US not allowing trans people...

[Multiply]

Yeah, you'd know, right? :lol

Why wouldn't I?

 

[Conspirator.]

Trans people of any sort obviously have a mental disorder. A country's military should only be inhabited by the nation's fittest, strongest and most stable both physically and mentally, all of which trans people don't even come close to meeting. So good on Trump, even if he's just using that as a distraction from other issues.

 

[Fountain]

Funny how you spout this "What a life you have, arguing about politics" in order to defend someone who spends their time in a discord group dedicated to gossiping about people on an anime site for extended periods of time. The girl you're defending ain't in a more dignified position.

Except i wasn't trying to defend anyone.

 

[Multiply]

Trans people of any sort obviously have a mental disorder. A country's military should only be inhabited by the nation's fittest, strongest and most stable both physically and mentally, all of which trans people don't even come close to meeting. So good on Trump, even if he's just using that as a distraction from other issues.

What is the mental disorder?

 

[Clown World]

What is the mental disorder?

Gender dysphoria is mental disorder

 

[Punk Hazard]

Gender dysphoria is mental disorder

It doesn't cause enough disruption of day to day life to be classified as a disorder.

 

[Wolves]

Any eligible citizen who has passed the ASVAB and received proper screening is fit to enlist in the US.

 

[Clown World]

It doesn't cause enough disruption of day to day life to be classified as a disorder.

well yeah it sort of does, transexuals are mentally unstable and will never fully be the opposite gender because even hormones and surgery will never, ever make u exactly like the opposite gender. Its the reason why so many commit pedophilia and commit suicide. Trans people are weak, me that become female are failures as male. there is also a high percentage of transexuals who were subject to child abuse and personality disorders also are common.

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

this thread got so silly. "mental disorders" has nothing to do with why theyre not allowed, its really easy to say things are crazy when you dont understand them but all it would take is to talk to a transgender person, smh/lol. i would say a lot of people have dysphoria around the world, if youre completely satisfied with your life, youve hit enlightenment oh holy ones

but different countries, different mindsets. the majority of Trumps orders have been fail or almost unconstitutional though, for some reason people think theyre better than others. none of you are, we all need air to breathe and will all die

 

[Lightbringer]

well yeah it sort of does, transexuals are mentally unstable and will never fully be the opposite gender because even hormones and surgery will never, ever make u exactly like the opposite gender. Its the reason why so many commit pedophilia and commit suicide. Trans people are weak, me that become female are failures as male. there is also a high percentage of transexuals who were subject to child abuse and personality disorders also are common.

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A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder. For these individuals, the significant problem is finding affordable resources, such as counseling, hormone therapy, medical procedures and the social support necessary to freely express their gender identity and minimize discrimination. Many other obstacles may lead to distress, including a lack of acceptance within society, direct or indirect experiences with discrimination, or assault. These experiences may lead many transgender people to suffer with anxiety, depression or related disorders at higher rates than nontransgender persons.
According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), people who experience intense, persistent gender incongruence can be given the diagnosis of "gender dysphoria." Some contend that the diagnosis inappropriately pathologizes gender noncongruence and should be eliminated. Others argue that it is essential to retain the diagnosis to ensure access to care. The International Classification of Diseases (ICD) is under revision and there may be changes to its current classification of intense persistent gender incongruence as "gender identity disorder."

Being transgender and being disallowed from living a gendered experience consistent with one's own internal understanding of oneself can cause both suffering and a reduced ability to function in ordinary life. This is called, Gender dysphoria, a persistent negative feeling associated with being forced to live an incorrect gendered experience.

Being transgender when allowed to live a gendered experience consistent with one's own internal understanding of oneself causes neither suffering nor a reduced ability to function in ordinary life.

 

[Punk Hazard]

well yeah it sort of does, transexuals are mentally unstable and will never fully be the opposite gender because even hormones and surgery will never, ever make u exactly like the opposite gender

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You don't understand what "disruption of day-to-day life" fully entails. Things like schizophrenia or depression or OCD are classified as disorders because they actually prevent you from going through day to day routines that are vital. If the distress is to the point where it's affecting your health, your ability to complete work, your interactions with others, to a certain threshold, then it's a disorder.

