The two FORGOTTEN KKG/Genetic Abilities of the Uchiha and the Hyuga

[whiteboy2345]

Show me Bolt injecting Chakra into the network :lol Just because he's using open-palm, that doesn't mean he's using Jyuken, that was literally one of the points of the OP. Like how in Hanabi VS Bolt, both were fighting with open palms, that doesn't mean they were using the Chakra expulsion KKG . And yes, KKG can be learned, unless you're going to stupidly claim Hashirama was pulling out Wooden Dragons at the age of 10 or w/e or that Haku had instant access and mastery over his Ice style from day one

If something can be learned, it is not a Kekkei Genkai.

GF is a taijutsu art meaning anyone can learn it. Using it properly is another case which would require a Byakugan and the chakra control KKG of the Hyuga.

Kakashi can copy a Hyuga's moves and learn the GF. Can he use it properly? No.

 

[SeveN797]

Good stuff, you should do more threads like this about Sharingan/Uchiha, instead of wasting your time on boring Byakugan, but it's your choice, just saying.

OT: Susanoo is simply ninjutsu, it's being classified as Dōjutsu because it requires it to unlock, but after that is becomes just ninjutsu. In opposite to amaterasu or tsukuyomi which are literal eye techniques because they're being casted directly from eyes, in opposite to susanoo which comes from chakra in your brain.

I used to think that by simply transplanting MS eyes, they should generate MS chakra for susanoo, but it seems that it actually needs to mix with Uchiha's chakra to work. Kakashi's and Obito's example confirmed that, as you pointed Kakashi didn't just get MS eyes, but Obito's spirit was possessing him back there.

 

[Made in Heaven]

If something can be learned, it is not a Kekkei Genkai.

GF is a taijutsu art meaning anyone can learn it. Using it properly is another case which would require a Byakugan and the chakra control KKG of the Hyuga.

Kakashi can copy a Hyuga's moves and learn the GF. Can he use it properly? No.

I guess Wood Style isn't a KKG anymore.

Im not talking about the taijutsu style, I'm talking about things like rotation, air palm, and closing chakra points.

 

[whiteboy2345]

I guess Wood Style isn't a KKG anymore.

Im not talking about the taijutsu style, I'm talking about things like rotation, air palm, and closing chakra points.

Wood Style can't be used without the genetics, which means its still a Kekkei Genkai. You can't learn it, it must be in your genetic code, hence why it's called Senju "DNA"

Rotation, air palm, and closing chakra points are the Kekkei Genkai of chakra control the Hyuga have. Gentle Fist is just a taijutsu style that they created. The fact that Boruto can use a faux version of it is evidence that it is not a Kekkei Genkai, but the techniques you named were simply given the name "Gentle Fist Art".

If something can be learned without having the DNA to use it, it's not a Kekkei Genkai. A Hyuga can use the abilities you named on their own, but without training they cannot use the Gentle fist taijutsu style that you saw being used between Neji and Naruto etc.

 

[Styles]

lol read the OP

by "KKG I mean some prime factor that is needed beyond the eye that someone from either clan can use

in this case for the Uchiha the brain or consciousness

which means if a person popped in MS sharingans in their eyes and were not a Uchiha they wouldn't be able to use Susanoo let alone that former MS users Susanoo


it is all in the OP

I don't think so

Ao had a considerate amount of time to learn it but he was only able to use the byakugan insight

while that anbu who had Hyuga DNA didn't even learn it via the Hyuugas but self taught himself while only being able to awaken one byakugan and not two

also doing the same emitting chakra and hitting a chakra point or even knowing how it looks like without ever having a byakugan makes it impossible to copy a few seconds in after getting the eyes

That's literally for every doujutsu. Every eye power have to be unlocked by the DNA of the KKG user. If someone stole someone's eye's that already had MS Susano'o etc they'll be able to use those abilities as long as they have the chakra to use it.

Zetsu have used Mokuton though. sasuke I think only got healed or w/e, didn't have his DNA altered, so thats irrelevant. And Naruto hasn't even had a full on fight since getting his Hashirama arm, same for Orochimaru

Uzumaki Chains are a KKG, that's why Karin awakened it instead of learning it. Same goes for Himawari, she didn't learn GF, she awakened it.

I also said not everyone with his DNA know Mokuton. Only known "Zetsu" that used it iirc was spiral Zetsu. Sasuke have Hashirama's chakra and DNA that Kabuto tinkered the same DNA they gave edo Madara. Orochimaru as soon as he got Hashirama's cells was able to use it to strengthen his edo control.

I said it's probably not a KKG. Only Kushina had it prior to Karin if it was a KKG more Uzumaki's would have it and those was never said to be a power of that clan. Before it was just a Kushina thing due to her being special among the Uzumaki's.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Gentle Fist isn't a KKG if Boruto can learn it. The art of precise chakra control to the tips of the finger and toes is the Kekkei Genkai, not the taijutsu art itself.

again in my thread I split the notion in two

the taijutsu style can be learnt by anyone but to seal, damage, boost,etc... and to expel chakra from any tenketsu point is a ability from the Hyuga genes which can not be taught

on the notion of Boruto

he like his sister has Hyuga DNA

what Boruto currently is doing is likely just taijutsu Hyuga fighting and not what his sister did in the Hokage one shot

aka he isn't doing the REAL Gentle Fist

but even so he isn't barred from having the ability in the future since he is a Hyuga more then anything

 

[Reviewing Logic]

That's literally for every doujutsu. Every eye power have to be unlocked by the DNA of the KKG user. If someone stole someone's eye's that already had MS Susano'o etc they'll be able to use those abilities as long as they have the chakra to use it.



I also said not everyone with his DNA know Mokuton. Only known "Zetsu" that used it iirc was spiral Zetsu. Sasuke have Hashirama's chakra and DNA that Kabuto tinkered the same DNA they gave edo Madara. Orochimaru as soon as he got Hashirama's cells was able to use it to strengthen his edo control.

I said it's probably not a KKG. Only Kushina had it prior to Karin if it was a KKG more Uzumaki's would have it and those was never said to be a power of that clan. Before it was just a Kushina thing due to her being special among the Uzumaki's.

what Kakashi needed to use Susanoo was not only both of Obito's MS but also Obito's consciousness/chakra

hence why when a user upgrades to EMS they don't have the old MS users Susanoo

 

[Holy God]

what Kakashi needed to use Susanoo was not only both of Obito's MS but also Obito's consciousness/chakra

hence why when a user upgrades to EMS they don't have the old MS users Susanoo

Or it's because the eye changes to become their own, which is why they don't have access to any of the old user's techniques.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Or it's because the eye changes to become their own, which is why they don't have access to any of the old user's techniques.

indeed the eye does change as a aspect but Susanoo itself

once unlocked via MS can be used without the use of having Sharingans

but just a Uchiha body itself as seen via Blind Madara

the OP goes into detail adding all scenarios

 

[Holy God]

indeed the eye does change as a aspect but Susanoo itself

once unlocked via MS can be used without the use of having Sharingans

but just a Uchiha body itself as seen via Blind Madara

the OP goes into detail adding all scenarios

You never added any evidence for unoriginal bearers of the Mangekyou Sharingan not being able to access Susano'o in the thread however, and certainly the example of the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan does not work because none of the original abilities become available, not just Susano'o. Of course, I don't disagree with this specific point, but am simply pointing out there's no evidence (at least not posted), and it seems like a critical point that without makes the whole thing more of a hypothesis than a theory. I could point out all the things I find wrong,

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