Can Byakugan users escape genjutsu with closed eyes ??

[JaphethCrenshaw]

Both refer to insight/perception. And Byakugan's insight is superior.

Sasuke describes the Sharingan's ability to read through ninjuts taijutsu and genjutsu, every movement, every handseal, and being able to sense genjutsu the moment it's cast. I mean Itachi even reflected Kurenai's genjutsu, he literally took control of a genjutsu that wasn't his to begin with.

When Kakashi talks about the Byakugan's penetrative sight, he's speaking about how much it can see, as in your organs, and your chakra system. The Sharingan can only see the chakra flow. Kakashi's words were immediately betrayed by the explanation we were given about the Byakugan's abilities, showing that it's abilities are in a completely different spectrum than the Sharingan's and that saying it's penetrative sight is better than the Sharingan's is pointless because the context of that which the eyes can penetrate is different.

The Sharingan does not have a penetrative sight in the same context of the Byakugan so comparing their penetrative sights was a completely useless panel by Kishimoto.

 

[shelke]

Sasuke describes the Sharingan's ability to read through ninjuts taijutsu and genjutsu, every movement, every handseal, and being able to sense genjutsu the moment it's cast. I mean Itachi even reflected Kurenai's genjutsu, he literally took control of a genjutsu that wasn't his to begin with.

When Kakashi talks about the Byakugan's penetrative sight, he's speaking about how much it can see, as in your organs, and your chakra system. The Sharingan can only see the chakra flow. Kakashi's words were immediately betrayed by the explanation we were given about the Byakugan's abilities, showing that it's abilities are in a completely different spectrum than the Sharingan's and that saying it's penetrative sight is better than the Sharingan's is pointless because the context of that which the eyes can penetrate is different.

The Sharingan does not have a penetrative sight in the same context of the Byakugan so comparing their penetrative sights was a completely useless panel by Kishimoto.

That was probably Kakashi's own shitty use of Sharingan as Sasuke was able to see all the muscles and blood vessels to gaze at Nano sized bombs. So, his statement is pretty much useless in part II.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Sasuke describes the Sharingan's ability to read through ninjuts taijutsu and genjutsu, every movement, every handseal, and being able to sense genjutsu the moment it's cast.

Byakugan can do that. What is reading ninjutsu beyond knowing the hand seals and how the Chakra molding works? What is reading taijutsu beyond foreseeing movements and keeping up with the opponent? And what is reading genjutsu beyond knowing when it is cast? All of this has even been shown. Ninjutsu with Neji Vs Kidomaru. Taijutsu with Neji VS Naruto. And Genjutsu when Hinata tried to see if Tobi was an illusion.

I mean Itachi even reflected Kurenai's genjutsu, he literally took control of a genjutsu that wasn't his to begin with.

Of course eyes will have deferring powers based on the user. I am not talking about that.

When Kakashi talks about the Byakugan's penetrative sight, he's speaking about how much it can see, as in your organs, and your chakra system. The Sharingan can only see the chakra flow. Kakashi's words were immediately betrayed by the explanation we were given about the Byakugan's abilities, showing that it's abilities are in a completely different spectrum than the Sharingan's and that saying it's penetrative sight is better than the Sharingan's is pointless because the context of that which the eyes can penetrate is different. The Sharingan does not have a penetrative sight in the same context of the Byakugan so comparing their penetrative sights was a completely useless panel by Kishimoto.

No he isn't, he is talking about it's insight/perception/acuity. The raw says insight, the more literal translations from fans (unlike VIZ who often change up the wording) also says insight. "Penetrate" can also mean to understand/decipher/comprehend something. In other words, to have insight on something.

That was probably Kakashi's own shitty use of Sharingan as Sasuke was able to see all the muscles and blood vessels to gaze at Nano sized bombs. So, his statement is pretty much useless in part II.

Micropscopic vision doesn't relate to being able to comprehend things. Just as 360 vision has nothing to do with the Byakugan being able to foresee attacks or see through Genjutsu.

 

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[davidou]

I think that the only time they've shown chakra system in the manga was this one :

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However , I'm not even sure on this one ...

