Jūbito chakra arms vs Rikūdou Naruto chakra arms

[Dark Rasengan]

Which chakra arms are superior ?
Fūtton: Kairiki Mūso can be used

 

[KidGamer65]

Kairiki Musou enhances Naruto's physical strength. Doesn't do anything to his chakra arms. Juubi Jin chakra arms are far superior to both though. Obito ripped the Hokage's barrier apart. Naruto has no feat on that level.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

Both have Rikudo senjutsu but Juubi >>> Kurama , so Juubito wins.

 

[NarutoX28]

Kairiki Musou enhances Naruto's physical strength. Doesn't do anything to his chakra arms. Juubi Jin chakra arms are far superior to both though. Obito ripped the Hokage's barrier apart. Naruto has no feat on that level.

Didn't RSM Naruto resist Kaguya's Taijutsu with chakra arms momentarily? I'd imagine Kaguya's attack is far stronger than anything Juubito could manage.

 

[KidGamer65]

Didn't RSM Naruto resist Kaguya's Taijutsu with chakra arms momentarily? I'd imagine Kaguya's attack is far stronger than anything Juubito could manage.

She wasn't going all out. It being Kaguya's attack doesn't mean it's stronger than anything Juubito has unless you are willing to argue that her Vacuum Fists at the level where they can clash w/ Naruto's chakra arms are stronger than 4 Juubidama.

 

[Dark Rasengan]

She wasn't going all out. It being Kaguya's attack doesn't mean it's stronger than anything Juubito has unless you are willing to argue that her Vacuum Fists at the level where they can clash w/ Naruto's chakra arms are stronger than 4 Juubidama.

Her not going all out isn't enough reason to place the attack she used on Naruto below jūbito chakra arms, or are you willing to argue that he can overpower the attack she used ?
And jūbito chakra arms never ripped the barrier that contained 4 juubidama they ripped the barrier that contained just one, and no his chakra arms aren't stronger than juubidamas unless you are willing to say that the arms that were overpowered by BM Minato and BSM Naruto and were once again trashed by a BM Rasengan are stronger than juubidamas.

 

[KidGamer65]

Her not going all out isn't enough reason to place the attack she used on Naruto below jūbito chakra arms, or are you willing to argue that he can overpower the attack she used ?
And jūbito chakra arms never ripped the barrier that contained 4 juubidama they ripped the barrier that contained just one, and no his chakra arms aren't stronger than juubidamas unless you are willing to say that the arms that were overpowered by BM Minato and BSM Naruto and were once again trashed by a BM Rasengan are stronger than juubidamas.

What are you talking about? Where did I say that it's weaker than his chakra arms because she wasn't going all out? Nowhere. I said Naruto's chakra arms are inferior to Juubito's and momentarily clashing with a Kaguya that is holding back doesn't support the reverse argument.

I also never said that Juubito ripped the barrier that tanked the quad BD. :lol
I also never said his chakra arms are stronger than Juubidama. :lol

This whole post is a response to things I never said or implied. Come on now.

 

[NarutoX28]

She wasn't going all out. It being Kaguya's attack doesn't mean it's stronger than anything Juubito has unless you are willing to argue that her Vacuum Fists at the level where they can clash w/ Naruto's chakra arms are stronger than 4 Juubidama.

You'd also have to be arguing that Juubito's chakra arms are stronger than 4 Juubidamas in spite of the fact that

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and the fact that one of Juubito's strongest attacks, if not, the strongest outside of his Juubidama still left Naruto and Sasuke intact after destroying their Avatars.

I would also think the barrier was designed to push some of the explosion upwards, so the barrier doesn't have to withstand much of the force to begin with. That barrier also could only withstand 1 Juubidama from what I remember. Obito's barrier was the only one that withstood 4 Juubidama and it is noted to be significantly stronger since it is a Six Yang Formation compared to the Four Yang Formation the Hokages used.

 

[KidGamer65]

You'd also have to be arguing that Juubito's chakra arms are stronger than 4 Juubidamas in spite of the fact that

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and the fact that one of Juubito's strongest attacks, if not, the strongest outside of his Juubidama still left Naruto and Sasuke intact after destroying their Avatars.

I would also think the barrier was designed to push some of the explosion upwards, so the barrier doesn't have to withstand much of the force to begin with. That barrier also could only withstand 1 Juubidama from what I remember. Obito's barrier was the only one that withstood 4 Juubidama and it is noted to be significantly stronger since it is a Six Yang Formation compared to the Four Yang Formation the Hokages used.

