Were the Hyuga even the strongest with the absence of the Uchiha?

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Quit talking about durability. Idk how many times I and Kishimoto have to say this, but Gentle Fist bypasses human durability. Kisame was considered the tailless Bijuu because of his chakra, not his durability. Now you are just making things up because you don't want to admit that your favorite's jutsu has a very large shortcoming.

And I don't need to know you to know what you are blatantly doing in this thread.

"Potential fact"

It was shown. Thus it is a fact. Not "potential". Just a fact.

Looking at Kisame, I don't think he's a simple human. I think he had gills at some point. and forgive me about the "potential fact."
Truth be told, I am moved by your arguments and I acknowledge them. I didn't think I was making up things.

@inclined I am still here because you make strong points. and yep the Username basically tells a lot about me. but don't you think you're being hypocrite? you also don't seem to accept that I have my own reasons for my own understanding and you resort to generalize all Hyuuga fans.
 

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I don't really care who like you better at the end of the day. The point is you are the butthurt one and you are the one who makes no sense.



Quit talking about durability. Idk how many times I and Kishimoto have to say this, but Gentle Fist bypasses human durability. Kisame was considered the tailless Bijuu because of his chakra, not his durability. Now you are just making things up because you don't want to admit that your favorite's jutsu has a very large shortcoming.

And I don't need to know you to know what you are blatantly doing in this thread.

"Potential fact"

It was shown. Thus it is a fact. Not "potential". Just a fact.
If you had any brain cell you would realise that only butthurt fans are Uchihas and thats why Hyuga fans are making so many byakugan,Hyugas threads.And that will only increase with Boruto series focusing on Byakugan and Hyugas.
 

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Quit talking about durability. Idk how many times I and Kishimoto have to say this, but Gentle Fist bypasses human durability.

Gentle fist bypasses human durability by injecting chakra into an opponent to attack them from the inside, Which you obviously know

To my knowledge airpalm doesn't do that, Thus it cannot bypass durability like most other gentle fist techniques. so unless i'm mising something, durability would play a factor.... no?
 

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Hyuga fans are getting rekt'd in this thread. For the love of goodness mercy... please stop making yourselves look more unintelligent than what you already are.. Come on now use some logic and not fanboyism here

catch me a hyuga fan denying blatant translations of raw manga scans and insisting minato arrived by ftg rather than shushin just to undermine hinata despite the tranalations proving them wrong clear as day

"asuma a featless jonin beats neji a jonin brimming with feats in comparison"

"it wasn't shushin even though the characters say it was shushin it was ftg because i dont want to admit hinata is fast"

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Looking at Kisame, I don't think he's a simple human. I think he had gills at some point. and forgive me about the "potential fact."
Truth be told, I am moved by your arguments and I acknowledge them. I didn't think I was making up things.

@inclined I am still here because you make strong points. and yep the Username basically tells a lot about me. but don't you think you're being hypocrite? you also don't seem to accept that I have my own reasons for my own understanding and you resort to generalize all Hyuuga fans.

He's a human. An ordinary one? No. A human? Yes. Not a Bijuu nor is he physically comparable to them in any, way shape or form. Yes you were making things up by comparing his durability to a Bijuu based on a statement that has nothing to do with durability.

No, I don't accept your reasons for your understanding. Why would I accept anything you are saying when in a nutshell what you are saying is "I see what you are saying, I acknowledge it, but I don't agree because...." What I'm saying is literally what was shown, so you have to agree. All subjectivity left the playing field once that scan was post.

But if you still do not want to admit that these are facts I'll end with this post.

If you had any brain cell you would realise that only butthurt fans are Uchihas and thats why Hyuga fans are making so many byakugan,Hyugas threads.And that will only increase with Boruto series focusing on Byakugan and Hyugas.

The only way you could identify the Uchiha fans is if you made these troll threads in the first place, which is exactly what you do. You spam troll threads instead of making threads that generate good discussion. Let's not talk about brain cells kiddo. Let's not.

Gentle fist bypasses human durability by injecting chakra into an opponent to attack them from the inside, Which you obviously know

To my knowledge airpalm doesn't do that, Thus it cannot bypass durability like most other gentle fist techniques. so unless i'm mising something, durability would play a factor.... no?

He is arguing that it does do internal damage the same way as Gentle Fist, which is why he can't bring up durability.

Well that depends on the injury.

If it something like Broken bones (arms/legs and such), torn muscles or something that will massively affect the bodies ability to move/fight then yes it would slow it down.

If it's something minor like broken ribs or something that would cause major discomfort due to the pain cause via taking a heavy blow, Then i don't see it affecting it at all because them feeling pain/discomfort is irrelevant since they aren't controlling their own bodies.
In this instance we don't know what neji targeted.

and for the record i'm not part of the whole Neji > asuma thing, I'm just trying to put an unbiased view out there.

