Is there a solution to terrorism?

[Wrappering_]

Education and Liberal arts.

 

[Sagebee]

Boo hoo.

The solution to people not trusting your group is for you to get with others in your group and kill people? No one fears or hates Muslims for no reason.

Dude, stop making excuses. Muslims aren't like black people in the times of slavery.

I'm not sure what you mean by your last statement, but you have to acknowledge how politically things are the way they are for example isis how they get funding for what they do. In politics red and blue don't really matter it's all about the green that's why we are responsible for these things. It's no secret that they get money and training from us and our allies

But like I said earlier it really comes down to who going to step forward to do that right thing and the truth is from the top they prefer the outcomes for political and economic gains and from the bottom they rather complain then understand and do something constructive

Also if you look at the stats for terrorism they are actually minute and Muslims are the ones that are more so getting the brunt of the negative impact

 

[Lightbringer]

Every problem has a root cause. One mistake many people make is assume that war, terrorism, religious extremism is a black/white issue. They simplify something without knowing the history and all of the factors that lead to the current situation.

For example, the Mujahideen was a rebel group that formed during the Cold War when Russia invaded Afghanistan; Osama Bin Laden was part of this group. The U.S. obviously supported this rebel group and eventually down the line this group splintered into other Jihadists groups including Al Qaeda and the Taliban. After the U.S. invaded Iraq and took out Sadaam, there was a power vacuum which lead to the formation of ISIS, who are a splitner group of people considered to be too extreme for Al Qaeda.

Even this summary that I just gave is still an oversimplification of a very complex web of issues.

Now the question is why do these groups exist and why do people keep joining them? Well ask yourself, if someone bombed your country and killed your friends or family, would you not want to retaliate? If you lived in poverty and you were in a warring state and had a group that promised salvation, glory, and virgins in the afterlife, would you not be tempted to join?

The terrorism that the Islamic extremists promote are an idea. You can't kill an idea with bombs, you can only fuel it. Many experts say that the most effective way of dealing with this is having the support of the nations that these terrorist groups reside in and have them weed them out, and also have a grass roots effort in order to try to fix the core problems that lead to desperate people forming such groups from ground up.

 

[minamoto]

Every problem has a root cause. One mistake many people make is assume that war, terrorism, religious extremism is a black/white issue. They simplify something without knowing the history and all of the factors that lead to the current situation.

For example, the Mujahideen was a rebel group that formed during the Cold War when Russia invaded Afghanistan; Osama Bin Laden was part of this group. The U.S. obviously supported this rebel group and eventually down the line this group splintered into other Jihadists groups including Al Qaeda and the Taliban. After the U.S. invaded Iraq and took out Sadaam, there was a power vacuum which lead to the formation of ISIS, who are a splitner group of people considered to be too extreme for Al Qaeda.

Even this summary that I just gave is still an oversimplification of a very complex web of issues.

Now the question is why do these groups exist and why do people keep joining them? Well ask yourself, if someone bombed your country and killed your friends or family, would you not want to retaliate? If you lived in poverty and you were in a warring state and had a group that promised salvation, glory, and virgins in the afterlife, would you not be tempted to join?

The terrorism that the Islamic extremists promote are an idea. You can't kill an idea with bombs, you can only fuel it. Many experts say that the most effective way of dealing with this is having the support of the nations that these terrorist groups reside in and have them weed them out, and also have a grass roots effort in order to try to fix the core problems that lead to desperate people forming such groups from ground up.

who told u dat???????

 

[ArabianLuffy]

Corruption leads to civil war. Civil war leads to terrorism. Terrorism leads to a world scale of war. Corruption, civil war, terrorism and war. Without them, humans will die. Global population, lack of resources, inflation, famine and most of all, global warming. Peace itself is death.

