Adult base Sasuke vs base Hashirama

[DHOH]

When the manga recton'd the final fight .there is no way boruto mangaka would change parts that was originally written by kishi himself not the studio .I also remember it was said that Kishi didnt interfere in the final fight of bourto movie and left it all to the studio.I amont saying bourto movie is completely not canon.I am saying that bourto movie is not completely canon ,I hope you see the difference .the parts of the movie that was changed in the manga most definitely can't be considered canon.

Most of that is just base on opinion. As I said Kishi called Boruto the movie his finest work.. There's no way it isn't 100% completely cannon.

 

[DHOH]

nope not even close

That's not true at all. No question when it comes to strength of chakra. But Sasuke has more chakra than Hashirama, which can be debated. Sasuke gain four chakra power ups. He has no chakra issues.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Most of that is just base on opinion. As I said Kishi called Boruto the movie his finest work.. There's no way it isn't 100% completely cannon.

It is not just an opinion .it is a logical understanding of multiple pieces of facts.

 

[DHOH]

It is not just an opinion .it is a logical understanding of multiple pieces of facts.

Boruto the movie wasn't called non cannon, is wasn't called part cannon. It was called Kishi finest work and if you consider Kishi finest work non cannon then your right it's not a opinion, it's just simply false.

 

[Dark Rasengan]

@Eng nawashi

Sasuke's feat completely dumps on Lee and his squad of gates user. Not debatable at all. The squad only managed to split the meteor in 2 while Sasuke created an explosion so big that he could have easily one shotted the whole thing. Not debatable.

You and I (or any fan for that matter) are in no position to say what's canon and what's not. Only Kishimoto has that right. If he says something is canon then it's canon. Your and my opinion holds zero weight in this case.
And no. Kishi accepted the whole movie as part of the manga, even named it chapter 699.5, you don't get to pick and choose which is canon and which is not. Did Kishi came out and said "welp this movie is canon, but the animations are a bit exaggerated so take it with a grain of salt" nop he didn't. He accepted this movie as canon with all its parts.
So no. A Canon feat will be treated as such until proven otherwise. And if a Chidori made an explosion in a Canon movie, then it's a Canon feat.
That's how it is.

 

[Dark Rasengan]

@Eng nawashi

Sasuke's feat completely dumps on Lee and his squad of gates user. Not debatable at all. The squad only managed to split the meteor in 2 while Sasuke created an explosion so big that he could have easily one shotted the whole thing. Not debatable.

You and I (or any fan for that matter) are in no position to say what's canon and what's not. Only Kishimoto has that right. If he says something is canon then it's canon. Your and my opinion holds zero weight in this case.
And no. Kishi accepted the whole movie as part of the manga, even named it chapter 699.5, you don't get to pick and choose which is canon and which is not. Did Kishi came out and said "welp this movie is canon, but the animations are a bit exaggerated so take it with a grain of salt" nop he didn't. He accepted this movie as canon with all its parts.
So no. A Canon feat will be treated as such until proven otherwise. And if a Chidori made an explosion in a Canon movie, then it's a Canon feat.
That's how it is.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Boruto the movie wasn't called non cannon, is wasn't called part cannon. It was called Kishi finest work and if you consider Kishi finest work non cannon then your right it's not a opinion, it's just simply false.

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It is his finest work yet he allowed bourto Mangaka to change the whole fight including Demon Momo's design .you know better than me that this is just some Interview BS for the purpose of attraction and advertisement .that or he probably just meant the main plot of Bourto movie not every single detail like you try to interpret it.

 

[Eng nawashi]

@Eng nawashi

Sasuke's feat completely dumps on Lee and his squad of gates user. Not debatable at all. The squad only managed to split the meteor in 2 while Sasuke created an explosion so big that he could have easily one shotted the whole thing. Not debatable.