Isn' t that the view of byakugan looking at a ninja?
I only see tenketsu, I don' t see eyes, so his reasonning is valid.

 

[Misо]

A direct eye contact isn't needed ; a look is enough . Read the thread and then make such comments

Whats the difference between looking and direct contact? lmao what?
Byakugan cant see details behind a barrier, like the eye. Just chakra.

 

[Misо]

Eyes are parts of Chakra System , though ....

Yeah, so are internal organs, but a Byakugan cant see that lol.

If the byakugan cant see large internal organs behind a barrier of skin, muscle, and bones, what makes you think they can see eyes (which is ALSO an organ) behind a barrier, that is their eyelids?

 

[SZiaee]

Whats the difference between looking and direct contact? lmao what?

Direct eye contact : Gazing at each other ; like this picture .

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Look : direct one's gaze toward someone or something or in a specified direction.
Example : "people were looking at him" : It doesn't mean that they were gazing at each other ; it just means that they were gazing at him .

Byakugan cant see details behind a barrier, like the eye. Just chakra.

Genjutsu is still a jutsu :elmo: And jutsu uses Chakra :elmo:
Genjutsu (幻術, Literally meaning: Illusionary Techniques) is one of the main jutsu categories which uses chakra.

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[Misо]

Direct eye contact : Gazing at each other ; like this picture .

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Look : direct one's gaze toward someone or something or in a specified direction.
Example : "people were looking at him" : It doesn't mean that they were gazing at each other ; it just means that they were gazing at him .



Genjutsu is still a jutsu :elmo: And jutsu uses Chakra :elmo:
Genjutsu (幻術, Literally meaning: Illusionary Techniques) is one of the main jutsu categories which uses chakra.

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Theres still little to no difference. Using your logic, Itachi should be able to put people in a genjutsu with his eyes closed, if they look at his eyelid. Now that doesn't sound right.

I'm confused on what you're trying to say. Clearly, from the picture above, byakugan cant see eyes through barrier. So you're saying if they look at where his eyes should be, they'd be in a genjutsu?? The problem with that is you need direct eye contact to be put in a genjutsu. If Itachi cant see your eyes, and you cant see his eyes, how would the genjutsu work?

"Most genjutsu is performed visually, requiring the target make eye contact with the caster. Other methods include integration with nature transformation, as shown with Water and Lightning Release,"

^ You need direct eye contact. Itachi can't make eye contact with someone if their eyes are closed.

 

[SZiaee]

I'm confused on what you're trying to say. Clearly, from the picture above, byakugan cant see eyes through barrier. So you're saying if they look at where his eyes should be, they'd be in a genjutsu?? The problem with that is you need direct eye contact to be put in a genjutsu. If Itachi cant see your eyes, and you cant see his eyes, how would the genjutsu work?

Take a look at this panel again :

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Itachi says : "don't look into my eyes" .... so what do you get from this ?? I get that if you look into Itachi's eyes , genjutsu works ....
Genjutsu works with Chakra ... It has some signals in the user's eyes . So if you look at the place of eyes , genjutsu works .
The key word is "look" ... Look and eye contact are different :
Example :
I and you had eye contact : Means that I looked into your eyes and you also looked into my eyes .
I looked at you : means that I looked at your body ....
So when eye contact , both of them are looking at each other .
......

^ You need direct eye contact. Itachi can't make eye contact with someone if their eyes are closed.

When Itachi says : "Don't look into my eyes" , it does not matter whether they are having eye contact or not ... If they look at Itachi's eyes , genjutsu works ....

 

[shelke]

Micropscopic vision doesn't relate to being able to comprehend things. Just as 360 vision has nothing to do with the Byakugan being able to foresee attacks or see through Genjutsu.

I have no clue what you are even trying to say and how it relates to my post.

 

[Misо]

Take a look at this panel again :

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Itachi says : "don't look into my eyes" .... so what do you get from this ?? I get that if you look into Itachi's eyes , genjutsu works ....
Genjutsu works with Chakra ... It has some signals in the user's eyes . So if you look at the place of eyes , genjutsu works .
The key word is "look" ... Look and eye contact are different :
Example :
I and you had eye contact : Means that I looked into your eyes and you also looked into my eyes .
I looked at you : means that I looked at your body ....
So when eye contact , both of them are looking at each other .
......