 

[Funky Tiger]

auschwitz

 

[SamAdams]

Like, it happens more and more, there are 7 billion people on the planet, imagine if 100 million decided to become terrorists, imagine if they walk into nuclear plants or attack major events like world cups, they don't need much, cars and knives, police are stopping some of them before they even happen but a lot of them happens anyways especially in the middle east, people blame the middle east and islam but even if you take away religion and ban people from the middle east that doesn't prevent terrorism there are terrorists that are not religious or from the middle east, it could be anyone so how do you do it? Are we all just defenseless waiting for some nutcase to kill us?

No. Many forms of violence can be called terrorism. At the moment it just happens to be the meme for a particular type of violence.

Violence will always exist in this world, therefore terrorism will always exist as well.

 

[SamAdams]

Every problem has a root cause. One mistake many people make is assume that war, terrorism, religious extremism is a black/white issue. They simplify something without knowing the history and all of the factors that lead to the current situation.

For example, the Mujahideen was a rebel group that formed during the Cold War when Russia invaded Afghanistan; Osama Bin Laden was part of this group. The U.S. obviously supported this rebel group and eventually down the line this group splintered into other Jihadists groups including Al Qaeda and the Taliban. After the U.S. invaded Iraq and took out Sadaam, there was a power vacuum which lead to the formation of ISIS, who are a splitner group of people considered to be too extreme for Al Qaeda.

Even this summary that I just gave is still an oversimplification of a very complex web of issues.

Now the question is why do these groups exist and why do people keep joining them? Well ask yourself, if someone bombed your country and killed your friends or family, would you not want to retaliate? If you lived in poverty and you were in a warring state and had a group that promised salvation, glory, and virgins in the afterlife, would you not be tempted to join?

The terrorism that the Islamic extremists promote are an idea. You can't kill an idea with bombs, you can only fuel it. Many experts say that the most effective way of dealing with this is having the support of the nations that these terrorist groups reside in and have them weed them out, and also have a grass roots effort in order to try to fix the core problems that lead to desperate people forming such groups from ground up.

In reference to comments that groups like Isis form on their own in a vacuum see this very short vid below.

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These groups aren't just cropping up on their own. Their being created, funded, trained and armed by elites that want to distablize the region. There are no accidents.

 

[hypocritical]

Burn then all!!!

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

If you feel Muslims are to blame then here are your solutions:

1. Stop promoting civil strife for your shit political agendas.

2. Stop aiding and funding those who will bite your back.

3. Close borders.

4. Stop making it look like you want to wage a holy war against Muslims.
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Here's the thing with terrorism these days. People, average people, have the means to get radicalized anywhere in the world, and inflict major damage on mass, anywhere in the world. And the news of damage gets spread globally in an instant.

You can falsely blame Islam in its entirety, turn your face away from other people involved (the United States, England, Russia), hate us, push us and group us with terrorists all you want, but none of that will solve the problems, Muslims and non-Muslims, both deal with. In fact, it will only have the opposite effect.
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My solution: Stop letting terrorists win the propaganda war. Most terrorist sympathizers are uneducated idiots. They hear the news that an airstrike occurred. Immediately, they become hateful. Start aiding presidents who create order in their countries and yours. F*ck your geopolitics, stop "accidentally" bombing hospitals. Stop funding rebel groups. Don't allow Islamic Extremism (as in those who promote violence) a platform, censor that shit as good as you censor crimes against Muslims. Filter the types of people to come into your country. Allow families. Don't allow single Muslim men of fighting age to enter who stab someone when they find out they don't get freebies.

Screw you guys who think all Muslims are evil. It's the second largest and fastest growing religion out there, by converts and birth rate. If you think ostracizing Muslims is a solution, you are screwing everyone in this world over. Muslim countries are behind in many things but address those issues specifically. It is FAR MORE effective. Slavery was common in the Muslim world until England and the West put pressure on it to end it. It has ended. Womens', homosexuals', and apostle rights are behind but they are progressing, apply more pressure and the Muslim world will catch up. Don't use methods that are scientifically proven to be ineffective like pushing Muslims and saying "f*ck Islam" like some retarded Facebook activist.

Everyone says that if you get angry and super cautious of them then you're giving them what they want. Terrorist isn't the right term for them because terror isn't what they want, they want conquest, they want war. Ignoring them and moving on is what they couldn't care less about. They're here to take lives, not your comfort.

