[VS] How did akainu beat ace

[chopstickchakra]

Fire starts turning orange around 2100 degrees farenheight, the same temperature as the hottest lava. Fire is bright red at around 1800 degrees farenheight and aces was definitely past red. Yellow fire (which ace used in his attack against BB) is over 2500 degrees.

So how is akainu hotter if he isn't? It must be because he's liquid that's all

I know people disagree because it's giving Ace Haki but the only real logical explanation I can come up with is either Logia can control what parts of their body transform and Ace left his torso solid to take the punch from Luffy or Ace used haki in his midsection to slow the punch enough to save Luffy but it cost him his life.

 

[Love Cook]

Fire starts turning orange around 2100 degrees farenheight, the same temperature as the hottest lava. Fire is bright red at around 1800 degrees farenheight and aces was definitely past red. Yellow fire (which ace used in his attack against BB) is over 2500 degrees.

So how is akainu hotter if he isn't? It must be because he's liquid that's all

You're reading way too much into it, It's not real science, fire people don't exist.

I'm sure the thought proces was. Hmm fire is dangerous, how can I upgrade that ? I know! Magma!!.

If you would put 100 people next to a pit of fire and a pit of lava I'm sure that no one thinks much of the pit of fire and and all 100 take a step back from the lava. Because in our perception lava and magma are always associated with destruction and scary things.

Also I think you should take into account that people can train their devil fruit. Akainu on admiral level was in a different league than Ace was. An expert with a stone beats a novice with a knife.

 

[Olorin]

The turning into fire thing doesn't really matter. When Akainu's magma hits Ace, it basically cancels out his power. If Ace's midsection is transformed into fire, and Akainu punches it without Haki, the magma will still blow through him and burn him as flesh and blood, as per Akainu's description. He killed him in one punch because when he hit Ace, it burned up his guts.

so far only the yami yami has canceled another devil fruit, yes most probably even if neither of them had Haki magma would have won, but I would say a Logia of Ace's caliber does not go down in 1 hit without Haki, that's jsut my thoughts on it, you have your own, which is great, and might as well be correct, but sadly we eill never know unless Oda answers this specific question

but I should mention that the main reason I think Akainu used Haki is because Haki was very ... hmmmm ... ''loosely'' shown pre TS, I would imagine most named characters at MF used it but obv Oda had not yet fully figured it out, I think that an Admiral using Haki when punching the son of both Roger and WB is just common sense and a given

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Hmm, your thoughts on if Enel struck akainu or ace

And do you think aces one attack he used against BB would classify as yellow flames?

Logically Enel should hurt them both. Lightning exceeds fire & lava in heat.

You mean those green flame orbs?

 

[Punk Hazard]

so far only the yami yami has canceled another devil fruit, yes most probably even if neither of them had Haki magma would have won, but I would say a Logia of Ace's caliber does not go down in 1 hit without Haki, that's jsut my thoughts on it, you have your own, which is great, and might as well be correct, but sadly we eill never know unless Oda answers this specific question

but I should mention that the main reason I think Akainu used Haki is because Haki was very ... hmmmm ... ''loosely'' shown pre TS, I would imagine most named characters at MF used it but obv Oda had not yet fully figured it out, I think that an Admiral using Haki when punching the son of both Roger and WB is just common sense and a given

A Logia of Ace's caliber? The caliber of Ace's fruit doesn't matter because magma is superior. We saw magma cancel out Ace's power when Akainu's Magma overpowered his Hiken and landed on his arm, burning him and launching him back without him being able to simply turn into fire and avoid it. We've seen the same thing with Luffy hitting Enel, and Enel's body not transforming.

The strength of Ace's fruit is irrelevant because the Magu Magu negates that strength when they clash. It's not like being a fire Logia made Ace's body any stronger, so saying that a "Logia of that caliber can't be oneshot" makes no sense, especially when the Logia powers are negated.

Logically Enel should hurt them both. Lightning exceeds fire & lava in heat.

