the Senju and Uchiha made them known. Madara and Hashirama in particular. They even got statues of themselves placed in VOTE. Yes like other clans, they were famous because of their blood line, which is the Sharingan. Itachi lied though, since the Senju were stated to being the superior clan. A scan isn't necessary to prove this, since you should know. However if you still want them, I'll gladly provide. Furthermore, excluding Sasuke, Madara is the strongest Uchiha to live and Hashirama is the strongest Senju to live. Itachi is clearly inferior to both of them.
Also at that moment you can't really call it a clan, since there were less than 5 people alive that were Uchiha's when Itachi was talking to Kakashi. You also can't deny that the Uchiha's have the most screen out of all of the clans that exist and like I've stated before, the Uzumaki's were late bloomers, but were garnering fame themselves. However they were taken out before they could become a big threat.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Uhh what? That's what you've been doing since joining this site. You have absolutely no proof to say :
That the Uzumaki were a fodder clan.
Naruto would be fodder w/o the Nine Tails.
Naruto's chakra reserves would be Iruka lvl.
Nagato would be average.
and so much more.

Everything you've been saying has been pure speculation w/ nothing but maybe's and what ifs to back up your ridiculous fanfic garbage posts. Twisting things to your narrative, because you're too butthurt to admit that what you say is untrue and can't factually be proved.


Yet you can't prove that. You have absolutely no idea what his level would be, whether it'd be Iruka, Kakashi or Jiraiya level. It's pure fanfic and you know it.


He's Ashura's incarnate, he'd still possess Yang Chakra.
He wasn't a pure bred like Kushina, but he didn't die instantly like other Jins. Gaara(a formidable Shinobi) died as soon as Shukaku was extracted from him, yet Naruto held on. A Naruto w/o Kurama doesn't exist, so that's out of the question. Taking Kurama out changes the story and no one truly knows how Naruto would turn out. For all we know, instead of Kurama, Naruto by the writer could've be given a hax KKG like Hashirama's.



Can't be proven.
I could just as easily say :
Wind Nature(More OP Variety)
Shadow Clones(Not nearly as much, but he'd use them better)
Rasengan(Room for experiment, creating new variations)
Tons of other useful jutsu.



Sasuke without the Sharingan wouldn't be nearly as strong, which is why the only time he doesn't use the Sharingan is against Fodders. His power stems from his eyes, which is why Orochimaru wanted him and only with those eyes could he learn even broader range of jutsu. Still everything you stated right there is pure speculation and for all we know, the exact opposite could happen instead.



The ongoing feud of the Senju and Uchiha made them known. Madara and Hashirama in particular. They even got statues of themselves placed in VOTE. Yes like other clans, they were famous because of their blood line, which is the Sharingan. Itachi lied though, since the Senju were stated to being the superior clan. A scan isn't necessary to prove this, since you should know. However if you still want them, I'll gladly provide. Furthermore, excluding Sasuke, Madara is the strongest Uchiha to live and Hashirama is the strongest Senju to live. Itachi is clearly inferior to both of them.
Also at that moment you can't really call it a clan, since there were less than 5 people alive that were Uchiha's when Itachi was talking to Kakashi. You also can't deny that the Uchiha's have the most screen out of all of the clans that exist and like I've stated before, the Uzumaki's were late bloomers, but were garnering fame themselves. However they were taken out before they could become a big threat.

So no mangafacts then or scans to back your fanfic up.
Point 1. The uzumaki are famous for longevity and use fuinn jutsu which anybody can learn(Minato, Sarutobi to name a few). Mangafacts

Point 2. The Uzumaki aren't famous never were I bash them because people(Nick01) false hypes them equating them to elite clans.

Point 2. Naruto's reserves and abilities come from kurama and the 4ths sealing style allowing kuramas chakra to mix with Naruto's being it's hos, gives him endurance faster recovery, healing. He has 0 yang release without it even his lifeforce is weak he was pretty much dead from kurama extraction kushina wasn't these are mangafacts.

Point 4. Iruka level reserves are reasonable they're about the same as Kakashi's the reason I don't say kakashi is because you may assume he'd be as skilled as kakashi. Mangafacts (Naruto's chakra rises after he uses kyubi chakra couldn't summon bunt with his own used kyubi chakra the following day he summons Bunta normally ).

