Ultimate evidence that Byakugan > Sharingan

[Umari Senju]

Byakagan feats compared to normal sharingan ofcourse is superior when using Kaguya's Senjutsu,inyoudon, dimension creating chakra levels.

But if you give Kaguya MS her PS would be the size of a country
Her amaterasu would be insanely powerful
Her Genjutsu would be unstoppable


She already has the speed and reflexes to the point normal sharingan benefits wouldn't help her at all so ofcourse she makes the Byakagan look good.

Uhm...wow this..../thread

 

[Made in Heaven]

THEN WHAT ARE YOU EVEN ARGUING? WHY ARE YOU EVEN ARGUING? They have to be learned thus they are not granted thus they are not Byakugan techs in the same sense as Amaterasu is a Sharingan tech making everything I've said up till now valid. Them stemming from Byakugan is also extremely false and you would know that if you actually tried to address what is posted instead of ignoring it in favor of what makes your favorites look better.

90% of all "Byakugan" techs can be performed w/o Byakugan. They only work better or only work at all with it. Period. That doesn't mean that they stem from the eye. Makes zero sense. Mokuryu stems from Mokuton because Mokuryu is a Mokuton jutsu made from Wood.

This is not rocket science.

Im arguing that the Jyuken abilities need Byakugan to ise and cant be used otherwise. I am not saying they are learned from birth of course.

You keep saying Jyuken comes from Hyuga innate ability of CC yet the databook says this CC comes from Byakugan so your acusation that they dont stem from Byakugan is also wrong.

Prove it that Byakigan abiliites dont need the byakugan to use. I wil wait.

Working "at all" means they need the byakugan to work which contradicts what you said about byakigan not being needed.

Again, the innate CC you keep talking about yet never providing proof of being indpendant of byakugan is said in the 4th databook to.come from the byakugan, which means things like tlf and rotarion need byakugan to use.

 

[lndra]

MS >>>

Nothing of byakugan > sharingan lmao I don't wanna hear no bs kakashi talk...he isn't even an uchiha so he could never really use it like they can facts.

He didn't even unlock the MS it was Obito leh chicken

MS wouldn't phase him tbh. The mode that came kept up with BSM Naruto....

 

[Holy God]

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Look at Sasuke using Jyuken :lol

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It honestly speaks volumes of your desperation and bias when you try to jump through SO many hoops and hurdles just to ignore and dismiss Himawari awakening Jyuken w/ Byakugan, things like Air Palm/Rotation being called KKG, not Hiden, and TLF explicitally saying it needs Byakugan to use, while still presenting a generic open palm attack as proof Bolt was using Jyuken.

You misunderstand. The only reason I'm trying to shorten my arguments is because this topic shouldn't be argued in the first place. I'll make this as clear as I can so that you cannot simply repost the same image as some sort of evidence.

The Byakugan allows you to see the pressure points in the chakra system. That's it. Because of this, those with the Byakugan may target the pressure points. The Hyuuga took advantage of this and created a fighting style known as the Gentle Fist. It isn't an actual ability unlocked like Amaterasu, but rather a fighting style made easier by the Byakugan. If you agree with this, you cannot say it is a "Byakugan technique".

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Unless you can give me one valid reason why Madara can't use the Gentle Fist, then you have to concede that it is not a "Byakugan technique".

 

[KidGamer65]

Im arguing that the Jyuken abilities need Byakugan to ise and cant be used otherwise. I am not saying they are learned from birth of course.

That's not relevant to anything being discussed in this thread though so there is no point even arguing it.

You keep saying Jyuken comes from Hyuga innate ability of CC yet the databook says this CC comes from Byakugan so your acusation that they dont stem from Byakugan is also wrong.

Irrelevant. Does the Byakugan grant one the abilities to learn these jutsu? Yes or no? The answer is no.

Working "at all" means they need the byakugan to work which contradicts what you said about byakigan not being needed.



Again, the innate CC you keep talking about yet never providing proof of being indpendant of byakugan is said in the 4th databook to.come from the byakugan, which means things like tlf and rotarion need byakugan to use.

You can have this point if you want. In the context of this argument it doesn't mean a thing. Byakugan doesn't grant these techniques. That was the main point and that is a fact.

 

[lndra]

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Kid how strong is the Tenseigan compared to the rest of the Dojutsu's? Is it:

Rinne-Sharingan > Rinnegan > Tenseigan > Sharingan (EMS, MS, and 3T) > Byakugan

 

[KidGamer65]

Kid how strong is the Tenseigan compared to the rest of the Dojutsu's? Is it:

Rinne-Sharingan > Rinnegan > Tenseigan > Sharingan (EMS, MS, and 3T) > Byakugan

I agree 100%. Tenseigan might be on par with the Rinnegan though.

 

[lndra]

I agree 100%. Tenseigan might be on par with the Rinnegan though.

Let's see if it makes a return.

Did you get to watch last week's and this week's episode of Boruto?

 

[KidGamer65]

Let's see if it makes a return.

Did you get to watch last week's and this week's episode of Boruto?

Not yet. Got caught up with this game I've been playing, so I still gotta watch last week's episode and this one. But I've seen the rest.

 

[Hakke]

Byakugan (with gentle fist) > 3T sharingan > Byakugan w/o gentle fist

 

[davidou]

Irrelevant. Does the Byakugan grant one the abilities to learn these jutsu? Yes or no? The answer is no.

You can have this point if you want. In the context of this argument it doesn't mean a thing. Byakugan doesn't grant these techniques. That was the main point and that is a fact.

The real answer is , you don' t know.
Your demonstration doesn ' t mean a thing.