You mean those green flame orbs?

When was heat ever stated as the reason Magu is stronger than Mera?

 

[Vandenre1ch]

A Logia of Ace's caliber? The caliber of Ace's fruit doesn't matter because magma is superior. We saw magma cancel out Ace's power when Akainu's Magma overpowered his Hiken and landed on his arm, burning him and launching him back without him being able to simply turn into fire and avoid it. We've seen the same thing with Luffy hitting Enel, and Enel's body not transforming.

The strength of Ace's fruit is irrelevant because the Magu Magu negates that strength when they clash. It's not like being a fire Logia made Ace's body any stronger, so saying that a "Logia of that caliber can't be oneshot" makes no sense, especially when the Logia powers are negated.


When was heat ever stated as the reason Magu is stronger than Mera?

Of course not. Like how is was never stated why Ice>Snow. Akainu is immune to fire but can burned flame users. Is it because he smothers flames as you said earlier?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Fire is a form of plasma. Fire doesn't start turning oranges until it hits over 2000 degrees. The same temperature as lava. It starts turning yellow after its already heated past lava

Fire may contain plasma but we can't compare the compositions in space that makes up the sun to a little fire we spark in our fire place at home. I know the term fire(flames) hits every category such as light/lightening and even molten lava but I think what Oda is trying to limit with the mera mera fruit is standard flames from a torch or fire place.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Fire may contain plasma but we can't compare the compositions in space that makes up the sun to a little fire we spark in our fire place at home. I know the term fire(flames) hits every category such as light/lightening and even molten lava but I think what Oda is trying to limit with the mera mera fruit is standard flames from a torch or fire place.

I know I'm just saying, fire is a type of plasma, as is lightning.

It goes solids, then liquids, then gasses, then plasma

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

You're reading way too much into it, It's not real science, fire people don't exist.

I'm sure the thought proces was. Hmm fire is dangerous, how can I upgrade that ? I know! Magma!!.

If you would put 100 people next to a pit of fire and a pit of lava I'm sure that no one thinks much of the pit of fire and and all 100 take a step back from the lava. Because in our perception lava and magma are always associated with destruction and scary things.

Also I think you should take into account that people can train their devil fruit. Akainu on admiral level was in a different league than Ace was. An expert with a stone beats a novice with a knife.

I understand that, I just wanted to clear that fire gets hotter than magma

 

[Punk Hazard]

Of course not. Like how is was never stated why Ice>Snow. Akainu is immune to fire but can burned flame users. Is it because he smothers flames as you said earlier?

I think if there's a rhyme or reason behind it, that would be why. If not, then it's probably just "It's stronger because."

 

[HashiraMadara]

I've heard that too but I don't see how magma is superior. It's basically just liquid acid, where as fire is a gas, sure they both burn and melt shit but I'd pick a gas form over a liquid form and fire does get hotter, but I see liquid being a bad match up but not superior overall

nah kiddo, fire is not gas. Fire is a mysterious form of plasma. I use "mysterious" because no one knows exactly what is fire. But you betcha magma is way more because it's rock that melted, no cool fire can ever a melt a rock. That means Sakazaki magama fire is >>>>>>>>>> anything Ace has up in his sleeve.

 

[Olorin]

A Logia of Ace's caliber? The caliber of Ace's fruit doesn't matter because magma is superior. We saw magma cancel out Ace's power when Akainu's Magma overpowered his Hiken and landed on his arm, burning him and launching him back without him being able to simply turn into fire and avoid it. We've seen the same thing with Luffy hitting Enel, and Enel's body not transforming.

I meant Ace the character, not the Mera Mera, but that doesn't matter, as I said my primary reason for saying what I said is that an Admiral will always be using Haki in a battle like that automatically, which kinda makes everything else moot to me, there is no way Akainu will not use Haki when trying to defeat a Logia, however that is a post-TS perspective

as I said you very well might be correct, in fact we both probably are