Kakashi plays megaman (2nd Edition)

[Drakengard]

Long ago, I made a "Kakashi plays megaman" thread featuring only Akatsuki opponents (

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). Now I want to throw in the older generation kages into the mix.

Scenario 1: Kamui is restricted
Scenario 2: kamui can only be used once in the whole gauntlet


Rules: If he defeats an opponent, he will gain some of their powers (as shown in the reward). Kakashi heals between every fight, except the last round, in which he must fight ET versions of each opponent one after the other. Neither ninja has knowledge on each other EXCEPT for the last round, where both sides have full knowledge. The starting distance is 40 meters.

You choose which order Kakashi fights the enemies. If you think he can't complete this, just say how far he gets.

Kakashi vs Third Raikage
Arena: Killer Bee vs. Sasuke
Reward: Third Raikage's base stamina and defenses (but no raiton shroud)

Kakashi vs Mu
Arena: Forest of Death
Reward: Kakashi can now use Jinton (high chakra cost)

Kakashi vs Gengetsu (Mizukage w/ the clam)
Arena: Gaara vs. Gengetsu
Reward: Kakashi can now summon the clam

Kakashi vs Gaara's Father
Arena: Gaara vs. Kimimaro
Reward: Kakashi can utilize his golden sand, assume he can utilize sand like gaara (medium chakra cost)

Kakashi vs Itachi (Kakashi knows that Itachi's sharingan is deadly, but not specific details)
Arena: Valley of the End
Reward: Itachi's Susano'o and spiritual weapons (high chakra cost, will be blind after 5 minutes of Susano'o usage)

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Kakashi vs The Dead
Arena: Akatsuki Cave
Special conditions: Kakashi stands in the Akatsuki grave and revives the Akatsuki 1 by 1 in ET form. He DOES NOT HEAL after each fight. Kakashi is given sealing tags.
Reward: Icha Icha Paradise sequels for life

Example: Mu -> Third Raikage -> Itachi... stops there

 

[Eng nawashi]

Without kamui kakashi most likely can't win any of these match ups .

 

[Drakengard]

Without kamui kakashi most likely can't win any of these match ups .

Hmm... well that would be boring. I'll change some factors a bit. I just don't want it to be kamui GG every match.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

idk if raiden is enough to get through the third raikage's shroud, and without intel he isn't using naruto's method. But if he burns kamui Scenario 2) on him then he's able to go against the other thanks to improved stamina.

Third raikage(uses kamui)-> Garra's dad(mora chakra gives him the win)->Gengetsu(wins the way gaara did)->Muu?->Itachi?

 

[Drakengard]

idk if raiden is enough to get through the third raikage's shroud, and without intel he isn't using naruto's method. But if he burns kamui Scenario 2) on him then he's able to go against the other thanks to improved stamina.

Third raikage(uses kamui)-> Garra's dad(mora chakra gives him the win)->Gengetsu(wins the way gaara did)->Muu?->Itachi?

How do you think the match would go if Kakashi tried to Kamui Itachi first? Do you think he would succeed and use Susano'o to help him?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

How do you think the match would go if Kakashi tried to Kamui Itachi first? Do you think he would succeed and use Susano'o to help him?

he can... but its a 1 time use, its not like usual when he has roughly 5 shots to insure the hit. But if it works, then it would be:

Itachi(uses kamui)-> raikage(uses totska)-> Rasa(improved stamina)-> gengetsu-(uses gaara's method)-> muu(use clam)-> if he fights them 1 on 1 after the fact its simply a repeat since due to raikage stamina isn't a factor.

 

[Antdog]

Kakashi might be able to beat Rasa but he's the only one

 

[KidGamer65]

Kakashi vs Third Raikage
Arena: Killer Bee vs. Sasuke
Reward: Third Raikage's base stamina and defenses (but no raiton shroud)

S1: Kakashi loses. No way to penetrate Raikage's shroud, can't take him on in close combat due to his speed, durability and strength nor will long range work for obvious reasons. So he stops here.

