Ultimate evidence that Byakugan > Sharingan

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1.There's no way she already knew it without Byakugan when all Jyuken users have Byakugan. Hinata herself questioned who could have done this, meaning she's well aware Himawari was unable to use it prior to unlocking her Byakugan.
2.No, it was noted by Hinata that Himawari did in fact close Chakra points on Naruto's body.

First off, the answer is very clear unless one wants to dance around the issue. She is 3, she unlocked Byakugan and then used Jyuken afterwards, and we know she couldn't have known it prior because Hinata herself, Himawari's mother who we canonically see spending all their time together, is confused about who could have knocked out Naruto.

On top of that, I already gave you other examples in Air Palm and Rotation being called KKG.



This isn't true.

The Hyuga's ability to use all Chakra Points is something connected to the Gentle Fist style, which in turn connects to the Byakugan. It does requiring training however, as seen with Neji.

The ability to use all Chakra points is nothing short of EXTREMELY good Chakra Control.

The 4th Databook states that the Byakugan provides high-tier Chakra control for the user. On top of that, the 4th Databook ALSO states that the Twin Lion Fists NEEDS the Byakugan in order to use.
All I know are two simple facts:

1. The Gentle Fist is a fighting style that is not automatically learned upon awakening the Byakugan

2. Bolt used Gentle Fist despite not having the Byakugan, leaving no room for discussion

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Again, acting like people are just going to stay in close range when fighting a Hyuga.
this is the fact that you always seem to avoid how can you stop me from doing that cool you can run away but I will run after you and for fact that I know uchiha don't do a lot of physical training at least to that level guess where I'm going to be faster than you
 
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This dude is really out here making up shit about the Byakugan granting chakra control and granting the ability to use Rotation just how MS grants Amaterasu claiming "the Manga said so". Smh. How do you wank an entire clan day in and day out and not know how their abilities work?
Facts the Sharingan does grant you the ability to use genjutsu but you must have the cc to use it

Fact the Byakugan gives you access to all of your chakra points and by virtue gentle fist
 

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Facts the Sharingan does grant you the ability to use genjutsu but you must have the cc to use it

Fact the Byakugan gives you access to all of your chakra points and by virtue gentle fist
I suggest you actually refute what I said. "by virtue" is irrelevant. The actual ability behind why they can close chakra points is an innate ability. Byakugan simply lets them see the points thus it does not actually give any jutsu like Sharingan gives Amaterasu, Susanoo, Kamui or whatever.
 

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Agreed 100% 1 aspect is them flowing chakra through and out of any point in their bodies and the other aspect is the fighting style you described. Not sure why the others don't comprehend this.
It literally says they have two kkg one it could byakugan the second is the ability to control Chaka from all of their chakra points

The Hyūga Clan (日向一族, Hyūga Ichizoku) is one of the four noble clans of Konohagakure.[1] All members born into this clan possess the Byakugan, a kekkei genkai that gives them extended fields of vision and the ability to see through solid objects and even the chakra circulatory system, amongst other things. Members of this clan also possess the unique ability to expel chakra from any of the tenketsu in their body

 
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It literally says they have two kkg one it could byakugan the second is the ability to control Chaka from all of their chakra points

The Hyūga Clan (日向一族, Hyūga Ichizoku) is one of the four noble clans of Konohagakure.[1] All members born into this clan possess the Byakugan, a kekkei genkai that gives them extended fields of vision and the ability to see through solid objects and even the chakra circulatory system, amongst other things. Members of this clan also possess the unique ability to expel chakra from any of the tenketsu in their body

Lmao if you could read you'd know that's pretty much what we just said.
 

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Change the title name to Tenseigan and you might actually have a point
MS >>>

Nothing of byakugan > sharingan lmao I don't wanna hear no bs kakashi talk...he isn't even an uchiha so he could never really use it like they can facts.

He didn't even unlock the MS it was Obito leh chicken
 

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All I know are two simple facts:

1. The Gentle Fist is a fighting style that is not automatically learned upon awakening the Byakugan
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2. Bolt used Gentle Fist despite not having the Byakugan, leaving no room for discussion

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Look at Sasuke using Jyuken :lol

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It honestly speaks volumes of your desperation and bias when you try to jump through SO many hoops and hurdles just to ignore and dismiss Himawari awakening Jyuken w/ Byakugan, things like Air Palm/Rotation being called KKG, not Hiden, and TLF explicitally saying it needs Byakugan to use, while still presenting a generic open palm attack as proof Bolt was using Jyuken.
 

