Who can Old Hiruzen beat in Akatsuki?

[Rikudou Tobi]

Absolutely not. Just trying to see why its a stomp. Gai didnt use a b or c rank jutsu yet tobi needed to use a rank to survive his attack. Not looking good

Gai used nunchucks that had powerful enough destructive power to destroy boulders with one touch. Something naruto's rasengan and kakashi's raikiri knife are able to do.

But like I said, tobi needed to use an A rank jutsu against kcm naruto and gai. If gai was alone he would be trading blows with tobi's fan all day because like tobi said, the sharingan can read movements. Kcm naruto was the huge factor where if it was against the Third Hokage Hiruzen, it would end in a stomp given the fact that Hiruzen doesn't have the destructive power of the mini biju bomb and gai's nunchucks used in succession.

I'm not trying to be biased or anything but even you know that Hiruzen has no counter for the Uchiha flame formation because you haven't provided an answer on how yet.

 

[Mellanoma]

Gai used nunchucks that had powerful enough destructive power to destroy boulders with one touch. Something naruto's rasengan and kakashi's raikiri knife are able to do.

But like I said, tobi needed to use an A rank jutsu against kcm naruto and gai. If gai was alone he would be trading blows with tobi's fan all day because like tobi said, the sharingan can read movements. Kcm naruto was the huge factor where if it was against the Third Hokage Hiruzen, it would end in a stomp given the fact that Hiruzen doesn't have the destructive power of the mini biju bomb and gai's nunchucks used in succession.

I'm not trying to be biased or anything but even you know that Hiruzen has no counter for the Uchiha flame formation because you haven't provided an answer on how yet.

Ah so your saying Tobi could beat Gai without using Kamui?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Ah so your saying Tobi could beat Gai without using Kamui?

Alone. Base Gai. Yes.

 

[Mellanoma]

Gai used nunchucks that had powerful enough destructive power to destroy boulders with one touch. Something naruto's rasengan and kakashi's raikiri knife are able to do.

But like I said, tobi needed to use an A rank jutsu against kcm naruto and gai. If gai was alone he would be trading blows with tobi's fan all day because like tobi said, the sharingan can read movements. Kcm naruto was the huge factor where if it was against the Third Hokage Hiruzen, it would end in a stomp given the fact that Hiruzen doesn't have the destructive power of the mini biju bomb and gai's nunchucks used in succession.

I'm not trying to be biased or anything but even you know that Hiruzen has no counter for the Uchiha flame formation because you haven't provided an answer on how yet.

Alone. Base Gai. Yes.

So why did he use Kamui vs Gai?

Are you also saying Gai's Nunchucks > Hiruzen Enma staff?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

So why did he use Kamui vs Gai?

Because of kcm naruto like I said. It was two attacks vs one, don't ignore that.

Are you also saying Gai's Nunchucks > Hiruzen Enma staff?

Are you saying Gai's nunchucks and Enma>Uchiha barrier?

 

[startup98]

Good luck, and

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Believe in the Hype!

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Fourth Databook proof!!!

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Translation: Hiruzen earned the title of professor for being a researcher. He was trained by both Hashirama and Tobirama, as the man that would succeed them. At a young age he showed greater talent than Tobirama. Ability in all Five Nature Alterations, Ability in all Hiden (clan techniques), Genjutsu, Ability in all Ninjutsu existing in Konoha which explains his reputation as the professor. His title of Professor is no joke, hence the essence of Hiruzen is his talent with ninjutsu. Everyone in the village is his family member

5 Elements - Not even his full power???

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Since Hiruzen was revived at old age, his chakra and power should be as low as before but wait... Tobirama states that the Hokage have been revived "close to original power" this means Hiruzen was revived weaker then he was alive at old age yet he was able to produce the 5 Elements at such mastery that it was even capable of stalemating the Buddha Statue while the 5 Kage couldn't. Just imagine his Prime.