True, but I'm specifically speaking about Gentle Fist. The bold doesn't make sense. Their bodies being controlled doesn't negate pain or discomfort for the clone itself. It only negates such for the person remote controlling it. Not sure how you went from one to the other.

>Those who argue it does internal damage are wrong because Kisame felt no pain and took no damage.
>Those who argue it's just like a punch, I agree. But it still didn't do any damage to Kisame.

the Air Palm was stated to be a forceful strike directed at a vital spot. can you get that?

and striking a vital spot can give you an advantage in hand to hand combat.



I am not saying that he would one-shot Asuma, No. I am saying that he has the advantage because he can strike it from a distance .

I don't care about what was stated or your interpretation of it. I care what was shown. I also literally just answered this post as you made it couple pages back almost in verbatim. Air Palm didn't do any significant damage or significant ANYTHING to Kisame. All it did was blow him a few meters back and it didn't even leave him open enough to get hit by Tenten's attack. Stop talking about what vital points are and what Air Palm can potentially do given it was powerful enough and start focusing on NEJI.

Neji uses Air Palm and Asuma and Asuma either dodges if it's from a distance or it does nothing to him if it hits him. Answer the actual argument and stop dancing around it. It's really not that hard to argue honestly so you should try it sometime.
 
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I don't care about what was stated or your interpretation of it. I care what was shown. I also literally just answered this post as you made it couple pages back almost in verbatim. Air Palm didn't do any significant damage or significant ANYTHING to Kisame. All it did was blow him a few meters back and it didn't even leave him open enough to get hit by Tenten's attack. Stop talking about what vital points are and what Air Palm can potentially do given it was powerful enough and start focusing on NEJI.

Neji uses Air Palm and Asuma and Asuma either dodges if it's from a distance or it does nothing to him if it hits him. Answer the actual argument and stop dancing around it. It's really not that hard to argue honestly so you should try it sometime.

Kishi stated that Neji struck his vital spot, and a strike on a vital spot usually only causes pain which he can easily shruged off. some of the vital spots are fatal if you strike them but it seems that Neji only struck Kisame on a minor spot

what was stated in the DB was clear. it is a forceful strike similar to punch or a palm thrust that is directed to a vital spot. can a normal punch damage someone like Kisame? hell no, but I can't see why wouldn't a normal punch on a vital spot damage Asuma
 
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He's a human. An ordinary one? No. A human? Yes. Not a Bijuu nor is he physically comparable to them in any, way shape or form. Yes you were making things up by comparing his durability to a Bijuu based on a statement that has nothing to do with durability.

No, I don't accept your reasons for your understanding. Why would I accept anything you are saying when in a nutshell what you are saying is "I see what you are saying, I acknowledge it, but I don't agree because...." What I'm saying is literally what was shown, so you have to agree. All subjectivity left the playing field once that scan was postED.

But if you still do not want to admit that these are facts I'll end with this post.

So you're saying all you care about is what the manga has shown. Since that is your basis, then yes I'll agree to that. Air palms have no internal damage, as far as the manga has shown. Done.

One thing though, I don't accept you stigmatizing my interpretation. As far as I know. I didn't make up things. All I said was based from Air palm's description and other notes. And about the Kisame's durability, your points on that I can acknowledge. I admit I really don't know a lot about Kisame.
 

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Kishi stated that Neji struck his vital spot, and a strike on a vital spot usually only causes pain which he can easily shruged off. some of the vital spots are fatal if you strike them but it seems that Neji only struck Kisame on a minor spot

what was stated in the DB was clear. it is a forceful strike similar to punch or a palm thrust that is directed to a vital spot. can a normal punch damage someone like Kisame? hell no, but I can't see why wouldn't a normal punch on a vital spot damage Asuma

Imma need you to show this or don't claim it. He didn't take damage period. That's what was shown. Striking the vitals doesn't help if your strike is weak.

I'm also going to need you to show the feats and address the topic at hand. We are talking about Asuma vs. Neji, not Asuma vs. Air Palm or Can Air Palm damage Asuma. People in this Manga get punched all the time yet those punches never do any lasting damage unless it's from some physical powerhouse, and that goes for all Ninja. :lol Yet you are here arguing that somehow Air Palm will do so much damage with a single hit that it can be considered as a game changing technique.

Air Palm's only and I mean ONLY feat is hitting a gimped Kisame and failing to do any damage even after supposedly being hit in the vitals, yet people have drawn blood from Kisame just by hitting him with regular punches.

This is exactly why I didn't want to argue with you. You are cornered so you are trying to derail this discussion. We weren't talking about whether or not Air Palm can damage Asuma. We were talking about the overall fight and now you are ducking that discussion.
 
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What are you even talking about?

Exactly bro. Everyone is focusing on the Hyuga, because Boruto is spotlighting the clan, and now they're calling it the strongest in the hidden leaf (which is a self proclaimed superiority by none other than the Hyuga clan lmfao), if they were truly that strong, I'm sure they wouldn't need to reassure themselves of such.

