Does Hinata still have Hamura's chakra?

[Made in Heaven]

I don' need to prove anything.

Bye homeboy.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Bye homeboy.

Go away bigot.

Lmao, thinking an Uzumaki could awaken Rinnegan by mixing their chakra with Hagoromo, which has already happened.

 

[Sagebee]

Can you show some proof?

Simple why aren't all ninjas hagoromo descendants

 

[Holy God]

Simple why aren't all ninjas hagoromo descendants

Because people who Hagoromo gave chakra to had children who could make their own chakra. How does this prove the people given chakra are able to regenerate Hagoromo's?

 

[Sagebee]

Because people who Hagoromo gave chakra to had children who could make their own chakra. How does this prove the people given chakra are able to regenerate Hagoromo's?

I don't think we'll get satisfactory answers from either of us so let' the series decide

But I will say hagoromos whole concept of ninshuu was about no one person should be all powerful over everyone but chakra should be something spread and to connect people

Right now for some reason your assuming the original people hagoromo have chakra too couldn't regenerate but for some reason there kids can there's no reason to assume they couldn't regenerate and actually how could they retain their chakra if it couldn't regenerate

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[Holy God]

I don't think we'll get satisfactory answers from either of us so let' the series decide

But I will say hagoromos whole concept of ninshuu was about no one person should be all powerful over everyone but chakra should be something spread and to connect people

Right now for some reason your assuming the original people hagoromo have chakra too couldn't regenerate but for some reason there kids can there's no reason to assume they couldn't regenerate and actually how could they retain their chakra if it couldn't regenerate

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The children can regenerate chakra because they're genetically modified by the chakra their parents had, allowing them to have the chakra system (what the Byakugan can see). Without a chakra system, which humans at that time did not have, the body cannot produce its own chakra. A chakra system isn't needed to carry chakra, but it is required to make it, shown by how ninjas are able to invest their chakra in inanimate objects. If I remember correctly, it's said that humans carry it in their cells.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

Can anyone refresh my mind about who wielded chakra first?

wield = be able to use

I still think that chakra is an innate essence common to all life forms. The existence of the GOD tree supports this theory.
Now, it was Kaguya and her descendants who wield the powerful, sinister chakra of the Chakra fruit.

The Ninshuu was simply Hagoromo's sort of religion that connects chakra already existing. Everyone has had chakra in the first place and with Ninshuu they learned to wield the chakra they possessed. This was until ninjutsu was invented, clans formed and chakra was used for military purposes.

So all of this debunks the "all ninjas are Hagoromo's descendants"

 

[Sagebee]

The children can regenerate chakra because they're genetically modified by the chakra their parents had, allowing them to have the chakra system (what the Byakugan can see). Without a chakra system, which humans at that time did not have, the body cannot produce its own chakra. A chakra system isn't needed to carry chakra, but it is required to make it, shown by how ninjas are able to invest their chakra in inanimate objects. If I remember correctly, it's said that humans carry it in their cells.

That's a nice theory but do you have proof from the series?

 

[Sagebee]

Can anyone refresh my mind about who wielded chakra first?

wield = be able to use

I still think that chakra is an innate essence common to all life forms. The existence of the GOD tree supports this theory.
Now, it was Kaguya and her descendants who wield the powerful, sinister chakra of the Chakra fruit.

The Ninshuu was simply Hagoromo's sort of religion that connects chakra already existing. Everyone has had chakra in the first place and with Ninshuu they learned to wield the chakra they possessed. This was until ninjutsu was invented, clans formed and chakra was used for military purposes.

So all of this debunks the "all ninjas are Hagoromo's descendants"

When you say use you mean like ninjutsu I think it was stated indra was the one to create ninjutsu

 

[Holy God]

That's a nice theory but do you have proof from the series?

Proof for what part exactly?

 

[Sagebee]

Proof for what part exactly?

That's what happened and that the first generation if chakra users couldn't regenerate

 

[whiteboy2345]

That's a nice theory but do you have proof from the series?

You do realize, that Kaguya wants to reclaim her chakra right? She was thoroughly angry that Hagoromo thought it wise to share it with everyone, meaning not everyone is a descendant of Hagoromo. And if Hagoromo tried teaching Ninshuu during his life, when he only had two sons, that means that other people had chakra at the time.

Which means your theory is false.