You and I (or any fan for that matter) are in no position to say what's canon and what's not. Only Kishimoto has that right. If he says something is canon then it's canon. Your and my opinion holds zero weight in this case.
And no. Kishi accepted the whole movie as part of the manga, even named it chapter 699.5, you don't get to pick and choose which is canon and which is not. Did Kishi came out and said "welp this movie is canon, but the animations are a bit exaggerated so take it with a grain of salt" nop he didn't. He accepted this movie as canon with all its parts.
So no. A Canon feat will be treated as such until proven otherwise. And if a Chidori made an explosion in a Canon movie, then it's a Canon feat.
That's how it is.

First off ,whose feat is superior isn't my main point .my main point is that both are just exaggerated unless you really believe 6th gate Lee with some help from far inferior gate users can wreck a meteor that is falling from the space with their bare fists .not even close when manga feats are considered.
Secondly, Lee and his squad wrecked the bigger part of the meteor (that was clearly shown in the video) but sasuke's chidori vaporized the remaining part .they didn't just split it in half and I have already addressed that.you have literally ignored everything I said in my previous post.didn't you watch the video!?

if there is a feat , lee's one ,plainly contradicts with manga feats ,that should make me question the other feats specially the ones that are exaggeratedly above manga feats .this is what I think .

 

[NarutoX28]

If the movie is canon, can I please go back to believing that Adult Sasuke = RSM Naruto speedwise?

 

[Ambivalence]

When the manga recton'd the final fight .there is no way boruto mangaka would change parts that was originally written by kishi himself not the studio .I also remember it was said that Kishi didnt interfere in the final fight of bourto movie and left it all to the studio.I amont saying bourto movie is completely not canon.I am saying that bourto movie is not completely canon ,I hope you see the difference .the parts of the movie that was changed in the manga most definitely can't be considered canon.

:lol No. The manga is nothing more than Ikemoto's own take on Boruto, The Movie. The movie itself was fully written by Kishimoto as per his own word and nothing in it required it to be reiterated in a different form, which is to say the manga was just another early cash grab. To say the manga ''retconned'' the movie would be like saying the movie novel retconned it first since it was written by Kishimoto's editor, he considers it as cannon, and it was different from the movie in a number of ways.

Kishimoto wrote the entire script for the movie, I don't know what you've read but it's not true. Unless you can prove Pierrot was responcible for the portrayal of Sasuke and they weren't just following Kishimoto's script, because I'm sure that's why you even argue this, then you can move right along.

there is no way boruto mangaka would change parts that was originally written by kishi himself

That's a nice assumption you got there.

Case and point: both are cannon, but not mutually exclusive. I personally prefer to take the original author's word, but hey, that's just me.

 

[Unknnown]

pfff... not even a challenge

 

[Megax Rocker7]

Lol the movie is the Canon material while the manga is just an adaptation, people arguing that why would he remove things that kishi made, but this didn't stop him from adding things, and to endl this once and for all:

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Kishi himself views it as just an adaptation of his work, meaning the movie is original and canon source.

People are under the impression that manga is always the canon source, this only applies when it's the original story, not an adaptation that wasn't even made by the original author.:lol

 

[KidGamer65]

Lol the movie is the Canon material while the manga is just an adaptation, people arguing that why would he remove things that kishi made, but this didn't stop him from adding things, and to endl this once and for all:

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Kishi himself views it as just an adaptation of his work, meaning the movie is original and canon source.

People are under the impression that manga is always the canon source, this only applies when it's the original story, not an adaptation that wasn't even made by the original author.:lol

This doesn't matter. Kishimoto wrote the script for the movie. That's it. That doesn't include animation. Those were handled by the people who usually do the animations. Studio Pierrot.

 

[Megax Rocker7]

This doesn't matter. Kishimoto wrote the script for the movie. That's it. That doesn't include animation. Those were handled by the people who usually do the animations. Studio Pierrot.

But the script must have had something along the lInes of "Naruto and Sasuke tag teaming on Momoshiki with taijutsu" regardless how the battle was animated, and I belive it was stated that the last movie received the same treatment, and feats from it is taken without hesitation.