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Hiruzen knows and could perform all non KKG Hidden Leaf Jutsu which equals = The use of the Ino–Shika–Chō at will with Kage Bunshin

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Broken Ninjutsu versatility

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Hiruzen utilizing the Inuzuka Clan's ability of an enhanced sense of smell to catch the 2 Hokage in complete darkness.

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Hidden Leaf Tech

Bringer of Darkness, Great Clone Explosion
Water Clone Technique
Water Release: Water Colliding Wave
Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet Technique
Water Release: Water Encampment Wall
Water Release: Water Trumpet
Demonic Illusion: Hell Viewing Technique
Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique
Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall
Earth Release: Hiding Like a Mole Technique
Earth Release: Multiple Earth-Style Wall (Anime only)
Eight Gates
Evil Sealing Method
Eye Mind Reading
Front Lotus
Lion Combo
Multiple Shadow Clone Technique
One Thousand Years of Death
Shadow Clone Technique
Shadow Imitation Technique
Water Needle
Shadow of the Dancing Leaf
Summoning: Earth Release: Tracking Fang Technique
Wind Release: Great Breakthrough


Sarutobi Clan
Fire Release: Ash Pile Burning
Fire Release: Great Flame Technique
Earth Release Shadow Clone
Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique
Earth Release: Earth Dragon Bullet
Earth Release: Earth Flow River
Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Bullet
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Flame Bullet
Roof Tile Shuriken
Shadow Clone Technique
Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique
Summoning Technique (Monkey King: Enma)
Telescope Technique


Izunaka Clan
Beast Human Clone
Dynamic Marking
Fang Passing Fang
Fang Rotating Fang (Manga only) - Capable of crushing stone
Fang Wolf Fang - The power is great enough to dent a Rashōmon gate
Four Legs Technique
Human Beast Combination Transformation: Double-Headed Wolf
Passing Fang

Akimichi clan
Butterfly Bullet Bombing
Calorie Control
Double Human Bullet Tank
Human Bullet Tank
Multi-Size Technique
Partial Multi-Size Technique
Spiked Human Bullet Tank
Super Multi-Size Technique
Super Open Hand Slap

Nara clan
Black Spider Lily
Shadow Gathering Technique
Shadow Imitation Shuriken Technique
Shadow Imitation Technique
Shadow Sewing Technique
Shadow–Neck Binding Technique

Yamanaka Clan
Mind Body Disturbance Technique
Mind Body Switch Technique
Mind Clone Switch Technique
Mind Disturbance Dance Performance Technique (Anime only)
Mind Puppet Switch Cursed Seal Technique
Yamanaka Clan Telepathy

Uchiha Clan
Fire Release: Dragon Flame Release Song Technique
Fire Release: Great Dragon Fire Technique
Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Fire Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Flower Nail Crimson
Manipulating Windmill Triple Blades

Uzumaki Clan

Dead Demon Consuming Seal
Five Elements Unseal

OP Summoning Monkey King Enma

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The Third hokage's comrade in arms, the monkey king enma's transformation jutsu Characterized by the hardness of diamond and its at-will extensibility, Kongou Nyoi-Bou is Sandaime's"weapon of choice", so to speak and with it in hand he's made it through a world of war for an extended period of time.

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Enma is capable of using Transformation: Adamantine Staff, which allows him to turn into a extending and expanding staff that is as hard as adamantine, capable of cutting through the Shinju branches easily. By extending in staff form, Enma can even push Kurama out of Konoha rather easily. He is also able to produce various body parts, such as eyes or arms, from the staff. Additionally, Enma can still move on his own in the staff form, allowing him to return to Hiruzen. Enma can even clone himself in his staff form, turning him into any number of smaller staffs that he uses for Adamantine Prison Wall, a move that can even protect against Hashirama Senju's Wood Release techniques.

Durability Feats - Super Kage Bunshin???

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Hiruzen has shown to have excellent durability feats at age 69 with his Kage Bunshin as one of his clones was stabbed by Hashirama with 4 Kunai in the chest yet did not disperse until Hiruzen was done with it. He was also able to hold Orochimaru's soul for an hour long despite being stabbed through the chest by the Sword of Kusangi.

