Am I missing something with Kaguya?

[Deadmed]

Why the Gedou Mazou looking like a mummified monk? Why the 10 tails having its face all Picaso? There was clearly all this symbolism to the whole thing, but what does that all have to do with Kaguya? She's just some lunatic who wants her chakra back whats so mysterious about that?

 

[HyuugaHeir]

Kaguya is good but she ruined all the ninja thing for me. And BZ.

 

[Deadmed]

Kaguya is good but she ruined all the ninja thing for me. And BZ.

What is "all the ninja thing"?

 

[Cfighter]

What is "all the ninja thing"?

The series.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

What is "all the ninja thing"?

The series.

He said it.
I could deal with grand scale jutsu and the Susanoo and godly chakra avatars. But the introduction of alien life was a bit anticlimactic and out of place, at least to me.

 

[Cfighter]

He said it.
I could deal with grand scale jutsu and the Susanoo and godly chakra avatars. But the introduction of alien life was a bit anticlimactic and out of place, at least to me.

It wasn't even the concept of aliens that did it for me, I thought that was some clever world building. What the final straw was for me, was the piss poor execution of the whole thing. The manga built up Madara as a powerful presence early on in the series, then continued building him up as the final villain and even managed to make the character live up to the ridiculous hype (a rare feat indeed)... And then he was just tossed aside. Years of hype. Years of buildup. Gone. And as quickly as he was tossed aside, out of nowhere we were introduced to the FINAL final villain. It was a total joke.

Beyond that though I still think Kaguya in general was poorly handled. The manga was doing great dropping these periodic teases to the world-building. And then it had to blow it's load by not only showing us one of the few characters shrouded in mystery, but had to spell out every single detail about these mysterious characters. A little mystery goes a long way with something like this, and certainly would have kept the series alive far longer through constant theories/discussions if the manga had simply dripped little fragments and hints of what the history of the world was and left it to the audience to piece it together.

 

[davidou]

It wasn't even the concept of aliens that did it for me, I thought that was some clever world building. What the final straw was for me, was the piss poor execution of the whole thing. The manga built up Madara as a powerful presence early on in the series, then continued building him up as the final villain and even managed to make the character live up to the ridiculous hype (a rare feat indeed)... And then he was just tossed aside. Years of hype. Years of buildup. Gone. And as quickly as he was tossed aside, out of nowhere we were introduced to the FINAL final villain. It was a total joke.

Beyond that though I still think Kaguya in general was poorly handled. The manga was doing great dropping these periodic teases to the world-building. And then it had to blow it's load by not only showing us one of the few characters shrouded in mystery, but had to spell out every single detail about these mysterious characters. A little mystery goes a long way with something like this, and certainly would have kept the series alive far longer through constant theories/discussions if the manga had simply dripped little fragments and hints of what the history of the world was and left it to the audience to piece it together.

I like how the story went, Madara was powerfull enough to be unbeatable, but he became naive when he discovered that he was the only one that knew what was on the tablet.He awaken MS and EMS via what was said on the tablet, so he believed the tablet and keep this knowledge for himself, 2 mistakes.Years of build up to attain this point where it was revealed that Madara was manipulated his whole life by words on a tablet, I liked when Madara understood that he has always been a little tool in BZ hands, that must be hard for an arrogant man like him.I like when arrogant men understand they were little shits.

Kaguya was introduced 60 chapters before the end of part 2, and she wasn' t the final villain because it was said that she feared something.Kaguya was just an introduction for part 3 villains, and that' s a big mystery.
We don' t see theories anymore because we didn' t have new content.There are lots of theories to be made in relation to the information we get in Boruto 14, why do Ootsutsuki clan collect fruits for exemple...

 

[ImmortallRegis]

It's corrupted shinju / without tailed beasts

 

[HENI]

This is why I don't watch Naruto or Boruto anymore. It's lame now

 

[HyuugaHeir]

It wasn't even the concept of aliens that did it for me, I thought that was some clever world building. What the final straw was for me, was the piss poor execution of the whole thing. The manga built up Madara as a powerful presence early on in the series, then continued building him up as the final villain and even managed to make the character live up to the ridiculous hype (a rare feat indeed)... And then he was just tossed aside. Years of hype. Years of buildup. Gone. And as quickly as he was tossed aside, out of nowhere we were introduced to the FINAL final villain. It was a total joke.

Beyond that though I still think Kaguya in general was poorly handled. The manga was doing great dropping these periodic teases to the world-building. And then it had to blow it's load by not only showing us one of the few characters shrouded in mystery, but had to spell out every single detail about these mysterious characters. A little mystery goes a long way with something like this, and certainly would have kept the series alive far longer through constant theories/discussions if the manga had simply dripped little fragments and hints of what the history of the world was and left it to the audience to piece it together.

Same. For me, Kaguya could have been better if she was introduced earlier or not at all. Rather, she shouldn't have been revived only to make a fool out of Madara. The finale could have made its way back to its roots within a showdown against Madara. It was a total test of ninja survival between Naruto and Sasuke. It was just the BZ of all things that took away all the Madara hype. Also, the reincarnation plot was okay, but it was brought to a bit cringe-worthy status when Kaguya entered the frame.

I agree that the Ootsutsuki factor was a good way of world building. But as you said, tidbits could have been spoiled in frequent doses earlier so as to piece them in our most convenient way. Throwing everything by the end was an overload and it took away the other narrative which altogether seemed forced. Nevertheless, Kaguya's presence did a nice job nailing Sasuke's exit conviction to resort to his idea of revolution, sort of.\

Do you agree that Obito had too much when he shouldn't have?

 

[Deadmed]

Kaguya just wasnt threatening enough we saw right off the bat Naruto had little trouble countering her attacks. When she first showed up and body flickered next to Sakura that was intense but after that the tension winded down as she continually failed to inflict any significant damage to the protagonists. The comic relief with her having a nose bleed was also totally innapropriate and not at all funny, just slightly sus on Naruto's part.

If I were to rewrite it I would have had her come out of Madara but Madara manages to rebuild himself and retain some of the Six Paths Power and ends up fighting alongside team 7 in a temporary truce. This way we could have seen the full extent of Madara's abilities as a Jinchuriki and given Kaguya more awe-inspiring power to take on a god-level entity like Madara, with team 7 providing backup. At the end Madara gets absorbed into Kaguya, but is able to slow her down by invading her consciouness like Kimely did to Pride in Fullmetal Alchemist, allowing team 7 to take advantage of the opening.

 

[Cfighter]

Do you agree that Obito had too much when he shouldn't have?

What do you mean?

 

[HyuugaHeir]

What do you mean?

I meant he was Tobi and was used as an instrument but then he had his redemption and his contributions against Kaguya. But do you think he had too much?

 

[FemmeFatale]

Because Kakashi killed Rin