S2: He still loses unless he uses Kamui. So I'll just say he uses Kamui here.

Kakashi vs Mu
Arena: Forest of Death
Reward: Kakashi can now use Jinton (high chakra cost)

Kakashi could win this one. Mu can't hurt him since he has Raikage's base defense, so he'd be forced to use Jinton, but that makes him visible. That is when Kakashi would evade. Match will be a lot of cat and mouse, but if anyone gets outlasted it'll be Mu.

Kakashi vs Gengetsu (Mizukage w/ the clam)
Arena: Gaara vs. Gengetsu
Reward: Kakashi can now summon the clam

Kakashi would win easily. Joki Boy can't hurt him due to Round 1's buff. Jinton gives him the ability to nuke a widespread area to get to the clam, and Joki Boy drains Gengetsu's stamina.

Kakashi vs Gaara's Father
Arena: Gaara vs. Kimimaro
Reward: Kakashi can utilize his golden sand, assume he can utilize sand like gaara (medium chakra cost)

Rasa is an easily win. Raikage's durability prevents him from being hurt by Gold Sand, Jinton is a sure kill if Kakashi can get it off properly, especially since he's a master with clone feints unlike Onoki or Mu.

Kakashi vs Itachi (Kakashi knows that Itachi's sharingan is deadly, but not specific details)
Arena: Valley of the End
Reward: Itachi's Susano'o and spiritual weapons (high chakra cost, will be blind after 5 minutes of Susano'o usage)

Unfortunately Kakashi dies here. Amaterasu prevents Jinton. Amaterasu also one shots since he lacks the speed to evade it or Kamui to retaliate. Susanoo mows down everything else.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

S1: Kakashi loses. No way to penetrate Raikage's shroud, can't take him on in close combat due to his speed, durability and strength nor will long range work for obvious reasons. So he stops here.

S2: He still loses unless he uses Kamui. So I'll just say he uses Kamui here.



Kakashi could win this one. Mu can't hurt him since he has Raikage's base defense, so he'd be forced to use Jinton, but that makes him visible. That is when Kakashi would evade. Match will be a lot of cat and mouse, but if anyone gets outlasted it'll be Mu.



Kakashi would win easily. Joki Boy can't hurt him due to Round 1's buff. Jinton gives him the ability to nuke a widespread area to get to the clam, and Joki Boy drains Gengetsu's stamina.



Rasa is an easily win. Raikage's durability prevents him from being hurt by Gold Sand, Jinton is a sure kill if Kakashi can get it off properly, especially since he's a master with clone feints unlike Onoki or Mu.



Unfortunately Kakashi dies here. Amaterasu prevents Jinton. Amaterasu also one shots since he lacks the speed to evade it or Kamui to retaliate. Susanoo mows down everything else.

you can change the order.

 

[KidGamer65]

you can change the order.

-He dies to Itachi if he fights him first.
-He can beat the other Kage since he has Kamui, but after that he gets right back to Itachi where he loses again.

So either way he'd stop at Itachi.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

-He dies to Itachi if he fights him first.
-He can beat the other Kage since he has Kamui, but after that he gets right back to Itachi where he loses again.

So either way he'd stop at Itachi.

he can beat rasa without kamui, and then use the sand to gut the leg up on the other kage.

 

[Drakengard]

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S1: Kakashi loses. No way to penetrate Raikage's shroud, can't take him on in close combat due to his speed, durability and strength nor will long range work for obvious reasons. So he stops here.

S2: He still loses unless he uses Kamui. So I'll just say he uses Kamui here.



Kakashi could win this one. Mu can't hurt him since he has Raikage's base defense, so he'd be forced to use Jinton, but that makes him visible. That is when Kakashi would evade. Match will be a lot of cat and mouse, but if anyone gets outlasted it'll be Mu.