1. Obito gripped the barrier and ripped it apart. Naruto and Minato slapped the arms away at the sides before they could be grabbed. So no we don't need to argue that Naruto and Minato's chakra arms are physically superior to Obito's because they didn't physically defeat them in that clash.

2. I share the same thoughts on the barrier's function and the Juubidama, which is why I don't or didn't claim that Obito's chakra arms>Quad Juubidama. I only brought up the quad Juubidama because you said "an attack from Kaguya should be better than anything Juubito can manage", which isn't necessarily true because Juubidama is stronger than quite a few moves Kaguya has. Not as a reference to the barrier.

 

[NarutoX28]

1. Obito gripped the barrier and ripped it apart. Naruto and Minato slapped the arms away at the sides before they could be grabbed. So no we don't need to argue that Naruto and Minato's chakra arms are physically superior to Obito's because they didn't physically defeat them in that clash.

Yeah, you're right. My example didn't make sense anyways since his chakra arms are more powerful than the Juubi which is more powerful than both BM Minato and BSM Naruto combined.

2. I share the same thoughts on the barrier's function and the Juubidama, which is why I don't or didn't claim that Obito's chakra arms>Quad Juubidama. I only brought up the quad Juubidama because you said "an attack from Kaguya should be better than anything Juubito can manage", which isn't necessarily true because Juubidama is stronger than quite a few moves Kaguya has. Not as a reference to the barrier.

Ah yeah, I meant that Kaguya's attacks would be stronger than Juubito could physically manage. I believe the whole scene was used to illustrate how much more powerful Kaguya is compared to Juubidara, but you're right that Naruto and Kaguya's scene is ambiguous only because Kaguya wasn't using her full strength.

 

[Dark Rasengan]

What are you talking about? Where did I say that it's weaker than his chakra arms because she wasn't going all out? Nowhere. I said Naruto's chakra arms are inferior to Juubito's and momentarily clashing with a Kaguya that is holding back doesn't support the reverse argument.

I also never said that Juubito ripped the barrier that tanked the quad BD. :lol
I also never said his chakra arms are stronger than Juubidama. :lol

This whole post is a response to things I never said or implied. Come on now.

Jūbito's chakra limbs were overpowered by father-son combined Rasengan and Obito was forced to put a second defense with truth-seekers, let's for the sake of the argument say Kaguya was holding back against him, she wasn't holding back the 2nd time yet he ripped right through her chakra punches with zero effort when using 5-tails power, and Naruto's chakra arms (or any jinchūriki for that matter) are his > arms in strength.
And yes Fūtton can be used to enhance the power of chakra arms, like any other body augmentation power.

Btw, why is Narutox28 so submissive to you ?

 

[NarutoX28]

Jūbito's chakra limbs were overpowered by father-son combined Rasengan and Obito was forced to put a second defense with truth-seekers, let's for the sake of the argument say Kaguya was holding back against him, she wasn't holding back the 2nd time yet he ripped right through her chakra punches with zero effort when using 5-tails power, and Naruto's chakra arms (or any jinchūriki for that matter) are his > arms in strength.
And yes Fūtton can be used to enhance the power of chakra arms, like any other body augmentation power.

Btw, why is Narutox28 so submissive to you ?

I'm not, he literally got me.

I also wouldn't use that example since Juubito is susceptible to Senjutsu which explains why their Chou Oodama Rasengan was pushing him back.

 

[KidGamer65]

Jūbito's chakra limbs were overpowered by father-son combined Rasengan and Obito was forced to put a second defense with truth-seekers, let's for the sake of the argument say Kaguya was holding back against him, she wasn't holding back the 2nd time yet he ripped right through her chakra punches with zero effort when using 5-tails power, and Naruto's chakra arms (or any jinchūriki for that matter) are his > arms in strength.
And yes Fūtton can be used to enhance the power of chakra arms, like any other body augmentation power.

Btw, why is Narutox28 so submissive to you ?

No they weren't. Strength, durability and weight are all different things. BM Naruto and Minato were able to slap the arms away because the weight of said arms wasn't anything they couldn't manage and Rasengan "destroyed" them for the same reason. Durability. Not strength. Obito gripped the barrier and physically ripped it apart.


And yes, we'll say Kaguya was holding back because she was. The second time is irrelevant. The second time she was using fists several times larger than what she used on Naruto or Sasuke. Overpowering that doesn't prove anything nor is it a superior feat than ripping Shisekikyojin apart. Kairiki Musou increases strength by using steam to propel your strikes, thus giving them more speed, thus more force. That has nothing to do with chakra arms nor does what you are saying make sense.

