Uchiha faps blaming everyone for their problems

whiteboy2345

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Did u watch vote 2 .? didnt you when naruto got serious what he did to sasuke .? isnt wasnt nice :lmao:

And Jiraiya taught him that? No he didn't, Kakashi taught him Rasen-shuriken. Jiraiya didn't teach Naruto jack-shit and Naruto cried like a *****.
 

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We don't know what the Uchiha were specifically planning, ahem, Itachi never attended one meeting. For all we know they were going to bring Donut's into work with death laxatives.

I guess itachi just pulled the word Coup d'état how of his ass then?.


Those instances you're speaking of were mostly in times of war, where feudal Lords were hiring people to **** each other up. The Cloud village trying to steal the Byakugan was also kept hidden for the sake of peace between the villages.

Even if it got out about the cloud attempting to steal the byakugan, Other villages wouldn't care, They would most likely do the same given a chance.
The point is, Every village does and has done really shady shit and have bloody pasts, They won't condemn konoha because they themselves would've done the same if a clan of their village attempted to revolt against them.


Hiruzen never spoke to them, you're not getting what I'm saying. He promise everything and did nothing.

Indeed he didn't but that doesn't mean he didn't try.

Why didn't they reach out to him?, As i said, if they were willing to talk, Why didn't they reach out to the one man who wanted to talk and listen to them?
 

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I'm not a mass murderer.

If you knock over a stop-sign and you leave, not calling the police, and someone drives down that street not knowing a stop sign was in place and dies, should the death of that person be covered up? Is it justice, is it fair? Is it fair to persecute a group of people, wipe them clean off the map and then hide the truth?

I don't care if Konoha is punished or not, the truth must be revealed for the sake of justice. Nothing like that should ever happen without the truth being heard.

You seriously don't get how different your example scenario is from the Konoha scenario? Let me explain it:

If you cause the death of a person because you knocked over a stop sign and didn't inform anyone, and then you go to jail for it, then that is the actual perpetrator (you) being punished. That is justice.

However, let's say you shoot up a bank and kill people. Now let's say that one of the family members of one of the victims kills you in revenge. Should your grandson (who will be born 20 years from now) be arrested?
 

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You seriously don't get how different your example scenario is from the Konoha scenario? Let me explain it:

If you cause the death of a person because you knocked over a stop sign and didn't inform anyone, and then you go to jail for it, then that is the actual perpetrator (you) being punished. That is justice.

However, let's say you shoot up a bank and kill people. Now let's say that one of the family members of one of the victims kills you in revenge. Should your grandson (who will be born 20 years from now) be arrested?

The truth must be revealed, the consequences will stop others from doing the same.
 

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The truth must be revealed, the consequences will stop others from doing the same.

No it won't. Besides, there is nothing going on in the shinobi world right now to suggest that it may happen again (at least any time soon).

You also still haven't answered my questions:

Are the ones responsible for the Uchiha's tragedy dead, or are they not?
In my example scenario, should your grandson be punished for the crimes of his late grandfather who was already punished via death?
 

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No it won't. Besides, there is nothing going on in the shinobi world right now to suggest that it may happen again (at least any time soon).

You also still haven't answered my questions:

Are the ones responsible for the Uchiha's tragedy dead, or are they not?
In my example scenario, should your grandson be punished for the crimes of his late grandfather who was already punished via death?

Whether they're dead or not doesn't matter. The people specifically responsible must pay we can both agree, but what happened at large should be revealed. If Konoha suffers as a result, it'll most likely stop what happened from happening again. I mean come on, Konoha was discriminating against the Uchiha, and when it backfired, they cleaned them off the face of the Earth. What more protection does Konoha need?

Withholding the truth over and over again because you're afraid of the effects will just cause an endless cycle.
 

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I understand where you're coming from but this thread isn't going to change anything other than wasting your time.
 

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Whether they're dead or not doesn't matter. The people specifically responsible must pay we can both agree, but what happened at large should be revealed. If Konoha suffers as a result, it'll most likely stop what happened from happening again. I mean come on, Konoha was discriminating against the Uchiha, and when it backfired, they cleaned them off the face of the Earth. What more protection does Konoha need?

Withholding the truth over and over again because you're afraid of the effects will just cause an endless cycle.

Punishing people who aren't responsible for any wrong doings will also cause an endless cycle. For all you know, those innocent people will feel wronged, and then maybe some of them might become rouge ninja out of anger and desperation (due to perhaps losing everything for reasons that they did not bring upon themselves). Next thing you know, they're killing the wrong guy or pissing off the wrong leader. Then 1, 2, 3, bam! We have a 5th great shinobi war! Perhaps we even have another genocide (if that desperate man was apart of some clan whose members backed him up on his stance)!

