wich religion would you choose and why??????

[Conspirator.]

If I was forced to pick one religion to follow my first choice would be Buddhism.

 

[minamoto]

If I was forced to pick one religion to follow my first choice would be Buddhism.

didn't read!!!..stay ignorelisted!!

 

[Callypigia]

I'm a Buddhist. I'm really not interested in other religions. If I had to pick another one it would be Jainism.

 

[~Sasuke~]

I do not subscribe to any religion.

 

[JStar King]

I'm a Baptist Christian.

 

[Deadlift]

religion has protected people though, albeit it has in the past narrowed peoples perspective and ostracized groups but its perfectly rational to be scientific and religious at the same time in present time

Leave him alone, I easily refuted him twice when he tried to bring up Lawrence Krauss to disprove religion. Not in the position to tell others that they don't know how to think

 

[Deadlift]

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Why? :')

 

[Our Lord Sasuke]

religion has protected people though, albeit it has in the past narrowed peoples perspective and ostracized groups but its perfectly rational to be scientific and religious at the same time in present time

Not really, if the only way by how you can make people be "people" and to do good deeds is only by religion and not by their own rationality.. it is sad. Children need to learn about how the world works and how to discern good by evil.

 

[Our Lord Sasuke]

Leave him alone, I easily refuted him twice when he tried to bring up Lawrence Krauss to disprove religion. Not in the position to tell others that they don't know how to think

Yeah, tell the children that they were created by somebody in the sky 6,000 years ago and that after they die they will end up in a boring paradise or in a hell where they will burn for eternity. :sdo:

 

[Deadlift]

Yeah, tell the children that they were created by somebody in the sky 6,000 years ago and that after they die they will end up in a boring paradise or in a hell where they will burn for eternity. :sdo:

And here we have the conflation of the strawman fallacy with the red herring fallacy

-> I don't believe that the universe is 6000 years old nor do I know of any serious Christian who does
-> I don't believe in that conception of Heaven and Hell
-> even if I did, that would be irrelevant

Tell the children that quantum particles can pop into being uncaused out of nothing and that the universe must have originated in that way as well.

 

[Our Lord Sasuke]

And here we have the conflation of the strawman fallacy with the red herring fallacy

-> I don't believe that the universe is 6000 years old nor do I know of any serious Christian who does
-> I don't believe in that conception of Heaven and Hell
-> even if I did, that would be irrelevant

Tell the children that quantum particles can pop into being uncaused out of nothing and that the universe must have originated in that way as well.

Man we do not know how was the universe created, is just a hypothesis that the Big Bang was caused by via a random quantum fluctuation of the the quantum vacuum. Nobody said that this is for sure, just suggests it is possible.

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The point is that is absolute nothing doesn't not exist, you always will have laws of the quantum physics and virtual particles which pop in and out of existence all the time, it's a brute fact, even Sean Caroll said that.

There are famous physicists who have come to the same conclusion just like Stephen Hawking, Lawrence Krauss, Alex Vilenkin, but no one of them said 100% certainly that really happened. It is very possible that our universe can be eternal.

Whatever the scenario, we do not know, and we probably will never know, but that doesn't mean that God created it. That why we always stop at the singularity.
God did it, God did it, God did it.
God of gaps.

 

[Deadlift]

Man we do not know how was the universe created, is just a hypothesis that the Big Bang was caused by via a random quantum fluctuation of the the quantum vacuum. Nobody said that this is for sure, just suggests it is possible.

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The point is that is absolute nothing doesn't not exist, you always will have laws of the quantum physics and virtual particles which pop in and out of existence all the time, it's a brute fact, even Sean Caroll said that.

There are famous physicists who have come to the same conclusion just like Stephen Hawking, Lawrence Krauss, Alex Vilenkin, but no one of them said 100% certainly that really happened. It is very possible that our universe can be eternal.

Whatever the scenario, we do not know, and we probably will never know, but that doesn't mean that God created it. That why we always stop at the singularity.
God did it, God did it, God did it.
God of gaps.

What's funny is that you keep throwing red herrings hoping that I would follow them instead of calling you out for not staying on topic.

I've never used any God of the gaps reasoning, actually I haven't argued for any cosmological model at all!

You say that Carroll claims that "absolute nothing doesn't exist" two things come to mind now:

1) that would be enough to expose Krauss and his universe from nothing for the frauds they are
2) all Carroll is saying is that he defends an eternal universe model, and hence you obviously wouldn't have any first moment in time. Now, is Carroll certain of the truth of his own model? Not at all, he's actually very skeptical of it. As he himself explains, cosmologists are just trying to build cosmologies which are at least not inherently self defeating, and that's because the data we possess at the moment aren't enough to let us go any further than that. He says it also in the Bill Craig debate you yourself posted here, and that confirms my suspicion that you didn't listen to it.

There's no other meaning of nothing apart from the one you call "absolute nothing". As Oxford philosopher Peter Millican puts it: "of course quantum vacuum is not nothing, but it's the closest we've got".
There's no right Krauss or you or I have to make the definition of that word so plastic, and the idea that Krauss wanted us to buy, that something can come into being out of nothing without a cause is a scam, as I've had occasion to explain several times, and you've always failed to give any reason to think otherwise.

 

[Vulpini]

All religions are dog shit.

However, I do think some of the buddhist principles/teachings are worthy of following.

 

[~Ethereal~]

Yeah, I always liked Buddhism. Only religion that doesn't get on my nerves.

 

[kimb]

Judaism because i want to be rich and cool

Doin it for the shekels, ay?

 

[HENI]

Doin it for the shekels, ay?