 

[Sagebee]

Can anyone refresh my mind about who wielded chakra first?

wield = be able to use

I still think that chakra is an innate essence common to all life forms. The existence of the GOD tree supports this theory.
Now, it was Kaguya and her descendants who wield the powerful, sinister chakra of the Chakra fruit.

The Ninshuu was simply Hagoromo's sort of religion that connects chakra already existing. Everyone has had chakra in the first place and with Ninshuu they learned to wield the chakra they possessed. This was until ninjutsu was invented, clans formed and chakra was used for military purposes.

So all of this debunks the "all ninjas are Hagoromo's descendants"

Oh your asking how was the chakra fruit able to create chakra if they weren't chakra users

The god tree sucked their life energy and converted it to chakra it's like asking why isn't everyone sage users if natural energy is all around us

 

[HyuugaHeir]

When you say use you mean like ninjutsu I think it was stated indra was the one to create ninjutsu

Yes, I guess.

Kaguya used chakra her own way. Hagoromo used chakra via Ninshuu. Ninjutsu just happened to be the term used when people started going on wars post Indra-Ashura feud. But we can agree that Hagoromo and Hamura had offensive techniques which they used against Kaguya. Those were essentially ninjutsu but weren't called as such.

 

[Holy God]

Can anyone refresh my mind about who wielded chakra first?

wield = be able to use

I still think that chakra is an innate essence common to all life forms. The existence of the GOD tree supports this theory.
Now, it was Kaguya and her descendants who wield the powerful, sinister chakra of the Chakra fruit.

The Ninshuu was simply Hagoromo's sort of religion that connects chakra already existing. Everyone has had chakra in the first place and with Ninshuu they learned to wield the chakra they possessed. This was until ninjutsu was invented, clans formed and chakra was used for military purposes.

So all of this debunks the "all ninjas are Hagoromo's descendants"

You do realize, that Kaguya wants to reclaim her chakra right? She was thoroughly angry that Hagoromo thought it wise to share it with everyone, meaning not everyone is a descendant of Hagoromo. And if Hagoromo tried teaching Ninshuu during his life, when he only had two sons, that means that other people had chakra at the time.

Which means your theory is false.

Neither of us are claiming that all ninjas are descendants of Hagoromo.

 

[Sagebee]

You do realize, that Kaguya wants to reclaim her chakra right? She was thoroughly angry that Hagoromo thought it wise to share it with everyone, meaning not everyone is a descendant of Hagoromo. And if Hagoromo tried teaching Ninshuu during his life, when he only had two sons, that means that other people had chakra at the time.

Which means your theory is false.

I think your completely misunderstanding what were talking about

The discussion were having is can chakra that's passed regenerate and I'm saying yes and he's saying no.

And the argument I made for why is everyone would be hagoromo descendants if chakra was passed genetically

 

[Sagebee]

Yes, I guess.

Kaguya used chakra her own way. Hagoromo used chakra via Ninshuu. Ninjutsu just happened to be the term used when people started going on wars post Indra-Ashura feud. But we can agree that Hagoromo and Hamura had offensive techniques which they used against Kaguya. Those were essentially ninjutsu but weren't called as such.

Ninshuu was just a philosophy created by hagoromo of connecting people with chakra

Okutsuki clan members can innately manipulate chakra

 

[HyuugaHeir]

Oh your asking how was the chakra fruit able to create chakra if they weren't chakra users

The god tree sucked their life energy and converted it to chakra it's like asking why isn't everyone sage users if natural energy is all around us

I wan't asking. And I wouldn't use the word "create."
The God Tree was absorbing natural energy from the planet. Kaguya also used the GT to drain people's life-energy (or chakra). Ootsutsuki are chakra lusted in the first place. I'm saying chakra is everyone's innate possession but people didn't know how to wield it until Hagoromo led the world into practising Ninshuu. And we know how it ended. People corrupted the use of chakra and replaced Ninshuu with ninjutsu..

 

[whiteboy2345]

I think your completely misunderstanding what were talking about

The discussion were having is can chakra that's passed regenerate and I'm saying yes and he's saying no.

And the argument I made for why is everyone would be hagoromo descendants if chakra was passed genetically

Chakra is passed genetically, and once inside of the body it becomes tethered to that persons life force, killing them should their chakra system be completely shut down, which would explain why it's passed down through genes.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

Neither of us are claiming that all ninjas are descendants of Hagoromo.

Yep. I said those in a general sense. And for those who claim that.