are Limbo clones as powerful as the user?

[Hakke]

we know that the Limbo clones have the same abilities the user have but are Limbo clones equal to the user in strength? are the Limbo clones Jutsus as powerful as the user's own Jutsus?

 

[ReBoot]

It seems to me that limbo clones have a limited range, and they can not use Jutsu

 

[Megax Rocker7]

Limbo were stated to have equal power to the original, their ability to use jutsu however is still not certian.

 

[uhmusddy]

Yes because they aren't like clones that you only give a portion of your chakra. They're from an alternate dimension

Limbo world should be expanded if you ask me

There are a lot of dimensions in NV wow

 

[Belserion]

maybe. Maybe not.

 

[Hakke]

Limbo were stated to have equal power to the original, their ability to use jutsu however is still not certian.

this is what I found stated in the Databook

Perceiving this phantom is impossible, the enemies unpreparedness invites disaster.

A person who posses the Rinnegan can intervene in an adjacent world, an extremely distance world. In that space, a shadow is produced, which everyone who is connected with the current world can't feel. Not only will the Jutsu user gain a duplicate of himself with equal ability, but it will also be invisible. Squaring off against a user, counter attack is impossible, going up against this ability will result in one losing against such a powerful enemy

The Rinnegan can shape one shadow. With a complete set of two Rinnegan, it can shape 4.

When fighting the enemy in close combat the shadow will stay away. But after a time the shadow will return.

using Jutsus is an ability right?

 

[Megax Rocker7]

this is what I found stated in the Databook

Perceiving this phantom is impossible, the enemies unpreparedness invites disaster.

A person who posses the Rinnegan can intervene in an adjacent world, an extremely distance world. In that space, a shadow is produced, which everyone who is connected with the current world can't feel. Not only will the Jutsu user gain a duplicate of himself with equal ability, but it will also be invisible. Squaring off against a user, counter attack is impossible, going up against this ability will result in one losing against such a powerful enemy

The Rinnegan can shape one shadow. With a complete set of two Rinnegan, it can shape 4.

When fighting the enemy in close combat the shadow will stay away. But after a time the shadow will return.

using Jutsus is an ability right?

Maybe.

This also implies that any original owner of the rinnegan could use limbo (Hagoromo, Madara, and Sasuke), so DB should usually be taken with a grain of salt since it isn't uncommon for it to be inaccurate.

 

[Hakke]

Maybe.

This also implies that any original owner of the rinnegan could use limbo (Hagoromo, Madara, and Sasuke), so DB should usually be taken with a grain of salt since it isn't uncommon for it to be inaccurate.

True..

but nothing disproves the Limbo's ability to use Jutsus. I mean the fodder shadow clones can use Jutsus like the original, why can't the Limbo clones?

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

No they are stronger , original JJ Madara can be hurt by any senjutsu or taijutsu, limbo clone can only be damaged with Rikudo chakra.

 

[Hakke]

No they are stronger , original JJ Madara can be hurt by any senjutsu or taijutsu, limbo clone can only be damaged with Rikudo chakra.

yeah but let's say that Madara's Limbo clones can use PS (which I believe they can), would the Limbo clone's PS be equal to the Orignal Madara's PS in strength?

 

[Holy God]

Yes, as the strength of a technique is only determined by the chakra used for it. We don't know what source of chakra the shadows use, whether it be their own, Madara's original, or divisions of Madara's (similar to clones), but if they have enough to perform any given technique, then that technique's power will be as if Madara himself casted it.

 

[Hakke]

Yes, as the strength of a technique is only determined by the chakra used for it. We don't know what source of chakra the shadows use, whether it be their own, Madara's original, or divisions of Madara's (similar to clones), but if they have enough to perform any given technique, then that technique's power will be as if Madara himself casted it.

I don't think that they are divisions of Madara similar to the fodder clones. if that was the case, then the Jutsu would not be that powerful.

they are simply a copy past of him exists in another dimension. I think they have their own source of Chakra

 

[Mellanoma]

In essence they are invisible shadow clones.
The more chakra you give a clone the more powerful it is.
Madara's lack of experience with clones does also play a factor in how strong they were.


Early use of Naruto's clones showed they were weak and died from a hit or two

Late series Naruto clones were very durable could use KCM and were powerful.