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I suggest you actually refute what I said. "by virtue" is irrelevant. The actual ability behind why they can close chakra points is an innate ability. Byakugan simply lets them see the points thus it does not actually give any jutsu like Sharingan gives Amaterasu, Susanoo, Kamui or whatever.
That innate ability is granted by Byakugan. Go read TLF databook entry, it says the high CC needed for the technique is so great that it needs the Byakugan to use.

Again, your nonsense is proven wrong by Himawari.
I didn't say that. I said that Byakugan doesn't grant Gentle Fist.
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That innate ability is granted by Byakugan. Go read TLF databook entry, it says the high CC needed for the technique is so great that it needs the Byakugan to use.

Again, your nonsense is proven wrong by Himawari.


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The bold is fanfiction and I'll wait for you to prove the rest. I'll also wait for you to address every other Byakugan technique that has been brought up. What's even worse about this nonsense you are trying to push is that Hinata having a tech that requires the Byakugan to be used doesn't mean that her having the Byakugan gave her that technique.

It is a technique Hinata even created IIRC. Either that or it's a tech passed down in her family, meaning she had to learn it. Meaning that her having Byakugan didn't grant her said tech.

Himawari is irrelevant. Byakugan didn't grant her the ability to flow chakra out of her body, it only gave her the ability to target Naruto's tenketsu. Meaning Rotation, Air Palm and all that are not abilities granted by the Gentle Fist
 
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Because Kaguya is stronger than Sasuke, not because Byakugan is stronger than Sharingan, but of course I don't expect you delusional fanboys to come to term with these facts.
How weird? You said Byakugan won't beat 3T, know you're saying Byakugan beats 3T because Kaguya is stronger? Hey, it's... it's almost like these eyes are not stronger than one another, and like ANY other tool, is based on the user's skill with them?

Go address the rest then. Oh wait, you can't. Because the overall point is true. Byakugan is not on par with Sharingan. That's why the only time Byakugan has ever triumphed over Sharingan is when the Byakugan user's overall strength and chakra was FAR beyond that of the Sharingan user's.
Where does the statment of Byakugan not being on par with Sharingan come from? Do you honestly not see how two faced you are? You use the likes of Neji and Hinata against Madara and Sasuke to say the Byakugan is weaker than the Sharingan, yet cry when Kaguya is compared to Sasuke. Like I said, they're tools and are as good as the people using them.

-Gentle Fist is a fighting style that revolves around expelling chakra from the body. The Hyuga can do this because that is their innate ability.
Prove it. Because the 4th Databook explicitally says the Chakra Control comes from the Byakugan.
Not because of the Byakugan.
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-The targeting of Tenketsu is what Byakugan is needed for. Himawari is a shitty and irrelevant example because Himawari is of Hyuga blood, meaning THAT is why she can release chakra from her hands to close Tenketsu. The only thing Byakugan is needed for is the act of seeing said Tenketsu. The Byakugan didn't GIVE her the ability to flow chakra through her hands it gave her the ability to see the Tenketsu.
TLF databook entry. Go read it.
What the DB lists techniques as is completely irrelevant.
Why? They're all called KKG instead of Hiden, is that why you dismiss it? Because it proves you wrong?

Vacuum Attack is a Kekkei Mora yet you dishonestly leave out the fact that the entry explains HOW it's formed and it never once says Byakugan is needed to perform it. It says that Byakugan+This tech=Ultime offense. Air Palm is the same exact thing but weaker, also explained in the DB. Rotation is stated to be performed by Neji releasing chakra and spinning. Not because of the Byakugan. Delusional ass.
I know. Air Palm still needs the CC granted by Byakugan to perform, so it's still a Byakugan ability. Same way how Itachi/Madara was using SusanoO without MS

The Byakugan's abilities were outright stated, and it granting abilities like MS grants Susanoo and other techs was never stated or shown and it shall remain that way until you can support your points with some real evidence.
Already have, but you have your head shoved in the ground because of your Uchiha bias.
Byakugan literally has a damn thing to do w/ Chakra Control.
Read TLF databook entry then come back.

Dojutsu has never had a thing to do with chakra control.
TLF databook entry.

Hyuga are stated to HAVE that kind of chakra control INNATELY.
Prove it. Because again, 4th databook contradicts this baseless argument.
Ao is a Byakugan user yet has not EVER displayed any kind of Gentle Fist abilities or anything of the sort. Wanna know why?
Ao never displayed any offensiev abilities. WTF :lmao: He's a sensor
Because Byakugan IS NOT Sharingan and does NOT grant techs just by possessing the eye.
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Every single Byakugan related tech is a tech those Hyuga had to learn. Not debatable so just stop while you are behind.

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Also, learning doesn't mean anything. Obito had to learn Wood Style, doesn't mean it isn't a KKG.