Kakashi would win easily. Joki Boy can't hurt him due to Round 1's buff. Jinton gives him the ability to nuke a widespread area to get to the clam, and Joki Boy drains Gengetsu's stamina.



Rasa is an easily win. Raikage's durability prevents him from being hurt by Gold Sand, Jinton is a sure kill if Kakashi can get it off properly, especially since he's a master with clone feints unlike Onoki or Mu.



Unfortunately Kakashi dies here. Amaterasu prevents Jinton. Amaterasu also one shots since he lacks the speed to evade it or Kamui to retaliate. Susanoo mows down everything else.

Nice reply! As Ben said, you can change up the order of the fights for the first 5 if you want. So for example, you can let Kakashi fight Itachi first if you think the Kamui could give him the win.




For Scenario 1, do you guys think Kakashi can win this through this path:
Kazekage (basically try to get to use as many clone feints as possible to go in for the Raikiri kill) -> Mizukage (he can use the sand to detect the clam and the gold to stop Joki Boy, with Raikiri for the kill) -> Muu (use the clam's mist or the forest trees to give him an element of surprise, assuming Mu's sensing won't detect him that is) -> Raikage (use Jinton to kill him) -> Itachi (if he's careful about the Sharingan, he may hold the cards for a win at this point) -> The rest

I tried to structure the characters in a way that it behaves like a real Megaman game, aka each character has a weakness. I thought Mizukage -> Tsuchikage -> Raikage -> Kazekage -> Mizukage was my best bet.

 

[KidGamer65]

he can beat rasa without kamui, and then use the sand to gut the leg up on the other kage.

No he can't. Rasa is basically Gaara-lite. Gold Dust's speed is on par with Gaara's Sand's speed and he has enough to cover a widespread area (on par with one of Gaara's sand techs in scale) and enough to make a shield(s) capable of blocking Raikiri and anything else Kakashi can throw at him offensively.

Kakashi can't do anything from long range and close range means he gets killed by Gold Dust.

Nice reply! As Ben said, you can change up the order of the fights for the first 5 if you want. So for example, you can let Kakashi fight Itachi first if you think the Kamui could give him the win.




For Scenario 1, do you guys think Kakashi can win this through this path:
Kazekage (basically try to get to use as many clone feints as possible to go in for the Raikiri kill) -> Mizukage (he can use the sand to detect the clam and the gold to stop Joki Boy, with Raikiri for the kill) -> Muu (use the clam's mist or the forest trees to give him an element of surprise, assuming Mu's sensing won't detect him that is) -> Raikage (use Jinton to kill him) -> Itachi (if he's careful about the Sharingan, he may hold the cards for a win at this point) -> The rest

I tried to structure the characters in a way that it behaves like a real Megaman game, aka each character has a weakness. I thought Mizukage -> Tsuchikage -> Raikage -> Kazekage -> Mizukage was my best bet.

I don't see him beating Rasa. It's gonna take a lot to slip through his defense, that and Kakashi can't spam clones and still fight effectively, so every time a feint fails his chances of winning plummet. If he did manage to beat Rasa then it'd just lead up to the same point where Itachi beats him.

 

[Drakengard]

No he can't. Rasa is basically Gaara-lite. Gold Dust's speed is on par with Gaara's Sand's speed and he has enough to cover a widespread area (on par with one of Gaara's sand techs in scale) and enough to make a shield(s) capable of blocking Raikiri and anything else Kakashi can throw at him offensively.

Kakashi can't do anything from long range and close range means he gets killed by Gold Dust.



I don't see him beating Rasa. It's gonna take a lot to slip through his defense, that and Kakashi can't spam clones and still fight effectively, so every time a feint fails his chances of winning plummet. If he did manage to beat Rasa then it'd just lead up to the same point where Itachi beats him.

Well that's true, especially at 40 meters starting distance. He's a good counter against Kakashi's backstabbing because tunneling underground would be a VERY bad idea. I was wondering if he would have a better chance against Gaara's dad than, say, Gaara because he doesn't have the sand automatically defending him.