Point 3. Without Rinnegan Nagato would've been dead (yahiko incident if konoha nin didn't kill him to cover their tracks). Mangafacts

Point 4. Nagato only displays rinnegan abilities and relies heavily on it. Mangafacts

Point 5. Nagato was a side character Yahiko was the leader even with Rinnegan he remained as such so without it he'd be dead if he wasn't he'd be a lesser character. Mangafacts

Point 6. Naruto would be a different type of character without kurama. Maybe even intelligent (opinion ). Naruto being haxx is fanfic.

Point 7. The Uchiha and Senju were famous since th beginning even before Madara and and Hashirama. During the warring clans era they'd be hired by opposing sides locked in conflict since the time of Ashura and Indra.
They were the strongest 2 neither side was stronger than the other I suggest you read the manga again. Indra incarnates were stronger until Hashirama and some were weaker that's why Black zetsu approached the weaker 1 of both sides to encourage them to take power whenever the situation arose. Mangafacts
Number 8. The Uchiha were known after Madara because of their eyes. You claim Itachi lied yet nobody disputed it not even sharingan kakashi. Danzo even coveted Uchiha power, Orochimaru coveted Uchiha power. Tobirama too confirms the Uchuha awaken a power the senju cant rival. Mangafacts

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Uzumaki were later bloomers not a single shred of evidence for this fanfic. Neither any to show they were taken out by unknowns for this reason. They were taken out long before Madara set his plan into motion so their threat was irrelevant and nobody really gave 2 shits about them at that time. The most likely reason is they got involved in a war and we're taken out because of it by another unknown village.(opinion but reasonable if it was 1 of the big 5 it'd be known)

Everything I've said is either mangafacts or conclude through rational ecaluation everything you say is fanfic without mangafacts or databook to support it.

I wait for your mangascan that puts the Uzumaki into top tier or among the strongest clans. Or a scan that shows they were late bloomers.

 

[davidou]

Mangafacts son of you disagree post scans. Anyway I've had enough of the :salt:y zealots they fap all day and then report posts because they can't rebut mangafacts.
I addressed all the issues but the :salt:ier one couldn't stomach it so the last posts got deleted.

Uzumaki are not necessarly a branch of the Senju clan.Manga fact, stay salty.

 

[Nick01]

So no mangafacts then or scans to back your fanfic up.

It's like you didn't even read the posts. Hell it's more like you skimmed through it and decided to come up with more things for me to disprove.(pretty much what I've been doing for the entire conversation). I told you if you read the Manga, then you should already know that what I've stated is true, but would present scans to back them up if you wanted.

Point 1. The uzumaki are famous for longevity and use fuinn jutsu which anybody can learn(Minato, Sarutobi to name a few). Mangafacts

This guy.

Wrong 1. Yes they were famous for their strong life force and use in fuinjutsu. No where does it say that anybody can learn them and so far only high tiers have been able to do so( Minato, Sarutobi to name a few ). Mangafacts.
Show me a scan saying anybody can learn them.

Point 2. The Uzumaki aren't famous never were I bash them because people(Nick01) false hypes them equating them to elite clans.

Wrong 2. Why do you keep ignoring the scan I shoved in your face like 4-5 times already? Damn are you blind?
Here I'll give it to you again, since I'm a nice guy.

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"People quickly came to fear the power of our sealing techniques"
Famous meaning : Known about by many people.
If you don't get it after this, there's no hope for you.

I don't false hype them, rather they are well deserving of the hype they receive. Had they lived, they'd be up there with the top clans for sure. Face it, you bash them, because you hate the characters, which is sad tbh.

Point 2. Naruto's reserves and abilities come from kurama and the 4ths sealing style allowing kuramas chakra to mix with Naruto's being it's hos, gives him endurance faster recovery, healing. He has 0 yang release without it even his lifeforce is weak he was pretty much dead from kurama extraction kushina wasn't these are mangafacts.

Wrong 2. Naruto's reserves and abilities had little to do with Kurama in part 1. The amount of chakra that leaked from the 4ths sealing style (which is Uzumaki based btw) allowing Kurama's chakra to mix with Naruto can't be equated. For all we know, it could be minuscule at best. It was only until he befriended him and combined chakra that his reserves grew to insane amounts. The only abilities Naruto achieved through Kurama was:
Faster Recovery/Healing
Endurance(When accessing Kurama's charka after being taught by Jiraiya pre VOTE 1)
Evil intent sensing (Once gaining KCM)
Bijuu Bomb(Once undergoing BM).