Gender dysphoria* isn't classified as a disorder because it doesn't inherently lead to such a level of distress. It can lead to actual disorders like depression, but not every case reaches that point. Because many, many people are capable of doing through their days with just as much or less distress as people without it that are considered disorder-free, it's not considered a disorder.

Its the reason why so many commit pedophilia

Not inherent to being transsexual though. Not only does correlation not mean causation, I doubt these are even associated enough to assert a claim like this. Unless you have evidence that being transsexual inherently makes you a pedophile.

and commit suicide.

Same thing said about being transsexual leading to depression for this. I'm certain that suicidal tendencies in transsexuals, like depression, are the resulting of outside factors acting as obstacles towards treatment towards being transsexual, like hormone therapy, therapy, and surgery.

Trans people are weak, me that become female are failures as male.

Sounds juvenile. Maybe if "not man" wasn't your definition of "Weak" you'd have a clearer view.

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A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder. For these individuals, the significant problem is finding affordable resources, such as counseling, hormone therapy, medical procedures and the social support necessary to freely express their gender identity and minimize discrimination. Many other obstacles may lead to distress, including a lack of acceptance within society, direct or indirect experiences with discrimination, or assault. These experiences may lead many transgender people to suffer with anxiety, depression or related disorders at higher rates than nontransgender persons.
According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), people who experience intense, persistent gender incongruence can be given the diagnosis of "gender dysphoria." Some contend that the diagnosis inappropriately pathologizes gender noncongruence and should be eliminated. Others argue that it is essential to retain the diagnosis to ensure access to care. The International Classification of Diseases (ICD) is under revision and there may be changes to its current classification of intense persistent gender incongruence as "gender identity disorder."

Being transgender and being disallowed from living a gendered experience consistent with one's own internal understanding of oneself can cause both suffering and a reduced ability to function in ordinary life. This is called, Gender dysphoria, a persistent negative feeling associated with being forced to live an incorrect gendered experience.

Being transgender when allowed to live a gendered experience consistent with one's own internal understanding of oneself causes neither suffering nor a reduced ability to function in ordinary life.

So gender dysphoria isn't even being transgender/transsexual, it's when you're forced into being unable to pursue therapy, hormone therapy, surgeries, or even just dressing as the *** you feel more comfortable as. Even more reason as to why classifying transsexuals as a mental disorder, since the dysphoria isn't interchangeable with being transsexual.

Looks like the issue here isn't whether or not gender dysphoria is a disorder, it's that the term "gender dysphoria" is being falsely attributed here.

Edit asterisk: With the info provided by Lightbringer, "gender dysphoria" in my post should just be "identifying as transsexual."

 

[Clown World]

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A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder. For these individuals, the significant problem is finding affordable resources, such as counseling, hormone therapy, medical procedures and the social support necessary to freely express their gender identity and minimize discrimination. Many other obstacles may lead to distress, including a lack of acceptance within society, direct or indirect experiences with discrimination, or assault. These experiences may lead many transgender people to suffer with anxiety, depression or related disorders at higher rates than nontransgender persons.
According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), people who experience intense, persistent gender incongruence can be given the diagnosis of "gender dysphoria." Some contend that the diagnosis inappropriately pathologizes gender noncongruence and should be eliminated. Others argue that it is essential to retain the diagnosis to ensure access to care. The International Classification of Diseases (ICD) is under revision and there may be changes to its current classification of intense persistent gender incongruence as "gender identity disorder."

Being transgender and being disallowed from living a gendered experience consistent with one's own internal understanding of oneself can cause both suffering and a reduced ability to function in ordinary life. This is called, Gender dysphoria, a persistent negative feeling associated with being forced to live an incorrect gendered experience.

Being transgender when allowed to live a gendered experience consistent with one's own internal understanding of oneself causes neither suffering nor a reduced ability to function in ordinary life.