When it comes to corruption within a government, the proper protocol is to remove those officials from office, not to wreck the whole nation! When Bill Clinton's scandal was found out, what did we in the U.S do? We impeached Bill Clinton! We didn't destroy the whole U.S for it or send negative propaganda about the U.S to other countries, now did we? When Nixon was found to be involved with the water gate scandal, what happened? Nixon was ultimately pressured to resign! We didn't destroy the U.S or ruin our trade relations with China!

In the same way, the proper protocol in dealing with corrupt leaders like Danzou is to get rid of such people, and Sasuke already did just that (only his method was via chidori sharp spear instead of mere impeachment)! The protocol is not to attack Denki, rape Moegi, and crucify Himawari!

Honestly speaking, the details of the Uchiha massacre is nobody else's business at this point. That may sound harsh, but in the end think about this:

What good does it do to hurt babies who know nothing, and to punish everybody except for the actual villains? Furthermore, who actually has time for that now (20+ years after the tragedy)? Like I said before, all of the villages have their own current issues to deal with.

This was your statement:
"I mean come on, Konoha was discriminating against the Uchiha, and when it backfired, they cleaned them off the face of the Earth. What more protection does Konoha need?"

Here is a corrected version of your statement:

I mean come on, Danzou was discriminating against the Uchiha, and when it backfired, he cleaned them off the face of the Earth. What more protection does Danzou need?

Nobody is withholding any truth. Danzou was withholding the truth, but he and all associated people are dead, so now nobody is withholding any truth.

Naruto, Boruto, Sarada, Denki, Iwabe, Sumire, Udon, Moegi, etc... should all just be left out of it.
 

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Whether they're dead or not doesn't matter. The people specifically responsible must pay we can both agree, but what happened at large should be revealed. If Konoha suffers as a result, it'll most likely stop what happened from happening again. I mean come on, Konoha was discriminating against the Uchiha, and when it backfired, they cleaned them off the face of the Earth. What more protection does Konoha need?

Withholding the truth over and over again because you're afraid of the effects will just cause an endless cycle.

For every Action,theres an equal and opposite reaction....Fate of the Uchihas

The Uchiha started these whole shyte,and they reaped the fruit..
and even then,it was still a rogue uchiha roaming around that helped in removing the blight called the 'uchiha' from Naruto verse,he should have just finished the Job by Killing Sasuke.

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Truth be told,90% of what went down was the Machinations and fault of an Uchiha,lets expantiate,shall we?

Indra starts a thousand year war just because he felt cheated....

Madara starts another with Hashi just because he felt cheated out of being Hokage...

Madara was the one behind Rin's death,the massacre in kiri,and Haku's shitty life.

Madara was the one pulling the strings that led to the disarray and distrust between the major Villages in Narutoverse.

Obito another bat-shit insane uchiha was the one who made Naruto's live a shitty one,one without parents or loved ones.

Itachi,oh Itachi single handedly turned Sasuke into an endangered specie in one night,another Uchiha who was the nicest of them all....
oh and he didnt do it alone though,Obito gave him a helping hand.

So brethren,the Uchiha's are mostly surrounded by calamity, disaster, catastrophe, tragedy, cataclysm, devastating blows, crisis, adversity, blight, tribulation, woe, affliction, evil.basically,anywhere an Uchiha steps into will never be the Same positively..case study,90 % of the calamity that brewed up in NV was Orchestrated by an Uchiha,even though he was been influenced,but not Controlled.

There's a saying that The way you present yourself,that's how you 'll be treated..hence the distrust towards the Uchiha's .
 
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Wow, chill out.

All this wouldn't have happened if Hashirama had just killed Madara when Tobirama injured Izuna - so it's the fault of Hashirama (Ashura)

Or he'd killed Tobirama as Madara offered him to.
 

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And Jiraiya taught him that? No he didn't, Kakashi taught him Rasen-shuriken. Jiraiya didn't teach Naruto jack-shit and Naruto cried like a *****.

Are you shyting me?
Kakashi taught Naruto Rasenhuriken? this is sig worthy!
 

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Wait, you actually believe that Jiraiya taught Naruto the Rasen-Shuriken? Okay, that's sigworthy

Lmao,i didnt say sh.it,Kakashi was there just to guide him around what Naruto Had in Mind to do.Apart from few advices here and there,He did Jack shyt,evidenced by him leaving Naruto to Tenzo to figure it out all on his own...so i don't know where the fu.ck you get your fanfic from.
 

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Lmao,i didnt say sh.it,Kakashi was there just to guide him around what Naruto Had in Mind to do.Apart from few advices here and there,He did Jack shyt,evidenced by him leaving Naruto to Tenzo to figure it out all on his own...so i don't know where the fu.ck you get your fanfic from.

So you can't deny that Kakashi actually had a hand in teaching Naruto the Rasenshuriken? He even helped Naruto find his chakra nature and taught him how to train with clones.

You soloed your own damn self.
 

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:lmao:

Well he's one of the many reasons this thread exists.

I said that Kakashi taught Naruto the Rasenshuriken and that's somehow sig worthy? Lmao, I didn't know telling the truth was funny.
 
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