What are you talking about? :lol

 

[Holy God]

Kairiki Musou enhances Naruto's physical strength. Doesn't do anything to his chakra arms. Juubi Jin chakra arms are far superior to both though. Obito ripped the Hokage's barrier apart. Naruto has no feat on that level.

Did your mind change or am I misunderstanding the context?

And I'm still seeing no evidence that Madara's Chakra Arms are anywhere near Kaguya or Naruto's.

 

[KidGamer65]

Did your mind change or am I misunderstanding the context?

When it comes to Naruto, yes. Kaguya? Definitely not.

 

[Holy God]

When it comes to Naruto, yes. Kaguya? Definitely not.

Did you not just say they were stronger than Naruto enhanced by Sage Art: Boil Style: Unrivaled Strength, or were you just referring to Naruto's regular strength?

 

[Dark Rasengan]

I'm not, he literally got me.

I also wouldn't use that example since Juubito is susceptible to Senjutsu which explains why their Chou Oodama Rasengan was pushing him back.

Not sure what Manga you read that lead to believe jūbito has some sort of Pokémon element type of disadvantage towards Senjutsu.
Senjutsu can't be nullified by jūbito, that's all.

 

[KidGamer65]

Did you not just say they were stronger than Naruto enhanced by Sage Art: Boil Style: Unrivaled Strength, or were you just referring to Naruto's regular strength?

Yeah, I said that JJ's chakra arms are superior to Naruto using Kairiki Musou or Naruto using his chakra arms.

 

[Dark Rasengan]

No they weren't. Strength, durability and weight are all different things. BM Naruto and Minato were able to slap the arms away because the weight of said arms wasn't anything they couldn't manage and Rasengan "destroyed" them for the same reason. Durability. Not strength. Obito gripped the barrier and physically ripped it apart.


And yes, we'll say to guys was holding back because she was. The second time is irrelevant. The second time she was using fists several times larger than what she used on Naruto or Sasuke. Overpowering that doesn't prove anything nor is it a superior feat than ripping Shisekikyojin apart. Kairiki Musou increases strength by using steam to propel your strikes, thus giving them more speed, thus more force. That has nothing to do with chakra arms nor does what you are saying make sense.

What are you talking about? :lol

Actually that means they got overpowered, and no I'm not talking about the arms vs the avatars, I'm talking about the arms vs the gargantuan Rasengan, Obito tried to defend with his chakra limbs, they got overpowered and he was forced to defend with truth-seekers. I know that Kaguya was holding down her power the first time, but that doesn't mean her attack was weaker than Obito's, not when she was using a whole barrage of punches, and no, destroying Kaguya's chakra arms and overpowering them is a better feat than anything Obito showed to us with his chakra arms but I guess this is where we will disagree the most. Kairiki Mosu enhances the strength by taking the chakra to the boiling point, not only is chakra arms made of well ... chakra, but they are an extension of Naruto's body thus any physical boost he gets his chakra limbs also get, what you are saying is no different than saying RSM didn't make Naruto's chakra limbs stronger, so what you are saying is what's not making any sense here.
You're a great debater but I already know you don't change your mind at all, so let's just drop it here :lol

I meant to say is naruto x 28 your sidekick or something ? he seems so submissive to you :lol

 

[KidGamer65]

Actually that means they got overpowered, and no I'm not talking about the arms vs the avatars, I'm talking about the arms vs the gargantuan Rasengan, Obito tried to defend with his chakra limbs, they got overpowered and he was forced to defend with truth-seekers. I know that Kaguya was holding down her power the first time, but that doesn't mean her attack was weaker than Obito's, not when she was using a whole barrage of punches, and no, destroying Kaguya's chakra arms and overpowering them is a better feat than anything Obito showed to us with his chakra arms but I guess this is where we will disagree the most. Kairiki Mosu enhances the strength by taking the chakra to the boiling point, not only is chakra arms made of well ... chakra, but they are an extension of Naruto's body thus any physical boost he gets his chakra limbs also get, what you are saying is no different than saying RSM didn't make Naruto's chakra limbs stronger, so what you are saying is what's not making any sense here.
You're a great debater but I already know you don't change your mind at all, so let's just drop it here :lol

I meant to say is naruto x 28 your sidekick or something ? he seems so submissive to you :lol

No, it doesn't and repeating yourself doesn't change a word I said. The arms being vaporized by Giant Rasengan means that they were not durable enough to withstand them. Durability and physical power are not the same thing.

And fine. I guess we'll leave it here, especially since you are pretty much repeating what I've already addressed.