Also a couple more questions:
- Do you think that Kakashi's Raikiri could pierce the Raikage if he has no shroud activated?
- Could Kakashi's sand reward from the Kazekage defend against Amaterasu?

 

[KidGamer65]

Well that's true, especially at 40 meters starting distance. He's a good counter against Kakashi's backstabbing because tunneling underground would be a VERY bad idea. I was wondering if he would have a better chance against Gaara's dad than, say, Gaara because he doesn't have the sand automatically defending him.

Also a couple more questions:
- Do you think that Kakashi's Raikiri could pierce the Raikage if he has no shroud activated?
- Could Kakashi's sand reward from the Kazekage defend against Amaterasu?

Nah. Raikiri would do no damage to him. FRS is wind, so it negates Raiton techs. That means Raikage's durability is over 50% responsible for protecting him from FRS with zero damage. FRS is far beyond Raikiri in power.

And yeah, the sand could save Kakashi if he is able to recognize that Itachi is using Amaterasu. (something I didn't take into account) If he doesn't though then he'd obviously die, but that shouldn't be an issue.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

No he can't. Rasa is basically Gaara-lite. Gold Dust's speed is on par with Gaara's Sand's speed and he has enough to cover a widespread area (on par with one of Gaara's sand techs in scale) and enough to make a shield(s) capable of blocking Raikiri and anything else Kakashi can throw at him offensively.

Kakashi can't do anything from long range and close range means he gets killed by Gold Dust.

Hes actually much worse than garra. He doesn't have auto sand defense, or sensing sand. And he hasn't shown any pinpoint attacks like sand hail. Or killing techs like sand burial/sand coffin. Coupled with the fact that he couldn't block or dodge gaara's Sand arms yeah i see kakashi beating him. His main attack breaks line of sight. yeah kakashi raikiri's him.

 

[Drakengard]

Nah. Raikiri would do no damage to him. FRS is wind, so it negates Raiton techs. That means Raikage's durability is over 50% responsible for protecting him from FRS with zero damage. FRS is far beyond Raikiri in power.

I was actually wondering about this earlier. When Rikudo Naruto used his specialized lava FRS and hit Madara directly, Madara was injured by not bisected. However, Sasuke used his Chidori blade (which is supposed to be weaker than a regular Chidori since the strength is distributed across the blade) to bisect Madara with ease. Could this mean that while Raikiri is weaker, it may have more penetrating power than FRS? Maybe it was just Sasuke's strengthened Rikudo chakra, but didn't Naruto also have that advantage?

To bring it back to the thread, I was pondering if Kakashi could genjutsu the Raikage to remove the cloak, then use Raikiri to take him out. Maybe even go for a weaker area like through the throat? Your logic about the FRS does make sense though...

And yeah, the sand could save Kakashi if he is able to recognize that Itachi is using Amaterasu. (something I didn't take into account) If he doesn't though then he'd obviously die, but that shouldn't be an issue.

Isn't there some sort of pressure that occurs when Amaterasu is about to be fired? The only problem is that everybody who "dodged" it before seemed to be at least somewhat familiar with it, while Kakashi has none here. I gave him "fear" of Itachi's sharingan, so maybe he would go full on defense mode if that ever happened. Maybe that could be a part of Itachi's plan, or maybe Kakashi wants Itachi to think he's been tricked... it's hard to tell from there :erm:

Hes actually much worse than garra. He doesn't have auto sand defense, or sensing sand. And he hasn't shown any pinpoint attacks like sand hail. Or killing techs like sand burial/sand coffin. Coupled with the fact that he couldn't block or dodge gaara's Sand arms yeah i see kakashi beating him. His main attack breaks line of sight. yeah kakashi raikiri's him.