Those aren't Byakugan abilities. :lmao: Try again. Lmao this clown. First you say Byakugan grants these abilities like MS grants Amaterasu but now you are saying that you need to train to master these attacks? Lmao even worse the Manga explicitly shows that you need to LEARN these techs, meaning that the Byakugan does NOT grant them. AT ALL. So cut the BS.
Learning KKG doesn't mean they aren't KKG.

Obito was shown developing his Wood Style. Sasuke developing his Blaze Style. And you're asinine if you think Hashirama was pulling out Buddha statues from day one. KKG's still need to be developed and learned, that is very evident. Same goes for Byakugan abilities.
 
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The bold is fanfiction and I'll wait for you to prove the rest.
日向一族の中でも宗家にしか伝わっていない、柔拳秘伝高等体術。両手から放出するチャクラを形態変化させることで、リーチと破壊力を格段に向上させる。その腕はまるで獅子のような様相を呈し、触れた相手の経絡系を喰らい尽くすのだ。
A secret high-level juuken technique, taught only to the main family of the Hyuuga clan. By changing the shape of chakra released from both hands, [the user] greatly increases reach and destructive power. The arms become entirely like lions which drain the chakra network of those they touch.
チャクラコントロールを少しでも誤ると失敗するため、習得は極めて困難緻密な技量と“白眼”があればこその芸当である。
Because it will fail at even the slightest mistake in chakra control, it is extremely difficult to learn this ability, which is a feat that requires the Byakugan.

See? Says it needs the CC granted by the Byakugan to achieve :lmao:

I'll also wait for you to address every other Byakugan technique that has been brought up. What's even worse about this stupid nonsense you are trying to push is that Hinata having a tech that requires the Byakugan to be used doesn't mean that her having the Byakugan gave her that technique. Get this through your dumbass head.

It is a technique Hinata even created IIRC. Either that or it's a tech passed down in her family, meaning she had to learn it. Meaning that her having Byakugan didn't grant her said tech. So cut the bullshit already.
Same way Wood Style didn't automatically grant Hashirama a Giant Buddha Summoning and same way Obito had to develop his Wood Style. A base ability being a KKG doens't mean it doesn't need training and expanding.


Himawari is irrelevant. Byakugan didn't grant her the ability to flow chakra out of her body, it only gave her the ability to target Naruto's tenketsu.
And that's why she used Jyuken 2 seconds after getting Byakugan? What?
 

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How weird? You said Byakugan won't beat 3T, know you're saying Byakugan beats 3T because Kaguya is stronger? Hey, it's... it's almost like these eyes are not stronger than one another, and like ANY other tool, is based on the user's skill with them?
No, I said Byakugan only beat Sasuke's EMS because Kaguya>>>Sasuke, not because Byakugan>Sharingan. The eyes grant their own skillsets and own powers which enhance the user's original power, thus if the user of one is much stronger than the other they will continue to be much stronger even w/ an inferior Dojutsu. This isn't rocket science "Lady" Byakugan so let's not act like it is.


Where does the statment of Byakugan not being on par with Sharingan come from? Do you honestly not see how two faced you are? You use the likes of Neji and Hinata against Madara and Sasuke to say the Byakugan is weaker than the Sharingan.
Except I didn't say that. Try again though.

Prove it. Because the 4th Databook explicitally says the Chakra Control comes from the Byakugan.
Where is this scan? Oh wait, it doesn't exist.

[
IMG]https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111144301/4758672-5938378118-Himaw.png[/IMG] TLF databook entry. Go read it. Already have, but you have your head shoved in the ground because of your Uchiha bias. Read TLF databook entry then come back. TLF databook entry. Hyuga are stated to HAVE that kind of chakra control INNATELY.
All this was addressed above.

Ao never displayed any offensiev abilities. WTF :lmao: He's a sensor
Ao CAN sense. Doesn't mean he's not a combat shinobi. Ao has not displayed any Hyuga abilities nor has he given any reason for anyone to believe that he has them.
Also, learning doesn't mean anything. Obito had to learn Wood Style, doesn't mean it isn't a KKG.



Learning KKG doesn't mean they aren't KKG.

Obito was shown developing his Wood Style. Sasuke developing his Blaze Style. And you're asinine if you think Hashirama was pulling out Buddha statues from day one. KKG's still need to be developed and learned, that is very evident. Same goes for Byakugan abilities.
:lmao: No one is arguing if Byakugan is a KKG or not, so this is another irrelevant statement from you. We are arguing whether or not Byakugan grants techniques and it does not. This is a fact. Mokuton is irrelevant. Mokuton does not grant you techniques. Byakugan does not grant you techniques. Enton does not grant you techniques. You have to learn them thus they are not granted. Thanks for supporting my point guy.
 