If you're ostracizing more people in the hopes of getting the root of the problem while ironically missing the root of the problem, you're making the problem worse.

 

[Lightbringer]

If you feel Muslims are to blame then here are your solutions:

1. Stop promoting civil strife for your shit political agendas.

2. Stop aiding and funding those who will bite your back.

3. Close borders.

4. Stop making it look like you want to wage a holy war against Muslims.
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Here's the thing with terrorism these days. People, average people, have the means to get radicalized anywhere in the world, and inflict major damage on mass, anywhere in the world. And the news of damage gets spread globally in an instant.

You can falsely blame Islam in its entirety, turn your face away from other people involved (the United States, England, Russia), hate us, push us and group us with terrorists all you want, but none of that will solve the problems we all face, Muslims and non-Muslims, both deal with. In fact, it will only have the opposite effect.
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My solution: Stop letting terrorists win the propaganda war. Most terrorist sympathizers are uneducated idiots. They hear the news that an airstrike occurred. Immediately, they become hateful. Start aiding presidents who create order in their countries and yours. F*ck your geopolitics, stop "accidentally" bombing hospitals. Stop funding rebel groups. Don't allow Islamic Extremism (as in those who promote violence) a platform, censor that shit as good as you censor crimes against Muslims. Filter the types of people to come into your country. Allow families. Don't allow single Muslim men of fighting age to enter who stab someone when they find out they don't get freebies.

Screw you guys who think all Muslims are evil. It's the second largest and fastest growing religion out there, by converts and birth rate. If you think ostracizing Muslims is a solution, you are screwing everyone in this world over. Muslim countries are behind in many things but address those issues specifically. It is FAR MORE effective. Slavery was common in the Muslim world until England and the West put pressure on it to end it. It has ended. Womens', homosexuals', and apostle rights are behind but they are progressing, apply more pressure and the Muslim world will catch up. Don't use methods that are scientifically proven to be ineffective than pushing Muslims and saying "f*ck Islam" like some retarded Facebook activist.

Thank you! I wish there were more members like you on here.

Just because we're defending Muslims doesn't mean we are agreeing with extremists or even the religion.

Scapegoating a community only creates more problems which leads into a cycle. This method hasn't worked for the past decade.

And we spend more time trying to tell people what the difference is that if we were to criticize Islam, then those same people would think that we are lumping different issues into one like they are.

First we have to establish that everyone is on the same page so that they can understand the genuine criticisms properly and not just blind hatred.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Thank you! I wish there were more members like you on here.

Just because we're defending Muslims doesn't mean we are agreeing with extremists or even the religion.

Scapegoating a community only creates more problems which leads into a cycle. This method hasn't worked for the past decade.

And we spend more time trying to tell people what the difference is that if we were to criticize Islam, then those same people would think that we are lumping different issues into one like they are.

First we have to establish that everyone is on the same page so that they can understand the genuine criticisms properly and not just blind hatred.

I know, right. I'm not even sure why people have to resort to hate just to express their opinions of a closed border. That's not necessarily a hateful opinion, you can express it without making yourself look like an *******. Same with criticizing Islam in general. There are genuine concerns to have but kids like the people in this thread have to say "Nah, you like your people being raped, gas the Muslims, Auschwitz (I'm 12 and funny)".

Maybe... just maybe, if we divide people by their actions + their stated beliefs with what you perceive their beliefs to be, and grow the f*ck up in serious discussion, you might get somewhere? But no, that's insane.

That is the most retarded thing i've red in this whole entire website, and i've seen a lot.

You, Lightbringer and Sagebee would make a great family.

I've never seen you even give an argument. It seems like you have a lot of time to insult but none to give your opinions or ideas. Hmmm. Which parts do you disagree with and why?

 

[Lightbringer]

I know, right. I'm not even sure why people have to resort to hate just to express their opinions of a closed border. That's not necessarily a hateful opinion, you can express it without making yourself look like an *******. Same with criticizing Islam in general. There are genuine concerns to have but kids like the people in this thread have to say "Nah, you like your people being raped, gas the Muslims, Auschwitz (I'm 12 and funny)".