Do you think he could use the sand to levitate off the battlefield like Gaara? It's true his gold dust is heavier than sand, but he also seems capable of lifting huge amounts of it without difficulty. I could see this as one big way to pressure Kakashi!

 

[KidGamer65]

Hes actually much worse than garra. He doesn't have auto sand defense, or sensing sand. And he hasn't shown any pinpoint attacks like sand hail. Or killing techs like sand burial/sand coffin. Coupled with the fact that he couldn't block or dodge gaara's Sand arms yeah i see kakashi beating him. His main attack breaks line of sight. yeah kakashi raikiri's him.

Sensing sand is an almost irrelevant perk, the rest is you limiting Rasa without valid reasoning. Gold Dust can be manipulated into any shape or form just like Gaara's Sand as already shown in the Manga. The only techs that he can't replicate are techs that rely on modifying the ground in any way, shape or form because the ground can't be turned to gold dust.

And he didn't dodge Gaara's Sand arms because he was focused on protecting all his allies from Sand Hail. Not like this matters because Gaara's Sand is faster than Kakashi and catches targets with far less effort.

Kakashi can't break through his sand nor is he fast enough to rush and hit him without a reaction nor will he close in on Rasa and hit him with Raikiri without Rasa seeing him approach and attack him with widespread Gold Dust attacks. Breaking LoS for a single attack is irrelevant. What is Kakashi going to do in that time?

He loses. He doesn't even stand a chance of winning without Kamui.

I was actually wondering about this earlier. When Rikudo Naruto used his specialized lava FRS and hit Madara directly, Madara was injured by not bisected. However, Sasuke used his Chidori blade (which is supposed to be weaker than a regular Chidori since the strength is distributed across the blade) to bisect Madara with ease. Could this mean that while Raikiri is weaker, it may have more penetrating power than FRS? Maybe it was just Sasuke's strengthened Rikudo chakra, but didn't Naruto also have that advantage?

To bring it back to the thread, I was pondering if Kakashi could genjutsu the Raikage to remove the cloak, then use Raikiri to take him out. Maybe even go for a weaker area like through the throat? Your logic about the FRS does make sense though...

Isn't there some sort of pressure that occurs when Amaterasu is about to be fired? The only problem is that everybody who "dodged" it before seemed to be at least somewhat familiar with it, while Kakashi has none here. I gave him "fear" of Itachi's sharingan, so maybe he would go full on defense mode if that ever happened. Maybe that could be a part of Itachi's plan, or maybe Kakashi wants Itachi to think he's been tricked... it's hard to tell from there :erm:

Do you think he could use the sand to levitate off the battlefield like Gaara? It's true his gold dust is heavier than sand, but he also seems capable of lifting huge amounts of it without difficulty. I could see this as one big way to pressure Kakashi!

It's the size of Madara compared to the blade of Naruto's Lava Rasen Shuriken. The Shinju is more durable than Madara (Night Gai burrowed a hole into it while it wrecked Madara's body) yet LRS easily bisected it. Raikage w/o his cloak is more durable than Ay IV with his cloak and Ay IV has already tanked Sasuke's Chidori, so Raikiri won't penetrate him or his father.

Genjutsu isn't happening either. Even in V1, Sasuke couldn't manage to catch Ay IV in a Genjutsu so I doubt Kakashi will do the same against Ay III, especially since Ay III would maul him in close combat. Even then a Raikiri to the throat won't do much. Ay IV is far less durable and took Chidori right to the chest.

You need to be a sensor to feel that. That's how Nagato felt it during his fight w/ Naruto and B. You're right about intel. Without it there's no way he'd know to block line of sight to survive Amaterasu. I also do think that Rasa can levitate with his sand. Don't see any real reason why not. We've already seen that Gold Dust can be manipulated just like Gaara does his sand.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Sensing sand is an almost irrelevant perk,

Except for when it isn't: Ya know when he gets caught by gaara's attacks continuously.

the rest is you limiting Rasa without valid reasoning. Gold Dust can be manipulated into any shape or form just like Gaara's Sand as already shown in the Manga. The only techs that he can't replicate are techs that rely on modifying the ground in any way, shape or form because the ground can't be turned to gold dust.

