Where is it said that the Byakugan is what grants this level of chakra control?
TLF databook entry.
Then I don't understand why you're arguing here. You've now just said Eighty Gods Vacuum Attack is a Gentle Fist technique, and you've previously agreed that it along with Eight Trigrams Vacuum Wall Palm and Eight Trigrams Palm Rotation do not require the Byakugan to use. All three of these techniques only require some level of chakra control, and as you personally agreed to, not the Byakugan.
No, I meant in the same way MS isn't needed to use Susano'O, but it's still needed.
Also, why do you constantly ignore Air Palm/Vacuum Attack being Called Kekkai Genkais, meaning exclusive to GENES, rather than Hiden, secret techniques held within a clan? The distinction is so obvious.
It doesn't matter what the Databook says in this instance because it is contradicted by the manga.
No. No it really isn't. No where in the manga does Air Palm/Rotation being called KKG in the databook contradict facts. Show me where these techniques were called Hiden abilities and I will agree.
the Most Jonins are said to have the ability to utilize the pressure points in their hands and feet. Because of this, they can make the same "chakra scalpels" Hyuuga use to utilize Gentle Fist (medical ninja do this regularly).
Chakra Scapel and Jyuken aren't the same.
Give them the ability to see pressure points and they can use Gentle Fist at an intermediary level.
This is the same line of logic as saying an Earth and Water style expert can use Wood Style because they have the needed capabilities. There are abilities linked to KKG and Jyuken is that to Byakugan. Or you can equally chalk it up to plot. 8 Gates are Chakra Points, so what's stopping a Hyuga from using Jyuken to open them? Same reason Sasuke can't use Tsukyomi. Same reason Madara never used any other MS abilities. Same with Kaguya not using Lava/Wood/Boil styles. So many characters who can logically do one thing are hindered by plot. I mean, sure, you can argue Jyuken needs the Byakugan, but what's stopping Sakura, who has better CC than anyone else, from using a defense as powerful as Rotation? It's because Jyuken abilities NEED the Byakugan and can't be used without it.
The same cannot be said for the Mangekyou Sharingan. You have to have the eye to use the special techniques.
Himawari already proved this wrong as does the databooks calling all these abilities KKG not Hiden.
Gentle Fist can even be used without seeing the pressure points.
I know, only by a Byakugan user though.
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You can't say a normal ninja can't cut a string with chakra.
Course I won't. But that could very easily be nothing short of a Chakra Scapel to begin with. Just as how certain Wind Style tehnique's resemble Air Palm.
The Eight Gates pressure points aren't specifically special in this case. The reason the Sharingan can't see them, for instance, is stated to be because they are too small. Size being the matter of perception here, if you can see one, you can see all.
Well, that doesn't change the fact that we see that Madara can't see the other Chakra points outside of the 8 Gates and the Chakra network, so it does prove the vision is no where on par with Byakugan.
As for his Rinnegan being enhanced, I have to disagree. Chakra has never once, as far as I know, increased visual perception.
It does so with Kaguya, she was able to cast IT on the whole world. Same way how beefed up Chakra granted the alliance enhanced abilities, like stronger Air Palm and faster Mind Transfer or Kamui being able to transport larger objects.
Kaguya has never factually used Infinite Tsukuyomi on the entire world.
Yes she did.
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Hamura would have been affected and yet he and Hagoromo had no idea Kaguya was the Ten-Tails, nor did they fight her prior to her becoming it, which they would have done if she'd casted it.
The whole backstory is messed up anyways, so it's best just to accept things as they are presented. And Kaguya very clearly must of used the IT without affecting her kids as Hagoromo knows about it, so it can really be just as simple as her not casting it on them . Besides, plenty of possibilities are there for why Hamura was unaffected. He's an alien/Rikudo user/Kaguya's son.
That's too ambiguous to be considered pragmatic. You have to put chakra into a technique to make it larger but that doesn't destroy the technique itself.
It's still a canon fact, so no use arguing over it. Same way Yata Mirror's hype sounds asinine, but it's still fact.