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Dangerous CQC

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]Even past his Prime, Hiruzen had showed excellent Close Quarter Combat skills. Moments after sealing parts of his soul away to seal the Edo Hokage and exhausting his remaining Chakra on Kage Bunshin, he was still able to easily disarm Orochimaru from his Sword of Kusangi with great ease and catch him to prepare his sealing Jutsu. He was also able to easily break through the Shinju branches and save Naruto despite Tobirama and Minato unable to get through.

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Intelligence "The Professor"

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Having been around the previous 3 Shinobi World War, Hiruzen's knowledge and experience in all forms of Shinobi combat are unparalleled. Although brief, we only get to see a glimpse of "The Professor"

One great example would include when Hiruzen combined the Reaper Death Seal with Kage Bunshin to try and seal multiple souls at once. This was a genius move because it would help delay the sealing of his own soul enough to go after Orochimaru's soul next.

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The last time we see a glimpse of Hiruzen's intelligence was when he personally engages Obito so that nobody needs to put their lives at risk, taking advantage of the fact that he's already dead to analyse Obito's abilities. By observing Obito's Truth-Seeking Balls with his specialty, the Shuriken Kage Bunshin, he theorizes that they are similar to the Third Tsuchikage's kekkei tōta in that they are a combination of multiple nature transformations. He also postulates that the Truth-Seeking Balls have limits to the duration of their malleability, but his upper body is destroyed immediately after that. He was able to deduce the Truth-Seeking Balls, (a technique that is beyond Shinobi knowledge) in mere seconds after seeing it

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Further Hype and Testimonials

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Orochimaru admitting that he would be killed by a 59 year old Hiruzen.

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Danzo in his dying moments admitting inferiority despite possessing Izanagi, Kotoamatsukami and Hashirama's DNA.

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Kabuto, a spy who has spied on and knows all about the Shinobi countries states that an old Hiruzen was stronger then all the 5 Kage at the time. Just imagine his Prime.

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Even with the entire SA and 5 Kage, Shikamaru states that only Hiruzen could contend with Guruguru at the time.

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Considers himself to be the strongest in his group which also included Tobirama. Confident enough to take on the entire Kinkaku and survive.

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Extra Databook Hype

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"The sandaime, in particular, was a genius nicknamed the 'Professor,' and was called the strongest of all the Hokage".

the Sandaime was the strongest.

Databook 1, Page 117

The "Professor" revered as the strongest Hokage in history.

Databook 1, Page 119

"History's Strongest", "Genius", etc., there are many words that describe the Sandaime Hokage.

DB2 Pg 84
Konohamaru paragraph:

Konohamaru, descended from Sandaime, who was praised as history’s strongest Hokage.

"Hiruzen in his Prime was able to counter every Leaf Jutsu in Existance including all MS and EMS skills." DB2 Pg 84

Konohamaru paragraph:

Konohamaru, descended from Sandaime, who was praised as history’s strongest Hokage.

He who even holds the affectionate name of "Professor," being well-versed in every jutsu that exists in the village of Konohagakure

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[Mellanoma]

Because of kcm naruto like I said. It was two attacks vs one, don't ignore that.

Are you saying Gai's nunchucks and Enma>Uchiha barrier?

Just trying to figure out how its a stomp.

Putting up a barrier doesn't make something a stomp especially if you can go under it or over it

 

[startup98]

Just trying to figure out how its a stomp.

Putting up a barrier doesn't make something a stomp especially if you can go under it or over it

Enma Staff > Gai's Nunchucks

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[Rikudou Tobi]

Just trying to figure out how its a stomp.

Putting up a barrier doesn't make something a stomp especially if you can go under it or over it

You can't go underneath the barrier and even Gai said that they needed to defeat tobi first for the barrier to break. So if Gai, kakashi, Naruto, and Bee can go underneath or over the barrier to take out the statue. Why didn't they do that?