I could see the Akamichi completely destroying the Hyuga Clan, same with the Aburame. I just don't get the Hyuga hype, I mean their techniques are alright, but the other hidden leaf clans are so much more unique, and stronger/as strong.
Not take all that information you said and put it to the uchiha
 

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so this thread ultimately ends with absolute denial of facts just to undermine hinata's speed with no coherent counter argument.
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anyways lik i said in that thread that got deleted, i want to change my stance. i read the manga and it showed that not all the alliance divisions left to naruo at the same time (shikaku says this). so at best it only means hinata is faster than the people in her own division since it can mean hinata's division left before all the others.

agree? still disagree?
 

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anyways lik i said in that thread that got deleted, i want to change my stance. i read the manga and it showed that not all the alliance divisions left to naruo at the same time (shikaku says this). so at best it only means hinata is faster than the people in her own division since it can mean hinata's division left before all the others.

agree? still disagree?

Nope. Your logic is still trash I'm afraid. Off panel arrivals, especially when people are moving in a unit and not racing or competing don't tell you a thing about speed in a comparative sense because no one is trying to outpace the rest of their unit. You claim "Hiruzen>Sasuke in speed" because Hiruzen arrived before Sasuke, yet Hiruzen's speed feats against Juubito are inferior to Sasuke's own speed feats. This is during the same exact fight. Hiruzen got clipped by Juubito's Gudo Dama yet Sasuke was able to Shunshin from the area he was in to where Naruto was to protect him. So how is Hiruzen>Sasuke?

So now Hiruzen=Hashirama=Tobirama in speed? Because all 3 of them got there at the same time. Yet Tobirama was the fastest man of their era. Yet Hashirama can keep up w/ Madara who has better showings than Hiruzen.

Taka all arrived at the same time as well. So now Sasuke is the same speed as Suigetsu who is the same speed as Jugo who is the same speed as Karin?

:lmao: Just stop it. That is not a speed feat no matter how desperately you want it to be. To think you'd even try to rationalize nonsense like Shino being faster than Lee, Fodder being faster than Lee, Kiba being faster than Lee just to prove your point.
 

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What? I never compared them as similarities you goof. I stated resistance can be amassed for both poison, and fire yes. That doesn't mean they're similar. Don't quote me again, ignorance is strong in the NDS. Bugs don't have a specific resistance to poison, clearly you're not as intelligent, or perceptive as you think you are; especially if you can't conclude that the Aburame clan's beetles aren't kin to our own real world beetles, that and the fact Naruto =/= real life.

You're a clown, a clown who can't even comprehend a basic ability known as adaption.

Lol what an idiot, saying a resistance to fire is possible because of a previously shown resistance to poison is a clear logical fallacy, youre basing your claim of possibility on something that has nothing to do with your argument (resistance to poison and resistance to fire) and your argument carries no more weight than if you had simply said "the bugs could possibly resist fire because we havent seen them not resist fire" which probably would have been a more respectable argument.

Furthermore you clearly have a poor grasp of the hypothetical situations, particularly when they are used to invalidate your idiotic hypotheses. Where in my post did i ever use the phrase "real bugs" because i don't recall.

What a fool haha.

PS ill quote you whenever i want, try and stop me. Id love to see that
 
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You better not be surprised that I don't senselessly wank over Hinata. :lol

funniest part of ur post is that all this is BS since all of it happened with minato

>Off panel
>moving ina unit
>not racing or competing

Your logic is still trash I'm afraid. Off panel arrivals, especially when people are moving in a unit and not racing or competing don't tell you a thing about speed in a comparative sense because no one is trying to outpace the rest of their unit.

my logic is trash yet i am using the exact same logic kishimoto himself presented. minato arrived first. ergo he is fastest of the hokages. hinata arrived first ergo she is fastest among her divsion.

also a lot of the things u said aren't even true, but i will adress those later.
 
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funniest part of ur post is that all this is BS since all of it happened with minato

>Off panel
>moving ina unit
>not racing or competing



my logic is trash yet i am using the exact same logic kishimoto himself presented. minato arrived first. ergo he is fastest of the hokages. hinata arrived first ergo she is fastest among her divsion.

also a lot of the things u said aren't even true, but i will adress those later.

He was blatantly shown to teleport. If he dashed down there like the other 3 did he would have the same movement lines around his body that the others did. End of story. Stop denying fact. It's getting old.

Again, your logic is utter garbage.
 
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He was blatantly shown to teleport. If he dashed down there like the other 3 did he would have the same movement lines around his body that the others did. End of story. Stop denying fact. It's getting old.

Again, your logic is utter garbage.

Raws say shushin so no.

Movement lines arent there because he already arrived n4 them. There was kovement lines when he first appeared.

Keep calling my logic garbage if it helps u feel better but my logic = kishi's logic.
 
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