And since Kishi called the movie his greatest work, I doubt he would let something go by without his approval.

Ikemoto did a lot of changes to the original script, in addition to changes of design for both Naruto's RSM and merged Momoshiki, and Sasuke had minor changes as well, and that's because kishi handed the series to him so he can change whatever he wants.

Between the movie he was more invested in and the manga adaptation he was separated from, I belive the former holds more relevance.

In summary, I don't see any reason to consider the feats from the Boruto movie as non-canon since that was the original material from original author himself, unless it's being ignored for the sake of debate, I don't see any reason for those feats to be considered retconned.

But that's just me.

 

[KidGamer65]

But the script must have had something along the lInes of "Naruto and Sasuke tag teaming on Momoshiki with taijutsu" regardless how the battle was animated, and I belive it was stated that the last movie received the same treatment, and feats from it is taken without hesitation.

And since Kishi called the movie his greatest work, I doubt he would let something go by without his approval.

Ikemoto did a lot of changes to the original script, in addition to changes of design for both Naruto's RSM and merged Momoshiki, and Sasuke had minor changes as well, and that's because kishi handed the series to him so he can change whatever he wants.

Between the movie he was more invested in and the manga adaptation he was separated from, I belive the former holds more relevance.

In summary, I don't see any reason to consider the feats from the Boruto movie as non-canon since that was the original material from original author himself, unless it's being ignored for the sake of debate, I don't see any reason for those feats to be considered retconned.

But that's just me.

The script doesn't account for specific feats though. Naruto and Sasuke tag teamed Momoshiki in Taijutsu in the Manga as well. It just wasn't fleshed out to the extent the movie did it. The Last is called chapter 699.5 nor is there a manga version of it.

Design obviously isn't script. Sasuke had no major deviances from the original script either. The script for the manga was largely the same as the movie. The only differences were extremely minor.

The only thing that came from Kishi during that movie was the script and plot. The Manga is more canon than the movie at this point as everything that'll happen from now on to the end will reference the Manga and not the movie. So it makes way more sense to refer to that despite it being written by another author.. Who wrote it doesn't dictate it's canonicity.

 

[Megax Rocker7]

The script doesn't account for specific feats though. Naruto and Sasuke tag teamed Momoshiki in Taijutsu in the Manga as well. It just wasn't fleshed out to the extent the movie did it. The Last is called chapter 699.5 nor is there a manga version of it.

Design obviously isn't script. Sasuke had no major deviances from the original script either. The script for the manga was largely the same as the movie. The only differences were extremely minor.

The only thing that came from Kishi during that movie was the script and plot. The Manga is more canon than the movie at this point as everything that'll happen from now on to the end will reference the Manga and not the movie. So it makes way more sense to refer to that despite it being written by another author.. Who wrote it doesn't dictate it's canonicity.

Well, if this is what's generally agreed upon then I guess I will conceade this argument.

 

[DHOH]

Doesn't Kishi gives the approval to studio Pierrot on how his story/battle unfolds? If so it doesn't really matter if Kishi wrote it or not, no one really knows and giving his approval is no different than him writing it himself.

 

[KidGamer65]

Doesn't Kishi gives the approval to studio Pierrot on how his story/battle unfolds? If so it doesn't really matter if Kishi wrote it or not, no one really knows and giving his approval is no different than him writing it himself.

By this logic the anime is canon.

 

[Mellanoma]

I dont see 1 handed Sasuke overwhelming Hashirama in CQC.

Maybe with a sword but pure hand to hand definitely not.

 

[DHOH]

By this logic the anime is canon.

Not really the same in this case. Kishimoto said he wanted to focus mainly on a few things in the Boruto movie, introducing the new generation,giving Sasuke a lead role, and making it mostly a taijutsu battle.. obviously Kishi's assistant focus mainly on Boruto and the new generation. Good indication on why everything that change was shorter, completely left out or found a way to make Boruto revelant.


Doesn't make Kishi's version of the movie any less cannon because they didn't share completely the same views.