Has Kishimoto ever stated how strong Toneri is?

[Deadmed]

I though I heard he said he was Madara level in an interview.

 

[wanderingcactus]

depends on which Madara you're talking about.

Toneri's tenseigan was not fully set. you can tell this by looking at his eyes and the chakra is still swirling about and not golden but rather still blue.

So new rinnegan Madara, yes.
revived Madara with double rinnegan, not so much.
JJ Madara, definitely not.
JJ Madara + god tree, lol.

Toneri might have a chance to be JJ + god tree level had his fully developed tenseigan + sun energy/chakra
he's technically superman at that point. just soaking up the sun

 

[SZiaee]

He said Rinnegan = Tenseigan .
We have no clue how Toneri will dodge Limbo ....

 

[KidGamer65]

No, all those comments were fake. The only thing we know of Toneri's power is that he can't defeat The Last KCSM Naruto.

 

[Jay SixPaths13]

No, all those comments were fake. The only thing we know of Toneri's power is that he can't defeat The Last KCSM Naruto.

A fully mastered KCSM Naruto that was able to activate the mode in different parts of his body and was able to free Kurama out and fight independently. Naruto was also training hard for the past 2 years, not to mention that, he also had Hashirama's arm that contains his chakra so that boosts Naruto's attributes up a notch and had all of Kurama inside of him so he was boosted alot from the war arc till then.

 

[Jay SixPaths13]

By feats, Toneri is above any form of Madara

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

I though I heard he said he was Madara level in an interview.

That was completely fake

 

[~Sasuke~]

I don't recall he has, no.

 

[To Whatever]

He was about to one shot the entire planet.

 

[KidGamer65]

A fully mastered KCSM Naruto that was able to activate the mode in different parts of his body and was able to free Kurama out and fight independently. Naruto was also training hard for the past 2 years, not to mention that, he also had Hashirama's arm that contains his chakra so that boosts Naruto's attributes up a notch and had all of Kurama inside of him so he was boosted alot from the war arc till then.

Yes, he's stronger. Obviously. :lol

 

[Jay SixPaths13]

Yes, he's stronger. Obviously. :lol

lol I know , its the way you said it. You made it seem like Toneri was trash lol

 

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Believe in the Hype!

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Fourth Databook proof!!!

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Translation: Hiruzen earned the title of professor for being a researcher. He was trained by both Hashirama and Tobirama, as the man that would succeed them. At a young age he showed greater talent than Tobirama. Ability in all Five Nature Alterations, Ability in all Hiden (clan techniques), Genjutsu, Ability in all Ninjutsu existing in Konoha which explains his reputation as the professor. His title of Professor is no joke, hence the essence of Hiruzen is his talent with ninjutsu. Everyone in the village is his family member

5 Elements - Not even his full power???

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Since Hiruzen was revived at old age, his chakra and power should be as low as before but wait... Tobirama states that the Hokage have been revived "close to original power" this means Hiruzen was revived weaker then he was alive at old age yet he was able to produce the 5 Elements at such mastery that it was even capable of stalemating the Buddha Statue while the 5 Kage couldn't. Just imagine his Prime.

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Hiruzen knows and could perform all non KKG Hidden Leaf Jutsu which equals = The use of the Ino–Shika–Chō at will with Kage Bunshin

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Broken Ninjutsu versatility

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Hiruzen utilizing the Inuzuka Clan's ability of an enhanced sense of smell to catch the 2 Hokage in complete darkness.

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Hidden Leaf Tech

Bringer of Darkness, Great Clone Explosion
Water Clone Technique
Water Release: Water Colliding Wave
Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet Technique
Water Release: Water Encampment Wall
Water Release: Water Trumpet
Demonic Illusion: Hell Viewing Technique
Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique
Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall
Earth Release: Hiding Like a Mole Technique
Earth Release: Multiple Earth-Style Wall (Anime only)
Eight Gates
Evil Sealing Method
Eye Mind Reading
Front Lotus
Lion Combo
Multiple Shadow Clone Technique
One Thousand Years of Death
Shadow Clone Technique
Shadow Imitation Technique
Water Needle
Shadow of the Dancing Leaf
Summoning: Earth Release: Tracking Fang Technique
Wind Release: Great Breakthrough