Maybe... just maybe, if we divide people by their actions + their stated beliefs with what you perceive their beliefs to be, and grow the f*ck up in serious discussion, you might get somewhere? But no, that's insane.


I've never seen you even give an argument. It seems like you have a lot of time to insult but none to give your opinions or ideas. Hmmm. Which parts do you disagree with and why?

Yeah instead people just default to calling sensible reasoning as terrorist sympathizers because they can't see a world where they might be wrong. Humans are complex creatures and the issues surrounding them is infinitely more complex.

As Martin Luther King Jr. said:

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate. Only love can do that."

And it remains true. Wanting violence and demonizing cultures only adds to the problem.

 

[Fountain]

I've never seen you even give an argument. It seems like you have a lot of time to insult but none to give your opinions or ideas. Hmmm. Which parts do you disagree with and why?

I can't reason with people who are ignorant enough to write down an entire wall of bs sympathizing with radical islam while also in denial, and ignorant enough to think that when i say "red" i actually mean the color. Oh wait, no, you didn't but you tried to make it look as if it was a grammatical error because you're so pathetic that you still have to find something so petty to make a comeback.

And fyi i've already argued with you in the past, and the outcome is always the same. The only thing worth arguing is how many brain cells you have left.

 

[Lightbringer]

I can't reason with people who are ignorant enough to write down an entire wall of bs sympathizing with radical islam while also in denial, and ignorant enough to think that when i say "red" i actually mean the color. Oh wait, no, you didn't but you tried to make it look as if it was a grammatical error because you're so pathetic that you still have to find something so petty to make a comeback.

And fyi i've already argued with you in the past, and the outcome is always the same. The only thing worth arguing is how many brain cells you have left.

No one here is sympathizing with Islamic Terrorism. Get that through your head. What you're doing is disingenuous to any conversation made on this topic. You're not here to find a solution, you're just here to continue the same hate rhetoric.

Sympathizing with the Muslim community is not the same as sympathizing with Islamic Terrorism. Most Muslims aren't terrorists and guess what, people who are most affected by these Terrorists groups are in fact Muslims. #mindblown

 

[Sagebee]

I can't reason with people who are ignorant enough to write down an entire wall of bs sympathizing with radical islam while also in denial, and ignorant enough to think that when i say "red" i actually mean the color. Oh wait, no, you didn't but you tried to make it look as if it was a grammatical error because you're so pathetic that you still have to find something so petty to make a comeback.

And fyi i've already argued with you in the past, and the outcome is always the same. The only thing worth arguing is how many brain cells you have left.

So saying for us to be accountable is sympathizing with terrorism.

What are the factors to terrorism?

And what are the solutions?

It seems your not interested in discussion you just want us to just shut up and blindly fall in line in with what you think is correct.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

I can't reason with people who are ignorant enough to write down an entire wall of bs sympathizing with radical islam while also in denial, and ignorant enough to think that when i say "red" i actually mean the color. Oh wait, no, you didn't but you tried to make it look as if it was a grammatical error because you're so pathetic that you still have to find something so petty to make a comeback.

And fyi i've already argued with you in the past, and the outcome is always the same. The only thing worth arguing is how many brain cells you have left.

Another deflection?! Who would have thought?! Oh, wait, I did.

I literally said closing borders, will help. The most liberal thing I said in this regard was closing to Single Muslim men of fighting age. Is that retarded?

I have legitimate facts from many sources to prove that the United States, Russia, England have all meddled in the Middle East for personal gain. Have destabilized regions, and have supported rebel groups that have become terrorist. See the Mujahideen, see the Free Syrian Army. See Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria. I have proof they have instilled a puppet dictator in Iran before a revolution. All from valid sources.

I can link you recent US airstrikes that killed civilians in mass as recent as March, even. Need proof?

The slavery example is a part of history, it is factual.

Nothing I said was off the mark. Show me what specifics you disagree with, and I will try to be rational for your sake.