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日向一族の中でも宗家にしか伝わっていない、柔拳秘伝高等体術。両手から放出するチャクラを形態変化させることで、リーチと破壊力を格段に向上させる。その腕はまるで獅子のような様相を呈し、触れた相手の経絡系を喰らい尽くすのだ。
A secret high-level juuken technique, taught only to the main family of the Hyuuga clan. By changing the shape of chakra released from both hands, [the user] greatly increases reach and destructive power. The arms become entirely like lions which drain the chakra network of those they touch.
チャクラコントロールを少しでも誤ると失敗するため、習得は極めて困難緻密な技量と“白眼”があればこその芸当である。
Because it will fail at even the slightest mistake in chakra control, it is extremely difficult to learn this ability, which is a feat that requires the Byakugan.

See? Says it needs the CC granted by the Byakugan to achieve :lmao:
Which is still irrelevant as I've already addressed this. Try again little man.


Same way Wood Style didn't automatically grant Hashirama a Giant Buddha Summoning and same way Obito had to develop his Wood Style. A base ability being a KKG doens't mean it doesn't need training and expanding.
Lmao this idiot doesn't realize he's proving my point. Byakugan's abilities need to be learnt just like Mokuton abilities. Thus they are not granted.



And that's why she used Jyuken 2 seconds after getting Byakugan? What?
Gentle Fist is literally just a jab. :lol So again. You don't make sense. She's always had the ability to expel chakra from her body and the Byakugan simply let her target the Tenketsu. A jab is a basic fighting movement.

It's hard to believe people this stupid really exist.
 

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日向一族の中でも宗家にしか伝わっ� �いない、柔拳秘伝高等体術。両手か� ��放出するチャクラを形態変化させる ことで、リーチと破壊力を格段に向� �させる。その腕はまるで獅子のよう� ��様相を呈し、触れた相手の経絡系を 喰らい尽くすのだ。
A secret high-level juuken technique, taught only to the main family of the Hyuuga clan. By changing the shape of chakra released from both hands, [the user] greatly increases reach and destructive power. The arms become entirely like lions which drain the chakra network of those they touch.
チャクラコントロールを少しでも誤� �と失敗するため、習得は極めて困難� ��密な技量と“白眼”があればこその 芸当である。
Because it will fail at even the slightest mistake in chakra control, it is extremely difficult to learn this ability, which is a feat that requires the Byakugan.
:lol Fanboys kill me with their circular reasoning.
 

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Which is still irrelevant as I've already addressed this. Try again little man.




Lmao this idiot doesn't realize he's proving my point. Byakugan's abilities need to be learnt just like Mokuton abilities. Thus they are not granted.






Gentle Fist is literally just a jab. :lol So again. You don't make sense. She's always had the ability to expel chakra from her body and the Byakugan simply let her target the Tenketsu. A jab is a basic fighting movement.

It's hard to believe people this stupid really exist.
I know hey need to be learned things like air palm and rotation. What i am saying is that theg still strm from the byakugan in the same way wooden dragon stems from mokuton
 

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I know hey need to be learned things like air palm and rotation. What i am saying is that theg still strm from the byakugan in the same way wooden dragon stems from mokuton
THEN WHAT ARE YOU EVEN ARGUING? WHY ARE YOU EVEN ARGUING? They have to be learned thus they are not granted thus they are not Byakugan techs in the same sense as Amaterasu is a Sharingan tech making everything I've said up till now valid. Them stemming from Byakugan is also extremely false and you would know that if you actually tried to address what is posted instead of ignoring it in favor of what makes your favorites look better.

90% of all "Byakugan" techs can be performed w/o Byakugan. They only work better or only work at all with it. Period. That doesn't mean that they stem from the eye. Makes zero sense. Mokuryu stems from Mokuton because Mokuryu is a Mokuton jutsu made from Wood.

This is not rocket science.
 

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Byakagan feats compared to normal sharingan ofcourse is superior when using Kaguya's Senjutsu,inyoudon, dimension creating chakra levels.

But if you give Kaguya MS her PS would be the size of a country
Her amaterasu would be insanely powerful
Her Genjutsu would be unstoppable


She already has the speed and reflexes to the point normal sharingan benefits wouldn't help her at all so ofcourse she makes the Byakagan look good.
Read the thread, he's comparing Sharingan powered by Kaguy'as chakra to Byakugan powered by Kaguya's chakra.

When powered by the same chakra the Byakugan trumps Sharingan by miles. Even a Rinnegan is prone against Juken.
 
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