Sarutobi Clan
Fire Release: Ash Pile Burning
Fire Release: Great Flame Technique
Earth Release Shadow Clone
Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique
Earth Release: Earth Dragon Bullet
Earth Release: Earth Flow River
Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Bullet
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Flame Bullet
Roof Tile Shuriken
Shadow Clone Technique
Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique
Summoning Technique (Monkey King: Enma)
Telescope Technique


Izunaka Clan
Beast Human Clone
Dynamic Marking
Fang Passing Fang
Fang Rotating Fang (Manga only) - Capable of crushing stone
Fang Wolf Fang - The power is great enough to dent a Rashōmon gate
Four Legs Technique
Human Beast Combination Transformation: Double-Headed Wolf
Passing Fang

Akimichi clan
Butterfly Bullet Bombing
Calorie Control
Double Human Bullet Tank
Human Bullet Tank
Multi-Size Technique
Partial Multi-Size Technique
Spiked Human Bullet Tank
Super Multi-Size Technique
Super Open Hand Slap

Nara clan
Black Spider Lily
Shadow Gathering Technique
Shadow Imitation Shuriken Technique
Shadow Imitation Technique
Shadow Sewing Technique
Shadow–Neck Binding Technique

Yamanaka Clan
Mind Body Disturbance Technique
Mind Body Switch Technique
Mind Clone Switch Technique
Mind Disturbance Dance Performance Technique (Anime only)
Mind Puppet Switch Cursed Seal Technique
Yamanaka Clan Telepathy

Uchiha Clan
Fire Release: Dragon Flame Release Song Technique
Fire Release: Great Dragon Fire Technique
Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Fire Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Flower Nail Crimson
Manipulating Windmill Triple Blades

Uzumaki Clan

Dead Demon Consuming Seal
Five Elements Unseal

OP Summoning Monkey King Enma

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The Third hokage's comrade in arms, the monkey king enma's transformation jutsu Characterized by the hardness of diamond and its at-will extensibility, Kongou Nyoi-Bou is Sandaime's"weapon of choice", so to speak and with it in hand he's made it through a world of war for an extended period of time.

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Enma is capable of using Transformation: Adamantine Staff, which allows him to turn into a extending and expanding staff that is as hard as adamantine, capable of cutting through the Shinju branches easily. By extending in staff form, Enma can even push Kurama out of Konoha rather easily. He is also able to produce various body parts, such as eyes or arms, from the staff. Additionally, Enma can still move on his own in the staff form, allowing him to return to Hiruzen. Enma can even clone himself in his staff form, turning him into any number of smaller staffs that he uses for Adamantine Prison Wall, a move that can even protect against Hashirama Senju's Wood Release techniques.

Durability Feats - Super Kage Bunshin???

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Hiruzen has shown to have excellent durability feats at age 69 with his Kage Bunshin as one of his clones was stabbed by Hashirama with 4 Kunai in the chest yet did not disperse until Hiruzen was done with it. He was also able to hold Orochimaru's soul for an hour long despite being stabbed through the chest by the Sword of Kusangi.

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Dangerous CQC

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]Even past his Prime, Hiruzen had showed excellent Close Quarter Combat skills. Moments after sealing parts of his soul away to seal the Edo Hokage and exhausting his remaining Chakra on Kage Bunshin, he was still able to easily disarm Orochimaru from his Sword of Kusangi with great ease and catch him to prepare his sealing Jutsu. He was also able to easily break through the Shinju branches and save Naruto despite Tobirama and Minato unable to get through.


Strong fighters such as Aye couldn't do much against Wood Style from Madara. Only Onoki managed to destroy lots of Wood with his Jinton which even damaged edo-Madara. Tsunade destroying a Wood Clone don't count because it was merely a clone. Same with edo-Madara cutting Hashirama's Wood clone in half don't count. Tobirama failed to destroy all of the Juubi Wood Style with his Water Style Ninjutsu. Minato said he didn't have enough chakra to teleport Naruto away. Which means that Minato couldn't destroy the Wood either. He could only teleport Naruto away. That was his only option. The first time Madara used Wood Style, characters such as Gaara or Dodai were saying that it's GG right now because they can't do anything to that Wood. Only Naruto saved their asses. So you see, Kage level fighters like Tobirama, Minato, Gaara, Aye were powerless against Wood Style. But Hiruzen and a few others managed to cut through the Wood like paper. The only other person who had cut through the Wood so easily was EMS Sasuke with his Susanoo sword.