Yeah, it still doesnt change the fact that gender dysphoria is a mental illness, thats not even a scientific study just an opinion on what it means. Lots of people are only temporarily 'transgender' and that usualy results from hormone inbalance during times of growth. And u have it wrong about
"Being transgender when allowed to live a gendered experience consistent with one's own internal understanding of oneself causes neither suffering nor a reduced ability to function in ordinary life." The amount of transexuals that arent satisfied are staggering as they believe the grass will be greener on the other side. Its impossible to become the other *** and all that occurs is either a more masculine female or feminine male. Its also clear it is a mental illness simply because it goes against what is naturally occuring.
Definition of mental illness = A condition which causes serious disorder in a person's behaviour or thinking.

Definition of dysphoria = A state of unease or generalized dissatisfaction with life.

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[The Work]

To be honest I wouldn't want some transgender covering me during combat.

Also not everyone are going to accept them in the military.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Yeah, it still doesnt change the fact that gender dysphoria is a mental illness, thats not even a scientific study just an opinion on what it means. Lots of people are only temporarily 'transgender' and that usualy results from hormone inbalance during times of growth. And u have it wrong about
"Being transgender when allowed to live a gendered experience consistent with one's own internal understanding of oneself causes neither suffering nor a reduced ability to function in ordinary life." The amount of transexuals that arent satisfied are staggering as they believe the grass will be greener on the other side. Its impossible to become the other *** and all that occurs is either a more masculine female or feminine male. Its also clear it is a mental illness simply because it goes against what is naturally occuring.
Definition of mental illness = A condition which causes serious disorder in a person's behaviour or thinking.

Definition of dysphoria = A state of unease or generalized dissatisfaction with life.

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Your problem is that you're using transgender and gender dysphoria interchangeably.

 

[Lightbringer]

Yeah, it still doesnt change the fact that gender dysphoria is a mental illness, thats not even a scientific study just an opinion on what it means. Lots of people are only temporarily 'transgender' and that usualy results from hormone inbalance during times of growth. And u have it wrong about
"Being transgender when allowed to live a gendered experience consistent with one's own internal understanding of oneself causes neither suffering nor a reduced ability to function in ordinary life." The amount of transexuals that arent satisfied are staggering as they believe the grass will be greener on the other side. Its impossible to become the other *** and all that occurs is either a more masculine female or feminine male. Its also clear it is a mental illness simply because it goes against what is naturally occuring.
Definition of mental illness = A condition which causes serious disorder in a person's behaviour or thinking.

Definition of dysphoria = A state of unease or generalized dissatisfaction with life.

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Gender Dysphoria is not synonymous with being a transgender.

The APA is a scientific/psychological organization. So, no, it's not just an opinion.

 

[Misо]

It doesn't cause enough disruption of day to day life to be classified as a disorder.

Doesn't cause enough disruption? Transgender people are always depressed and suicidal because they were "born in the wrong body". Especially the ones that cant afford hormones or surgery. Now you're trying to blame the fact that *** change surgery isnt covered by healthcare, therefore it creates an "obstacle" for them. Lol, just stop.

 

[Misо]

Gender Dysphoria is not synonymous with being a transgender.

The APA is a scientific/psychological organization. So, no, it's not just an opinion.

There are also many doctors who DO believe trans people are mentally ill. Please stop using APA as your only argument, you look pathetic.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Doesn't cause enough disruption? Transgender people are always depressed and suicidal because they were "born in the wrong body".

Except they aren't. You say this like it's inherent to being transgender when that isn't case, and there are many who don't experience any more distress than the average non-transgendered person when they have access to the treatment.

Now you're trying to blame the fact that *** change surgery isnt covered by healthcare, therefore it creates an "obstacle" for them. Lol, just stop.

When did I say anything about treatment being covered by healthcare? Make sure you're replying to right post next time, buddy boy.

 

[Multiply]

There are also many doctors who DO believe trans people are mentally ill. Please stop using APA as your only argument, you look pathetic.

Evidence?

 

[Lightbringer]

There are also many doctors who DO believe trans people are mentally ill. Please stop using APA as your only argument, you look pathetic.

That's a very vague statement with no citations.

APA isn't the only organization, it's just the biggest and most prominent in the U.S.

Even the British Psychology Society says this. It's the most prominent psychological organization in the U.K.

Are they not to be trusted as well?

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