Don't worry, I know you won't because you can't. You will simply deflect again.

And red is only a color. The past-tense for read is the same, it is still read. There wasn't even a clever pun in there. That was a grammatical error from someone who insulted my post. Come on, try harder, really, it's sad.

 

[Fountain]

Another deflection?! Who would have thought?! Oh, wait, I did.

A deflection? Did i had to agree with you.

I literally said closing borders, will help. The most liberal thing I said in this regard was closing to Single Muslim men of fighting age. Is that retarded?

Not as much no. But when you READ the whole thing it doesn't make a difference.

I have legitimate facts from many sources to prove that the United States, Russia, England have all meddled in the Middle East for personal gain. Have destabilized regions, and have supported rebel groups that have become terrorist. See the Mujahideen, see the Free Syrian Army. See Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria. I have proof they have instilled a puppet dictator in Iran before a revolution. All from valid sources.

He has legitimate facts... I better watch out! he knows what he's talking about everyone.

I can link you recent US airstrikes that killed civilians in mass as recent as March, even. Need proof?

No, that won't necessary, i can do it myself, i'm not impaired. Do you need help finding out more about the religion of peace and their doings?

I will try to be rational for your sake.

And red is only a color. The past-tense for read is the same, it is still read. There wasn't even a clever pun in there. That was a grammatical error from someone who insulted my post. Come on, try harder, really, it's sad.

> Try harder he said.

> *What's retarded is his inability to spell read.*

 

[Lightbringer]

A deflection? Did i had to agree with you.



Not as much no. But when you READ the whole thing it doesn't make a difference.



He has legitimate facts... I better watch out! he knows what he's talking about everyone.



No, that won't necessary, i can do it myself, i'm not impaired. Do you need help finding out more about the religion of peace and their doings?







> Try harder he said.

> *What's retarded is his inability to spell read.*

You do realize your comment is just one big adhominen, whereas his was actually bringing up genuine points that would validate his argument?

You have yet to make any substantive point or provide any evidence that would validate yours. All you did was just respond with sarcasm and name calling.

Based on what was said, it sounds like you have nothing to say and so all you do is bash him and not debate him like he is trying to do with you.

It's incredibly disingenuous; and if that is the case, you might as well concede and save yourself from looking more of an ass.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

A deflection? Did i had to agree with you.

No, you're deflecting because you're not actually arguing my points. Just throwing in ad hominem fallacies and avoiding actual debate.

Not as much no. But when you READ the whole thing it doesn't make a difference.

So you think foreign interventionism is fake, and not a real contributor to terrorism? Nice but that is just objectively false.

He has legitimate facts... I better watch out! he knows what he's talking about everyone.

So you have nothing to argue? Again, foreign interventionism is a real thing, but you're just deflecting again.

No, that won't necessary, i can do it myself, i'm not impaired. Do you need help finding out more about the religion of peace and their doings?

I know Islam far more than you do, and it seems you don't know much about the geopolitics of the Middle East. My point is Islam is not solely to blame, I point out other factors and all you say is "But Islam".

Oh, the irony.

> Try harder he said.

> *What's retarded is his inability to spell read.*

You called my post retarded, yet you ironically said something retarded. I pointed it out merely as a light jab, but all you can refute is "you criticized my grammar, and you're stupid".

You can't use reason because reason is not on your side.

You do realize your comment is just one big adhominen, whereas his was actually bringing up genuine points that would validate his argument?

You have yet to make any substantive point or provide any evidence that would validate yours. All you did was just respond with sarcasm and name calling.

Based on what was said, it sounds like you have nothing to say and so all you do is bash him and not debate him like he is trying to do with you.

It's incredibly disingenuous; and if that is the case, you might as well concede and save yourself from looking more of an ass.

You're giving him too much credit. He is not smart enough to realize what he is doing is not a debate. Fallacies are debating to him. This is the same type of guy to justify neo-naziism because the left pushes them to doing so and not see the hypocrisy when it comes to Muslims in the same type of situation.