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Intelligence "The Professor"

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Having been around the previous 3 Shinobi World War, Hiruzen's knowledge and experience in all forms of Shinobi combat are unparalleled. Although brief, we only get to see a glimpse of "The Professor"

One great example would include when Hiruzen combined the Reaper Death Seal with Kage Bunshin to try and seal multiple souls at once. This was a genius move because it would help delay the sealing of his own soul enough to go after Orochimaru's soul next.

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The last time we see a glimpse of Hiruzen's intelligence was when he personally engages Obito so that nobody needs to put their lives at risk, taking advantage of the fact that he's already dead to analyse Obito's abilities. By observing Obito's Truth-Seeking Balls with his specialty, the Shuriken Kage Bunshin, he theorizes that they are similar to the Third Tsuchikage's kekkei tōta in that they are a combination of multiple nature transformations. He also postulates that the Truth-Seeking Balls have limits to the duration of their malleability, but his upper body is destroyed immediately after that. He was able to deduce the Truth-Seeking Balls, (a technique that is beyond Shinobi knowledge) in mere seconds after seeing it

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Further Hype and Testimonials

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Orochimaru admitting that he would be killed by a 59 year old Hiruzen.

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Danzo in his dying moments admitting inferiority despite possessing Izanagi, Kotoamatsukami and Hashirama's DNA.

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Kabuto, a spy who has spied on and knows all about the Shinobi countries states that an old Hiruzen was stronger then all the 5 Kage at the time. Just imagine his Prime.

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Even with the entire SA and 5 Kage, Shikamaru states that only Hiruzen could contend with Guruguru at the time.

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Considers himself to be the strongest in his group which also included Tobirama. Confident enough to take on the entire Kinkaku and survive.

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Extra Databook Hype

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"The sandaime, in particular, was a genius nicknamed the 'Professor,' and was called the strongest of all the Hokage".

the Sandaime was the strongest.

Databook 1, Page 117

The "Professor" revered as the strongest Hokage in history.

Databook 1, Page 119

"History's Strongest", "Genius", etc., there are many words that describe the Sandaime Hokage.

DB2 Pg 84
Konohamaru paragraph:

Konohamaru, descended from Sandaime, who was praised as history’s strongest Hokage.

"Hiruzen in his Prime was able to counter every Leaf Jutsu in Existance including all MS and EMS skills." DB2 Pg 84

Konohamaru paragraph:

Konohamaru, descended from Sandaime, who was praised as history’s strongest Hokage.

He who even holds the affectionate name of "Professor," being well-versed in every jutsu that exists in the village of Konohagakure

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[FemmeFatale]

No he was filler, I dont think Kishi had anything to do with him

 

[ninjarasengan]

I though I heard he said he was Madara level in an interview.

He never made a statement about that...it's fake, just like the one about Madara being around Nappa lv.

Kishimoto is not Toriyama...don't think he makes these kind of Statements about his characters=D

 

[Reviewing Logic]

No he was filler, I dont think Kishi had anything to do with him

not only is he not filler

Kishi wanted him to be present in the future due to his liking of the character, but SP didn't allow Kishi to have him in Boruto the LAST due to time crunch, etc...

in a recent interview we learnt that this last two episode had Kishi's heavy involvement in it's development/plot

 

[Rikudo no Sasuke]

toneri is almost at tobirama's level

 

[patrickscott]

He needed to steal a pure byakugan and 100 other byakugans to achieve TCM that's not strength that's desperation.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

To split a moon, how powerful do you need to be to do that?

 

[patrickscott]

To split a moon, how powerful do you need to be to do that?

Pretty sure Pain could do it. Maddy's PS too, um JJ Obito JJ MAddy, Kaguya Hagoromo, not sure about Hamura. He was portrayed to be pretty weak.

 

[Genocide]

A fully mastered KCSM Naruto that was able to activate the mode in different parts of his body and was able to free Kurama out and fight independently. Naruto was also training hard for the past 2 years, not to mention that, he also had Hashirama's arm that contains his chakra so that boosts Naruto's attributes up a notch and had all of Kurama inside of him so he was boosted alot from the war arc till then.

i doubt hashis dna would do anything since he has hagoromos dna