Perfect Jinchuriki's aren't so perfect.

[whiteboy2345]

Whenever you mention Yagura, people talk about how Yagura didn't have a perfect relationship with his beast. Now, remember when the concept of perfect Jinchuriki was covered by Bee? He says that a perfect Jinchuriki is immune to genjutsu because the Tailed Beast will simply break the host out of it. Now, Yagura is considered a perfect Jinchuriki just like Bee, meaning they both are in a good relationship with their tenant.

Since Yagura and Bee are put into the same classification.

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It's safe to say that even Bee can be controlled. Now I'll tell you why this is possible. Remember when Sasuke entered Naruto's mind? If he could do that once more, and simply control both the host and the tenant at once, it puts the entire Jinchuriki under complete control.

So, I hope I've settled this idea of Perfect Jinchuriki's being immune, because they clearly aren't, there's always a workaround to something as Itachi stated in the manga.

 

[SenseiSama]

I get what you mean, 'perfect' refers to someone that can control bijuu chakra, but that's the most basic feat. By definition Naruto should be the only perfect Jin because he's the only one that attained the highest form of Jinchuuriki, BSM.

 

[Tyris]

Didn't read past title.

He Who Cannot Be Soloed>2Pj's

Good thread.

Ty & m'Lord Crow solos

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Sasuke had the rinnegan genjutsu which he chose to cast on nine of the bijuus but never dared to do the same against Naruto. So they're immune.

Yagura was made the jin after Obito was converted by Madara considering the three tails (Isobu) was sealed inside Rin at the time when she died. So my guess would be Isobu was already under control of Obito or Madara when Yagura was made a jin and he was a perfect jin only because he was conrolled by Obito/Madara alongside Isobu.

 

[Tyris]

I get what you mean, 'perfect' refers to someone that can control bijuu chakra, but that's the most basic feat. By definition Naruto should be the only perfect Jin because he's the only one that attained the highest form of Jinchuuriki, BSM.

You dumb? I know you're not but that was dumb.

The highest form of a jin' is PJ... Sage mode being added is awesome and one hell of a feat but it is not at all, never has been and never will be apart of the traditional jin' pool.

He was able to add it(SM) to his already existing PJ form.

Octopops octopots a few times maybe and proceeds to neg

 

[Styles]

No one is immune to genjutsu not even perfect jins.

 

[whiteboy2345]

Sasuke had the rinnegan genjutsu which he chose to cast on nine of the bijuus but never dared to do the same against Naruto. So they're immune.

Yagura was made the jin after Obito was converted by Madara considering the three tails (Isobu) was sealed inside Rin at the time when she died. So my guess would be Isobu was already under control of Obito or Madara when Yagura was made a jin and he was a perfect jin only because he was conrolled by Obito/Madara alongside Isobu.

By your logic since I've never dared shoot someone, they can't die from being shot.

Your second part is completely made up, you have no evidence, merely speculation. Madara makes it quite clear he could not leave the base he was in, which is another inconsistency on the part of Kishimoto concerning the fact that he controlled the Mist ANBU. Madara couldn't control Yagura and if he could, once he died the genjutsu would have waned. By the time Obito controlled Yagura, whatever genjutsu you think Madara had on him, was immediately lost.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

yagura was only said to control the bijuu we don't know if he was actually buddies with it. their relationship could've been like pre bijuu mode Naruto.

 

[To Whatever]

yagura was only said to control the bijuu we don't know if he was actually buddies with it. their relationship could've been like with naruto pre bijuu mode.

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[uhmusddy]

Yeah I don't think yagura was friends, most likely had the power under his complete control through skill. Like Madara did with Sharingan & Hashirama with wood release. & Naruto when KCM was a thing.

 

[SenseiSama]

You dumb? I know you're not but that was dumb.

The highest form of a jin' is PJ... Sage mode being added is awesome and one hell of a feat but it is not at all, never has been and never will be apart of the traditional jin' pool.

He was able to add it(SM) to his already existing PJ form.

Octopops octopots a few times maybe and proceeds to neg

The original Jinchuuriki had Six Path Senjutsu, a.k.a bijuu chakra + NE, the highest level of bijuu power is attained with SM.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

By your logic since I've never dared shoot someone, they can't die from being shot.

By my logic if I could kill someone by shooting them I'd shoot them instead of running after them with a knife and get killed instead.

Your second part is completely made up, you have no evidence, merely speculation. Madara makes it quite clear he could not leave the base he was in, which is another inconsistency on the part of Kishimoto concerning the fact that he controlled the Mist ANBU. Madara couldn't control Yagura and if he could, once he died the genjutsu would have waned. By the time Obito controlled Yagura, whatever genjutsu you think Madara had on him, was immediately lost.

So Madara can't leave his base but he's able to place the Forbidden Individual Curse Tag on Rin is it lol?

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How did he place the seal on Rin's heart then?

And considering Madara wasn't dead before passing his secrets to Obito, its completely possible he taught Obito about how to control Isobu who was already under his control which Obito later used to his advantage by making Yagura its jin and controlling them both making it appear as if Yagura was a perfect jin.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

What tobi used coud be more than just a simple genjutsu. He controlled the man for years, I've never seen a genjutsu control someone that long.

 

[Sagebee]

I always thought perfect jinchuuriki are friends with the bijuu

 

[Nick01]

Except, Naruto can go into an even deeper psych.

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Still it's MangaFact that Naruto is in a lvl of his own in being a Perfect Jin. He's the meeting place of the tailed beast, as well as possessing a small of amount of chakra from each, a pseudo JJ if you will.

His relationship with the Bijuu's is unsurpassed.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Except, Naruto can go into an even deeper psych.

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Still it's MangaFact that Naruto is in a lvl of his own in being a Perfect Jin. He's the meeting place of the tailed beast, as well as possessing a small of amount of chakra from each, a pseudo JJ if you will.

His relationship with the Bijuu's is unsurpassed.

Sasuke would need to go that deep for Genjutsu, which he can't.

 

[SenseiSama]

What tobi used coud be more than just a simple genjutsu. He controlled the man for years, I've never seen a genjutsu control someone that long.

Madara taught him everything about Rikudou jutsu so even though he might not have used Sharingan genjutsu he could easily have used a chakra rod or something like BZ or WZ to influence people. But imo he did use his Sharingan and the only perfect jinchuuriki are Naruto and B.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Madara taught him everything about Rikudou jutsu so even though he might not have used Sharingan genjutsu he could easily have used a chakra rod or something like BZ or WZ to influence people. But imo he did use his Sharingan and the only perfect jinchuuriki are Naruto and B.

So you're saying he used this on Yagura?

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Yagura is a perfect jinchuriki, even the fan translated databook said he was along with the manga. He wouldn't be Mizukage of the bloody mist if he wasn't a perfect jinchuuriki. The elders would try to kill him.

 

[whiteboy2345]

yagura was only said to control the bijuu we don't know if he was actually buddies with it. their relationship could've been like pre bijuu mode Naruto.

Yagura is registered as a perfect Jinchuriki. Killer Bee notes that only a perfect Jinchuriki can be perfectly resistant to genjutsu meaning that Yagura has a perfect relationship with his Tailed Beast.

 

[Clown World]

Well bee was put under genjustu by itachi in their fight, naruto was put under genjustu in the last although he never intended on breaking it. But thats the only feat iirc so really there isnt much proof that he can be put under in a battle.