You can't prove he'd have 0 yang release, unless you have a scan stating it. His life-force was weaker compared to a pure bred like Kushina. Naruto is 1/2 Uzumaki after all. Still he managed to survive for some time and didn't instantly die like Gaara did, which shows his life force is still greater than most. Mangafacts.

Point 4. Iruka level reserves are reasonable they're about the same as Kakashi's the reason I don't say kakashi is because you may assume he'd be as skilled as kakashi. Mangafacts (Naruto's chakra rises after he uses kyubi chakra couldn't summon bunt with his own used kyubi chakra the following day he summons Bunta normally ).

Wrong 4. Scans stating Iruka's reserves were the same as Kakashi's? Enough with your fanfics.
Naruto's skill 'would' surpass that of Kakashi. One of the most valuable things Naruto would acquire from not being the Jin of Kurama, is a greater knack for Chakra Control at a young age, allowing him to master more jutsu easier. Mangafacts.
Naruto's chakra temporarily rises after accessing some of the Kyubi's chakra, you could tell from the red coloring differentiating it from Naruto's blue chakra. I don't know where you're getting your info from, but Naruto summoned him twice in part 1. In both instances, he used Kurama's chakra. Jiraiya told him he could access it after having exhausted all of his own chakra. That happened against Neji and against Gaara.

Point 3. Without Rinnegan Nagato would've been dead (yahiko incident if konoha nin didn't kill him to cover their tracks). Mangafacts

Wrong 3. Yet you can't prove that. We don't know what would've happened if Nagato didn't possess the Rinnegan. He's the one who killed them after all. Mangafacts.

Point 4. Nagato only displays rinnegan abilities and relies heavily on it. Mangafacts

Wrong 4. If you have a powerful weapon in possession, why not use it? I could say the same for Madara, Obito, Kakashi, etc. They relied on specific powers that they could never attain on their own. It's because he's an Uzumaki that he's able to handle it so well, unlike other Uchiha. (Obito who stated 2 eyes would be too much for him) Mangafacts.

Point 5. Nagato was a side character Yahiko was the leader even with Rinnegan he remained as such so without it he'd be dead if he wasn't he'd be a lesser character. Mangafacts

Wrong 5. There's a difference between being a leader and possessing power. Nagato still became a leader after Yahiko's death and I've already said that you have no idea what kind of character Nagato would be without the Rinnegan. So no, he would be much of a lesser character, for all we know he could've awoken the Adamantine Chains, which are pretty OP. Mangafacts.

Point 6. Naruto would be a different type of character without kurama. Maybe even intelligent (opinion ). Naruto being haxx is fanfic.

Wrong/Right 6. Naruto would indeed be a different character without Kurama. Also gain great intellect. His potential to be hax would still be there though and isn't out of the question. He wouldn't be up there with the JJ's though if that's what you mean.

Point 7. The Uchiha and Senju were famous since th beginning even before Madara and and Hashirama. During the warring clans era they'd be hired by opposing sides locked in conflict since the time of Ashura and Indra.
They were the strongest 2 neither side was stronger than the other I suggest you read the manga again.

Wrong 7. I didn't deny they were famous since the beginning. They were pretty even, until Hashirama broke the balance. He's been stated and proven to being the superior and more powerful Shinobi. The Uchiha were second to the Senju. It's in the manga, which you should pick up on it again if you don't believe me.

Indra incarnates were stronger until Hashirama and some were weaker that's why Black zetsu approached the weaker 1 of both sides to encourage them to take power whenever the situation arose. Mangafacts

No where does it state the Indra incarnates were stronger nor that Black Zetsu approached the weaker side to encourage them to take power. Rather it was stated that BZ tried both sides, but failed repeatedly until he finally succeeded with Madara. Mangafacts

Number 8. The Uchiha were known after Madara because of their eyes. You claim Itachi lied yet nobody disputed it not even sharingan kakashi. Danzo even coveted Uchiha power, Orochimaru coveted Uchiha power. Tobirama too confirms the Uchuha awaken a power the senju cant rival. Mangafacts

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If that's so why has it been stated that the Senju were superior. Not only stated but proven as well. The strongest Uchiha of all time(excluding Sasuke) repeatedly failed at defeating Hashirama. Even after gaining his brothers eyes, unlocking EMS. Even after using Kurama in their final fight. Yet in the scan Itachi states otherwise? He states that the Uchiha is the most powerful clan. I can understand why he said that, since he nor anyone else realized what kind of powerhouses Hashirama and Madara were. Even Tsunade couldn't believe, after witnessing PS, that Hashirama could fight against someone as powerful as Madara.