You have no proofs but are persuaded, funny behaviour.

 

[ImmortalRegis]

That technique isn't canon, although it is cool and strong.

Canon or not , Kaguya still used it.

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[unknownvillain1254]

THEN WHAT ARE YOU EVEN ARGUING? WHY ARE YOU EVEN ARGUING? They have to be learned thus they are not granted thus they are not Byakugan techs in the same sense as Amaterasu is a Sharingan tech making everything I've said up till now valid. Them stemming from Byakugan is also extremely false and you would know that if you actually tried to address what is posted instead of ignoring it in favor of what makes your favorites look better.

90% of all "Byakugan" techs can be performed w/o Byakugan. They only work better or only work at all with it. Period. That doesn't mean that they stem from the eye. Makes zero sense. Mokuryu stems from Mokuton because Mokuryu is a Mokuton jutsu made from Wood.

This is not rocket science.

I see what you're trying to say but what you don't understand is the two kkg are linked to one another you can't have one without the other.

Just like the Uchiha have regular eyes until the a chakra is release which is the body reacting giving them they're new eye . And is without the special brain chakra i's basically a regular person

 

[KidGamer65]

I see what you're trying to say but what you don't understand is the two kkg are linked to one another you can't have one without the other.

Just like the Uchiha have regular eyes until the a chakra is release which is the body reacting giving them they're new eye . And is without the special brain chakra i's basically a regular person

Wrong and irrelevant. You can't properly use Gentle Fist abilities w/o Byakugan. Does having the Byakugan GIVE YOU those abilities? Yes or no? All that other stuff you guys keep trying to bring into this discussion doesn't matter as we are talking about whether or not having Byakugan GIVES you techniques. And it does not.

 

[davidou]

Wrong and irrelevant. You can't properly use Gentle Fist abilities w/o Byakugan. Does having the Byakugan GIVE YOU those abilities? Yes or no? All that other shit you guys keep trying to bring into this discussion doesn't matter as we are talking about whether or not having Byakugan GIVES you techniques. And it does not.



Refute the points or gtfo twat.

Refute what?You just claim something without proofs.No need to refute your fanfic until you give a proof.

 

[Sagebee]

Wrong and irrelevant. You can't properly use Gentle Fist abilities w/o Byakugan. Does having the Byakugan GIVE YOU those abilities? Yes or no? All that other shit you guys keep trying to bring into this discussion doesn't matter as we are talking about whether or not having Byakugan GIVES you techniques. And it does not.



Refute the points or gtfo twat.

You mean innately? We don't know if it does or doesn't.

The author could potentially expand its power set.

 

[KidGamer65]

Refute what?You just claim something without proofs.No need to refute your fanfic until you give a proof.

Keep telling yourself that kiddo. You and I both know that you don't make sense at the end of the day.

You mean innately? We don't know if it does or doesn't.

The author could potentially expand its power set.

No, we do know. :lol What the Byakugan does is stated. The fact you need to learn the Hyuga clan techs are stated. If you need to learn a jutsu then obviously having the Byakugan didn't give you said jutsu. Did Sasuke need to learn how to use Amaterasu? No. Having the eye gave him the ability. Did Kakashi have to learn how to use PS? No.

 

[Sagebee]

Keep telling yourself that kiddo. You and I both know that you don't make sense at the end of the day.



No, we do know. :lol What the Byakugan does is stated. The fact you need to learn the Hyuga clan techs are stated. If you need to learn a jutsu then obviously having the Byakugan didn't give you said jutsu. Did Sasuke need to learn how to use Amaterasu? No. Having the eye gave him the ability. Did Kakashi have to learn how to use PS? No.

First we got to categorize Byakugan users

The only ones we know thoroughly about are the hyuga there fighting style consists of taojutsu based on their dojutsu

We also have the okutsuki of the moon descended from hamura we know nothing about them and how they fought.

Regular okutsuki hardly use their Byakugan but we saw momo do something that appeared to stop time.

The Byakugan gets its name from its ability to see everything while the sharingans name comes from its copying ability but it's shown to have genjutsu abilities.

In the end of the day we can't say we know everything on the Byakugan or even the hyuga. We barely found out it had advanced forms or hagoromo had a brother. So what's stopping it from having a expanded moveset.

 

[davidou]

Keep telling yourself that kiddo. You and I both know that you don't make sense at the end of the day.

You claim hypothesis without proofs, that makes sense?
Asking for a proof of your claim makes sense.
You responding like that makes you look frustrated by the truth.

 

[KidGamer65]

First we got to categorize Byakugan users

The only ones we know thoroughly about are the hyuga there fighting style consists of taojutsu based on their dojutsu

We also have the okutsuki of the moon descended from hamura we know nothing about them and how they fought.

Regular okutsuki hardly use their Byakugan but we saw momo do something that appeared to stop time.

The Byakugan gets its name from its ability to see everything while the sharingans name comes from its copying ability but it's shown to have genjutsu abilities.

In the end of the day we can't say we know everything on the Byakugan or even the hyuga. We barely found out it had advanced forms or hagoromo had a brother. So what's stopping it from having a expanded moveset.

Who in here is discussing anything about an expanded moveset? Idk why you guys keep quoting me with things irrelevant to the discussion. The argument is about whether or not Byakugan grants techniques just how Mangekyo and beyond grant techniques. We know for a fact they do not because it is stated that every Hyuga clan tech had to be LEARNED.

You claim hypothesis without proofs, that makes sense?
Asking for a proof of your claim makes sense.
You responding like that makes you look frustrated by the truth.

Like I said, tell yourself whatever you need to in order to get through the day.