Limbo should work the same way

 

[Hakke]

In essence they are invisible shadow clones.
The more chakra you give a clone the more powerful it is.
Madara's lack of experience with clones does also play a factor in how strong they were.


Early use of Naruto's clones showed they were weak and died from a hit or two

Late series Naruto clones were very durable could use KCM and were powerful.

Limbo should work the same way

the DB states that it is a duplicate of the user with equal ability so I really doubt that they are just a fodder shadow clones that are invisible.

it is a Rinnegan technieqe for the goodess sake, it should be more than that.

 

[Mellanoma]

the DB states that it is a duplicate of the user with equal ability so I really doubt that they are just a fodder shadow clones that are invisible.

it is a Rinnegan technieqe for the goodess sake, it should be more than that.

Never said they were fodder Shadow clones.

I'm just saying they are undeveloped and lacked experience from the user.

Shadow clones are also duplicates but you see how powerful they became as the series progressed

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People forget Madara was new to his abilities. His limbo capabilities were limited but im sure with time they would have developed even more. If you look at the fight both Sasuke AND madara sat there trying to figure out how their abilities worked lol.

He didn't know Senjutsu users could sense them or Rinnengan could perceive them.

 

[Holy God]

People forget Madara was new to his abilities. His limbo capabilities were limited but im sure with time they would have developed even more. If you look at the fight both Sasuke AND madara sat there trying to figure out how their abilities worked lol.

In what way was he limited? The Databook sets clear restrictions to the technique itself which Madara has fulfilled and Sasuke surely hasn't improved Amenotejikara since he's first used it.

He didn't know Senjutsu users could sense them or Rinnengan could perceive them.

Those are both literally impossible to know unless you have experience with such a thing.

 

[Mellanoma]

In what way was he limited? The Databook sets clear restrictions to the technique itself which Madara has fulfilled and Sasuke surely hasn't improved Amenotejikara since he's first used it.

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Those are both literally impossible to know unless you have experience with such a thing.

Thats the point I was making. The capabilities of Limbo were limited by the user.

 

[Holy God]

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That's Kamui.

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That's not Amenotejikara.

Thats the point I was making. The capabilities of Limbo were limited by the user.

Madara not knowing those things has literally no effect on the capabilities of Limbo though?

 

[Hakke]

Never said they were fodder Shadow clones.

I'm just saying they are undeveloped and lacked experience from the user.

Shadow clones are also duplicates but you see how powerful they became as the series progressed

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People forget Madara was new to his abilities. His limbo capabilities were limited but im sure with time they would have developed even more. If you look at the fight both Sasuke AND madara sat there trying to figure out how their abilities worked lol.

He didn't know Senjutsu users could sense them or Rinnengan could perceive them.

but the Limbo clones are special don't forget that they are immune to the physical attacks and can only be harmed with Rukido-based attacks. I doubt that they are just a normal Shadow clones that are invisible.

I think that they are just a copy-past of himself with the same strength that exists in another dimension.

 

[Mellanoma]

That's Kamui.



That's not Amenotejikara.

I was illustrating to you the capabilities once given proper experience, knowledge and development.

Sasuke couldn't escape dimensions on his own now he can travel to them freely...

Madara not knowing those things has literally no effect on the capabilities of Limbo though?

His lack of knowledge and experience for his own jutsu further proves he did not realize the capabilities of his limbo.

but the Limbo clones are special don't forget that they are immune to the physical attacks and can only be harmed with Rukido-based attacks. I doubt that they are just a normal Shadow clones that are invisible.

I think that they are just a copy-past of himself with the same strength that exists in another dimension.

I said they are like Shadow clones as they can perform abilities the normal user could do with proper training and experience with Naruto being the example.

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Naruto's clones could go toe to toe with kage level shinobi AND took damage without dispersing. What im saying is Madara's lack of knowledge of his own jutsu possibly limited them as he had the chakra but lacked experience and knowledge of how his clones operated. If you gave Madara enough time im sure his clones would be extremely powerful and capable of doing all his abilities just like KCM Naruto clones

Also one critical element we are leaving out is that Madara had to cast IT which for all we know took a massive amount of chakra meaning he held back on his clone capabilities and production.