Of course LOL

 

[Genocide]

Not really, if the only way by how you can make people be "people" and to do good deeds is only by religion and not by their own rationality.. it is sad. Children need to learn about how the world works and how to discern good by evil.

in the middle ages they needed it, maybe not now since globalisation and morales everywhere, but being religious and scientific is perfectly normal

 

[Our Lord Sasuke]

What's funny is that you keep throwing red herrings hoping that I would follow them instead of calling you out for not staying on topic.

I've never used any God of the gaps reasoning, actually I haven't argued for any cosmological model at all!

You say that Carroll claims that "absolute nothing doesn't exist" two things come to mind now:

1) that would be enough to expose Krauss and his universe from nothing for the frauds they are
2) all Carroll is saying is that he defends an eternal universe model, and hence you obviously wouldn't have any first moment in time. Now, is Carroll certain of the truth of his own model? Not at all, he's actually very skeptical of it. As he himself explains, cosmologists are just trying to build cosmologies which are at least not inherently self defeating, and that's because the data we possess at the moment aren't enough to let us go any further than that. He says it also in the Bill Craig debate you yourself posted here, and that confirms my suspicion that you didn't listen to it.

There's no other meaning of nothing apart from the one you call "absolute nothing". As Oxford philosopher Peter Millican puts it: "of course quantum vacuum is not nothing, but it's the closest we've got".
There's no right Krauss or you or I have to make the definition of that word so plastic, and the idea that Krauss wanted us to buy, that something can come into being out of nothing without a cause is a scam, as I've had occasion to explain several times, and you've always failed to give any reason to think otherwise.

But what did I say earlier? :| no one scientist knows with certainty which model is correct and neither of them has said with certainty that their model is correct, but only suggests or it is possible.
On the other hand, religion / philosophy only disturbs the waters, science is based on empirical evidence, and years of scrutiny and efforts trying to reach certain conclusions.

You have no way of knowing if absolutely nothing exists or is just an abstract, the theists use that thing as an argument from which only God can create something, they deny any other variant of nothing that scientists refer. Do you think people such as Neil Tyson, Lawrence Krauss, Sean Carroll, Stephen Hawking did not think about the possibility that God exists? Science does not try to prove that God does not exist, but that it is not necessary or useful to explain the universe in which we live. People want to believe that because this gives them comfort.
So I do not know whether God exists or not, but I do not believe because I don't see it necessary, just as flying unicorns are not necessary, they are irrelevant.
People need to be more curious and honest and ask as many questions as possible, not to use the idea that "God did it"

What was God doing before created the universe? He was not bored because he waited an eternity? Is fun because maybe not you but there I people which do not ask such questions.

What does it help if I believe in a God?

 

[Deadlift]

But what did I say earlier? :| no one scientist knows with certainty which model is correct and neither of them has said with certainty that their model is correct, but only suggests or it is possible.
On the other hand, religion / philosophy only disturbs the waters, science is based on empirical evidence, and years of scrutiny and efforts trying to reach certain conclusions.

You have no way of knowing if absolutely nothing exists or is just an abstract, the theists use that thing as an argument from which only God can create something, they deny any other variant of nothing that scientists refer. Do you think people such as Neil Tyson, Lawrence Krauss, Sean Carroll, Stephen Hawking did not think about the possibility that God exists? Science does not try to prove that God does not exist, but that it is not necessary or useful to explain the universe in which we live. People want to believe that because this gives them comfort.
So I do not know whether God exists or not, but I do not believe because I don't see it necessary, just as flying unicorns are not necessary, they are irrelevant.
People need to be more curious and honest and ask as many questions as possible, not to use the idea that "God did it"

What was God doing before created the universe? He was not bored because he waited an eternity? Is fun because maybe not you but there I people which do not ask such questions.

What does it help if I believe in a God?

I find it utterly incredible that in literally every point you make you feel the need to insert red herrings and attacks to some strawman versions of theism. You must indeed find these kinds of arguments very powerful, but the truth is that the dishonesty of this strategy is only comparable to its hopelessness.

You say that we cannot know for certain how the universe came into being and I actually agree, but then you proceed to state that it's a possibility that it arose out of nothing via quantum particles. But we actually know that the phenomenon you're talking about is actually part of what is called quantum fluctuation. Does quantum fluctuation have particles popping in and out of existence? Not in the slightest.

So all you're saying is that maybe the universe arose from preexisting quantum fields, but in that case, those too would require an explanation of their existence if you want to pursue your case to a point of theological significance.

Plus, you gave no answer to the whole nothing = quantum vacuum equivocation. Krauss responded to similar criticisms by saying: "what I care about is the nothing of reality, and if the nothing of reality is full of stuff then I'll go away with that". Like, really? Nothing full of stuff?

All you said to defend your position was that Carroll said that absolute nothing never existed, but remember how that, if put in context, does you little favor and, on the contrary, is a danger for the model Krauss defend and you support, in which the universe is supposed to have had a beginning, whereas Carroll disagrees.

You ask if I think that Hawking and co. have never thought of the possibility of the existence of God. I don't care, to be honest, because pretty much all of the gentlemen you named have shown a pretty messed up conception of God, and utter disdain for subjects such as philosophy and theology (Carroll being the exception here). In any case, not relevant.

You say that science works to render God not necessary anymore. Really? The last time I heard something similar was from Ken Ham in his Bill Nye debate. Of course he was complaining about that instead of being triumphant as you are, but do you really want me to buy that scientists are some sort of a freemasonic lodge that work day and night for the sake of some positivistic utopia? Including those who believe in God and those who aren't interested in the subject? That's plain conspiracy theory.

You ask me what God was doing before creating the universe. The obvious answer is that one of God's attributes is transcendence, so by definition He's outside of time. In any case, if time itself began with the universe, there would be no time to wait in the first place.

 

[Shroud]

Easy i choose Tobidara Clan
but between the 3 i guess id choose Christianity because deus vult