When Itachi says : "Don't look into my eyes" , it does not matter whether they are having eye contact or not ... If they look at Itachi's eyes , genjutsu works ....

And you know this because...? How do you know the jutsu requires you to look at the chakra, and not the eyes specifically? The chakra powers up the eyes for a genjutsu, its not the chakra itself. Even the databooks say this.

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Its a Sharingan ability. If everyone just had to focus chakra into their eyes to cast a genjutsu, then they wouldnt call it a Sharingan ability.

Plus, it says right there that you need eye to eye contact lol.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

And you know this because...? How do you know the jutsu requires you to look at the chakra, and not the eyes specifically? The chakra powers up the eyes for a genjutsu, its not the chakra itself. Even the databooks say this.

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Its a Sharingan ability. If everyone just had to focus chakra into their eyes to cast a genjutsu, then they wouldnt call it a Sharingan ability.

Plus, it says right there that you need eye to eye contact lol.

fcking thank you. Ni&&as wanna play semantics as if direct eye contact hasn't been cleared up. I.e. Kabuto hiding his face to avoid THEIR gaze.

 

[davidou]

And you know this because...? How do you know the jutsu requires you to look at the chakra, and not the eyes specifically? The chakra powers up the eyes for a genjutsu, its not the chakra itself. Even the databooks say this.

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Its a Sharingan ability. If everyone just had to focus chakra into their eyes to cast a genjutsu, then they wouldnt call it a Sharingan ability.

Plus, it says right there that you need eye to eye contact lol.

Those Uchiha fans look pityfull trying to conclude something with a sentence as vague as "don' t look at my eyes".
That sentence doesn' t prove that a look is enough, Uchiha fans are haters of everything that isn' t a Uchiha, they are so stupid that they will probably deny the databook that clearly states eye contact is needed.
Byakugan fodderizes eye contact sharingan genjutsus, that is proven, Uchiha fans will deny.

 

[SZiaee]

And you know this because...? How do you know the jutsu requires you to look at the chakra, and not the eyes specifically? The chakra powers up the eyes for a genjutsu, its not the chakra itself. Even the databooks say this.

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Its a Sharingan ability. If everyone just had to focus chakra into their eyes to cast a genjutsu, then they wouldnt call it a Sharingan ability.

Plus, it says right there that you need eye to eye contact lol.

"Don't look into my eyes" is completely clear .... You're on denail .
If Byakugan users close their eyes , they are still looking . And that's enough

 

[Made in Heaven]

I have no clue what you are even trying to say and how it relates to my post.

Microscopic vision has no relation to how good Sharingan's insight is (what Kakashi was talking about). Just as Byakugan's 360 visioon or Telescope vision has no relation to it's insight.

 

[shelke]

Microscopic vision has no relation to how good Sharingan's insight is (what Kakashi was talking about). Just as Byakugan's 360 visioon or Telescope vision has no relation to it's insight.

Read the dialogue again and focus of 'tips of the needle' argument this time around. That'll help you out.

 

[Michael]

Yeah

 

[SZiaee]

Yeah

nope

 

[davidou]

Take a look at this panel again :

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Itachi says : "don't look into my eyes" .... so what do you get from this ?? I get that if you look into Itachi's eyes , genjutsu works ....
Genjutsu works with Chakra ... It has some signals in the user's eyes . So if you look at the place of eyes , genjutsu works .
The key word is "look" ... Look and eye contact are different :
Example :
I and you had eye contact : Means that I looked into your eyes and you also looked into my eyes .
I looked at you : means that I looked at your body ....
So when eye contact , both of them are looking at each other .
......

When Itachi says : "Don't look into my eyes" , it does not matter whether they are having eye contact or not ... If they look at Itachi's eyes , genjutsu works ....

Your first deduction is wrong, unfortunately the rest is wrong too.
Itachi said that to Bee because Itachi was looking at Bee.If Bee looks at Itachi's eyes, he will create eye contact, exactly like the databook says.