 

[Mellanoma]

You can't go underneath the barrier and even Gai said that they needed to defeat tobi first for the barrier to break. So if Gai, kakashi, Naruto, and Bee can go underneath or over the barrier to take out the statue. Why didn't they do that?

Because none of them had high level doton OR a staff that can extend, clone and climb up

 

[startup98]

You can't go underneath the barrier and even Gai said that they needed to defeat tobi first for the barrier to break. So if Gai, kakashi, Naruto, and Bee can go underneath or over the barrier to take out the statue. Why didn't they do that?

GG Barrier

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[Rikudou Tobi]

Because none of them had high level doton OR a staff that can extend, clone and climb up

Kakashi has a high level Doton.

GG Barrier

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I hope you know that's a picture of kakashi and he was incapable of doing that against the barrier. Try again.

 

[Mellanoma]

Kakashi has a high level Doton.

I hope you know that's a picture of kakashi and he was incapable of doing that against the barrier. Try again.

probably because the gedo mazo was inside the barrier.

Also you forget Hiruzen knew all the jutsu in the village. Why wouldn't he know the Uchiha flame barrier especially since the Kage barrier was much stronger

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

probably because the gedo mazo was inside the barrier.

So? There's still room for kakashi to be inside the barrier if it was possible for him to get inside with doton. But it's clearly not so doton doesn't work either.

Also you forget Hiruzen knew all the jutsu in the village. Why wouldn't he know the Uchiha flame barrier especially since the Kage barrier was much stronger

No .

 

[Mellanoma]

So? There's still room for kakashi to be inside the barrier if it was possible for him to get inside with doton. But it's clearly not so doton doesn't work either.

No .

Its a shame he had to use A rank jutsu to stop Kakashi

 

[startup98]

So? There's still room for kakashi to be inside the barrier if it was possible for him to get inside with doton. But it's clearly not so doton doesn't work either.

No .

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Translation: Hiruzen earned the title of professor for being a researcher. He was trained by both Hashirama and Tobirama, as the man that would succeed them. At a young age he showed greater talent than Tobirama. Ability in all Five Nature Alterations, Ability in all Hiden (clan techniques), Genjutsu, Ability in all Ninjutsu existing in Konoha which explains his reputation as the professor. His title of Professor is no joke, hence the essence of Hiruzen is his talent with ninjutsu. Everyone in the village is his family member

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Its a shame he had to use A rank jutsu to stop Kakashi

Well MS Kakashi is that strong. His mangekyo eye was strong enough to rip off the head of the Gedo and arm. Heck, he was able to warp the full hachibi in and out of space-time dimensions.

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Translation: Hiruzen earned the title of professor for being a researcher. He was trained by both Hashirama and Tobirama, as the man that would succeed them. At a young age he showed greater talent than Tobirama. Ability in all Five Nature Alterations, Ability in all Hiden (clan techniques), Genjutsu, Ability in all Ninjutsu existing in Konoha which explains his reputation as the professor. His title of Professor is no joke, hence the essence of Hiruzen is his talent with ninjutsu. Everyone in the village is his family member

No .

 

[Mellanoma]

Well MS Kakashi is that strong. His mangekyo eye was strong enough to rip off the head of the Gedo and arm. Heck, he was able to warp the full hachibi in and out of space-time dimensions.

No .

Hiruzen could use the Uchiha barrier based on databook. Databook says he can use ALL Hidden clan techniques in Konoha. a simple barrier would have been easy for him especially since he was aware of Uzumaki barriers, 4 flame kage barrier and Orochimaru's barrier.

To deny the databook would mean you also deny the jutsu classes.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Hiruzen could use the Uchiha barrier based on databook. Databook says he can use ALL Hidden clan techniques in Konoha. a simple barrier would have been easy for him especially since he was aware of Uzumaki barriers, 4 flame kage barrier and Orochimaru's barrier.

To deny the databook would mean you also deny the jutsu classes.

Yes. I'm denying all illogical FAN translation. He doesn't have the kekkai genkai

 

[iConquer]

Hidan, Konan, Deidara, Sasorry