Uzumaki were later bloomers not a single shred of evidence for this fanfic. Neither any to show they were taken out by unknowns for this reason.

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They were taken out long before Madara set his plan into motion so their threat was irrelevant and nobody really gave 2 shits about them at that time. The most likely reason is they got involved in a war and we're taken out because of it by another unknown village.(opinion but reasonable if it was 1 of the big 5 it'd be known)

Wrong again. It depends when you think Madara set his plan into motion. Either right after his fight w/ Hashirama or after he died and left things to Obito. If it's the first, then you're wrong since The Uzumaki clan was taken out after Kushina was brought to the leaf. If it's the second then you're right since the Uzumaki was no more once he left things to Obito. Had they lived, their thread would indeed be relevant. Also you dead ass wrong about nobody giving 2 shit about them, since both Hashi and Minato married an Uzumaki. Also the Uzumaki symbol was added to Konoha's flak jackets. Them getting into a war wasn't the reason for them being taken out. Their sealing techs were feared and others banded together to take them out since they were becoming too powerful.

Everything I've said is either mangafacts or conclude through rational ecaluation everything you say is fanfic without mangafacts or databook to support it.

It's the complete opposite actually. It's just you twisting what's in the manga to your narrative(turning it into fanfic in the process). Everything I've stated is either mangafact and/or factually possible based on what's already there. You're just too delusional to comprehend it and your bias clouds your judgement beyond belief, basically completely ignoring my posts and coming up with more B.S for me to shut down. Simple as that.

I wait for your mangascan that puts the Uzumaki into top tier or among the strongest clans. Or a scan that shows they were late bloomers.

I already displayed proof above in this post, so go check them out to your hearts content. If you still want to deny the truth, then there is no hope for such a lost cause.

 

[Michael]

Hashirama Uzumaki has a nice ring to it.

 

[salamander uchiha]

It's like you didn't even read the posts. Hell it's more like you skimmed through it and decided to come up with more things for me to disprove.(pretty much what I've been doing for the entire conversation). I told you if you read the Manga, then you should already know that what I've stated is true, but would present scans to back them up if you wanted.



This guy.

Wrong 1. Yes they were famous for their strong life force and use in fuinjutsu. No where does it say that anybody can learn them and so far only high tiers have been able to do so( Minato, Sarutobi to name a few ). Mangafacts.
Show me a scan saying anybody can learn them.



Wrong 2. Why do you keep ignoring the scan I shoved in your face like 4-5 times already? Damn are you blind?
Here I'll give it to you again, since I'm a nice guy.

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"People quickly came to fear the power of our sealing techniques"
Famous meaning : Known about by many people.
If you don't get it after this, there's no hope for you.

I don't false hype them, rather they are well deserving of the hype they receive. Had they lived, they'd be up there with the top clans for sure. Face it, you bash them, because you hate the characters, which is sad tbh.



Wrong 2. Naruto's reserves and abilities had little to do with Kurama in part 1. The amount of chakra that leaked from the 4ths sealing style (which is Uzumaki based btw) allowing Kurama's chakra to mix with Naruto can't be equated. For all we know, it could be minuscule at best. It was only until he befriended him and combined chakra that his reserves grew to insane amounts. The only abilities Naruto achieved through Kurama was:
Faster Recovery/Healing
Endurance(When accessing Kurama's charka after being taught by Jiraiya pre VOTE 1)
Evil intent sensing (Once gaining KCM)
Bijuu Bomb(Once undergoing BM).

You can't prove he'd have 0 yang release, unless you have a scan stating it. His life-force was weaker compared to a pure bred like Kushina. Naruto is 1/2 Uzumaki after all. Still he managed to survive for some time and didn't instantly die like Gaara did, which shows his life force is still greater than most. Mangafacts.