Except for the fact that it wasn't shown. All he's done was large scale sweeping attacks In Fact he hasn't mady any figures or shapes whatever.

And he didn't dodge Gaara's Sand arms because he was focused on protecting all his allies from Sand Hail. Not like this matters because Gaara's Sand is faster than Kakashi and catches targets with far less effort.

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nope, he just flat out failed to dodge it. And what puts gaara's sand at kakashi's speed?

Kakashi can't break through his sand nor is he fast enough to rush and hit him without a reaction nor will he close in on Rasa and hit him with Raikiri without Rasa seeing him approach and attack him with widespread Gold Dust attacks. Breaking LoS for a single attack is irrelevant. What is Kakashi going to do in that time?

Raikiri breaks through his sand.

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Rasa has 0 speed feats or taijutsu feats and when he breaks los he only sets himself up for lightning clone feints. Gold conducts electricity so the charge if he does kill it will return to raza.

He loses. He doesn't even stand a chance of winning without Kamui.

No kakashi beats him, your unwarrantedly giving Rasa garra's feats even though he failed to show them when the time came. Only thing he and gaara share is sand tsunami and the third eye tech. Imma need you to prove everything else.

 

[KidGamer65]

Except for the fact that it wasn't shown. All he's done was large scale sweeping attacks In Fact he hasn't mady any figures or shapes whatever.

Irrelevant. It's already a fact that Gold Dust can be manipulated like Gaara's Sand. He's made a shield and he replicated Gaara's Sand Tsunami and his third eye, which is an object made of sand. Magnet Release itself is what allows him to fashion it into any shape hence the 3rd Kazekage also being able to fashion his Sand into shapes.

If you want to argue that Rasa doesn't get this ability you are going to have do a little better than the age old "he didn't show it on panel" cop out.

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nope, he just flat out failed to dodge it. And what puts gaara's sand at kakashi's speed?

The fact you are even beginning to compare a surprise sand attack from the ground at point blank range to Kakashi, who actually has to close distance to reach Rasa is enough for me not to take this point seriously. Set up a comparison that isn't based on ignoring key details like distance and maybe you'll have a point.

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And pressuring Deidara in air is enough to put Gaara's Sand above Kakashi in raw speed. Not like it matters since your comparison is flawed to begin with.

Raikiri breaks through his sand.

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Rasa has 0 speed feats or taijutsu feats and when he breaks los he only sets himself up for lightning clone feints. Gold conducts electricity so the charge if he does kill it will return to raza.

I didn't know that Raikiri breaking through rock meant it could break through Rasa's/Gaara's Sand. I also didn't know that the 3rd Raikage breaking through the Sand meant that Kakashi could do it. Kakashi is not Ay III nor is Raikiri as powerful as Nukite in any form so don't go giving Ay's feats to Kakashi. Ay IV was breaking through Susanoo with his bare hands. Ay III has that physical power on top of Nukite. There is literally zero comparison.

Rasa having 0 speed or Taijutsu feats is irrelevant. Breaking LoS momentarily only helps if Kakashi can cross the distance before sight is restored while also evading Rasa's attacks. That has nothing to do Rasa's physical speed or his Taijutsu skill. You've shown nothing but blatant downplay of Rasa's abilities as a substitute for an actual reason why Kakashi wins.

lmao @ the bold. Yeah, maybe if Rasa is touching the sand that is killing Kakashi's clone. But of course there is no reason why that'd ever occur.

No kakashi beats him, your unwarrantedly giving Rasa garra's feats even though he failed to show them when the time came. Only thing he and gaara share is sand tsunami and the third eye tech. Imma need you to prove everything else.

The rest has been addressed. If you want to ignore common sense just to prevent admitting that your favorite loses that's on you.