Wrong 4. Scans stating Iruka's reserves were the same as Kakashi's? Enough with your fanfics.
Naruto's skill 'would' surpass that of Kakashi. One of the most valuable things Naruto would acquire from not being the Jin of Kurama, is a greater knack for Chakra Control at a young age, allowing him to master more jutsu easier. Mangafacts.
Naruto's chakra temporarily rises after accessing some of the Kyubi's chakra, you could tell from the red coloring differentiating it from Naruto's blue chakra. I don't know where you're getting your info from, but Naruto summoned him twice in part 1. In both instances, he used Kurama's chakra. Jiraiya told him he could access it after having exhausted all of his own chakra. That happened against Neji and against Gaara.




Wrong 3. Yet you can't prove that. We don't know what would've happened if Nagato didn't possess the Rinnegan. He's the one who killed them after all. Mangafacts.



Wrong 4. If you have a powerful weapon in possession, why not use it? I could say the same for Madara, Obito, Kakashi, etc. They relied on specific powers that they could never attain on their own. It's because he's an Uzumaki that he's able to handle it so well, unlike other Uchiha. (Obito who stated 2 eyes would be too much for him) Mangafacts.



Wrong 5. There's a difference between being a leader and possessing power. Nagato still became a leader after Yahiko's death and I've already said that you have no idea what kind of character Nagato would be without the Rinnegan. So no, he would be much of a lesser character, for all we know he could've awoken the Adamantine Chains, which are pretty OP. Mangafacts.



Wrong/Right 6. Naruto would indeed be a different character without Kurama. Also gain great intellect. His potential to be hax would still be there though and isn't out of the question. He wouldn't be up there with the JJ's though if that's what you mean.



Wrong 7. I didn't deny they were famous since the beginning. They were pretty even, until Hashirama broke the balance. He's been stated and proven to being the superior and more powerful Shinobi. The Uchiha were second to the Senju. It's in the manga, which you should pick up on it again if you don't believe me.



No where does it state the Indra incarnates were stronger nor that Black Zetsu approached the weaker side to encourage them to take power. Rather it was stated that BZ tried both sides, but failed repeatedly until he finally succeeded with Madara. Mangafacts



If that's so why has it been stated that the Senju were superior. Not only stated but proven as well. The strongest Uchiha of all time(excluding Sasuke) repeatedly failed at defeating Hashirama. Even after gaining his brothers eyes, unlocking EMS. Even after using Kurama in their final fight. Yet in the scan Itachi states otherwise? He states that the Uchiha is the most powerful clan. I can understand why he said that, since he nor anyone else realized what kind of powerhouses Hashirama and Madara were. Even Tsunade couldn't believe, after witnessing PS, that Hashirama could fight against someone as powerful as Madara.

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Wrong again. It depends when you think Madara set his plan into motion. Either right after his fight w/ Hashirama or after he died and left things to Obito. If it's the first, then you're wrong since The Uzumaki clan was taken out after Kushina was brought to the leaf. If it's the second then you're right since the Uzumaki was no more once he left things to Obito. Had they lived, their thread would indeed be relevant. Also you dead ass wrong about nobody giving 2 shit about them, since both Hashi and Minato married an Uzumaki. Also the Uzumaki symbol was added to Konoha's flak jackets. Them getting into a war wasn't the reason for them being taken out. Their sealing techs were feared and others banded together to take them out since they were becoming too powerful.



It's the complete opposite actually. It's just you twisting what's in the manga to your narrative(turning it into fanfic in the process). Everything I've stated is either mangafact and/or factually possible based on what's already there. You're just too delusional to comprehend it and your bias clouds your judgement beyond belief, basically completely ignoring my posts and coming up with more B.S for me to shut down. Simple as that.



I already displayed proof above in this post, so go check them out to your hearts content. If you still want to deny the truth, then there is no hope for such a lost cause.

I could quote the whole text and go over everything again but I can't be bothered. All I'm going to say is sealing jutsu aren't kekkei genkai anybody can learn them provided they have the skill to do it. Minato and Hiruzen learnt them because kushina taught them all you need is a teacher.
Nagato survived because of the rinnegan. Kakashi reached those heights because he was a prodigy Naruto wasn't so he'd reach Ebisu level. Nowhere does it say the Uzumaki were overwhelmed by sheer number or they were top tier.
These are mangafacts I'll spell it out for you Naruto used Kurama's chakra to summon Bunta the next day he summoned it with normal chakra. He increased his chakra capacity when he drew on it. That's manga facts so that does happen your in denial. Uzumaki village was taken out because Nagato was in the land of rain a puppet for Madara to use.
And I can't be bothered repeating myself so you can have your fapping.

 

[lndra]

no m8