Who can Old Hiruzen beat in Akatsuki?

[Erotic L]

Oro toyed with Hiruzen

However

Hiruzen also held back at the beginning. He didn't take the fight serious until it was too late.

Such clairvoyance and acumen. You're truly Itachi's follower.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

On par with kakazu. And I'm being generous

 

[Mellanoma]

MS Obito. Enma can attack independently but Enma's nowhere near fast enough to exploit any of Kamui's weaknesses.

True but Enma can also make clones of himself which should assist in making it difficult for Obito to capture Hiruzen. Not saying Hiruzen can beat him but I dont think it would be a stomp.

 

[Erotic L]

On par with kakazu. And I'm being generous

Whom Itachi solos.

 

[Nattana]

Loses to all of them. Bar maybe Zetsu.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

True but Enma can also make clones of himself which should assist in making it difficult for Obito to capture Hiruzen. Not saying Hiruzen can beat him but I dont think it would be a stomp.

:lol are you being bias against tobi again? He's even debatable against the likes of Hidan so you know the strongest of the organization wouldn't have any problem at all.
Heck, take away kamui and I'm trying to figure out how Hiruzen gets passed this.

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Whom Itachi solos.

I'm well aware. Amatersu or Tsukyomi one-shots

 

[Erotic L]

:lol are you being bias against tobi again? He's even debatable against the likes of Hidan so you know the strongest of the organization wouldn't have any problem at all.
Heck, take away kamui and I'm trying to figure out how Hiruzen gets passed this.

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I'm well aware. Amatersu or Tsukyomi one-shots

Such redundancy in those words. Itachi truly embodies the word "solo".

 

[Mellanoma]

:lol are you being bias against tobi again? He's even debatable against the likes of Hidan so you know the strongest of the organization wouldn't have any problem at all.
Heck, take away kamui and I'm trying to figure out how Hiruzen gets passed this.

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I'm well aware. Amatersu or Tsukyomi one-shots

If its a stomp why would he need the barrier? I know obito is your fav but read what I said lol

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

If its a stomp why would he need the barrier? I know obito is your fav but read what I said lol

Obito is not my fav, Pain is. But Tobi comes in close second as of now. A barrier is a stomp considering that it's one of his weaker jutsus that he has.

 

[ToshiZO]

He might not beat any of them depending on the scenario tbh.

 

[Mellanoma]

Obito is not my fav, Pain is. But Tobi comes in close second as of now. A barrier is a stomp considering that it's one of his weaker jutsus that he has.

So why didn't he use it until his back was forced into a corner?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

So why didn't he use it until his back was forced into a corner?

Because it was 4 v 1 and he couldn't use kamui carelessly against kakashi. So he needed to use other jutsus look curse mark stakes, wood style, uchiha reflection, and katon as well.

You realize that Kamui is an A rank move while Uchiha flame formation is B rank?

 

[Mellanoma]

Because it was 4 v 1 and he couldn't use kamui carelessly against kakashi. So he needed to use other jutsus look curse mark stakes, wood style, uchiha reflection, and katon as well.

You realize that Kamui is an A rank move while Uchiha flame formation is B rank?

So your saying Hiruzen would force him to use the same abilities he used in the 4v1? Sounds like it wouldn't be a stomp.

 

[startup98]

All of them except Itachi, Nagato and Obito.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

So your saying Hiruzen would force him to use the same abilities he used in the 4v1? Sounds like it wouldn't be a stomp.

That's not a good thing. In a 4 v 1 battle you're not going to fight each opponent individually with S-A rank moves because that requires too much chakra even for the best of fighters.

Individually B or C rank moves but all together one hit take out is S to A rank moves. So it's a stomp for sure.

 

[Mellanoma]

That's not a good thing. In a 4 v 1 battle you're not going to fight each opponent individually with S-A rank moves because that requires too much chakra even for the best of fighters.

Individually B or C rank moves but all together one hit take out is S to A rank moves. So it's a stomp for sure.

You actually using wikipedia jutsu ranks? haha ok

How come Obito spammed A rank jutsu the entire fight? Must not be a stomp

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

You actually using wikipedia jutsu ranks? haha ok

This is literally straight from the databook, and that's where the wikipedia gets it from? :|

How come Obito spammed A rank jutsu the entire fight? Must not be a stomp

Against Bm naruto and kakashi combo he did because they are not a stomp. Against Bee individually he didn't spam kamui because against him it was a stomp just like it would be Hiruzen.

 

[Mellanoma]

This is literally straight from the databook, and that's where the wikipedia gets it from? :|

Against Bm naruto and kakashi combo he did because they are not a stomp. Against Bee individually he didn't spam kamui because against him it was a stomp just like it would be Hiruzen.

Why he use it here? He couldn't stomp? Is non gated Gai just that good?

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[Rikudou Tobi]

Why he use it here? He couldn't stomp? Is non gated Gai just that good?

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Well yeah. Non gated Gai PLUS Kcm naruto is just that good. You think Hiruzen can beat Gai and Kcm Naruto like tobi?
And are you implying uchiha flame formation>kamui?

 

[Mellanoma]

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Well yeah. Non gated Gai PLUS Kcm naruto is just that good. You think Hiruzen can beat Gai and Kcm Naruto like tobi?
And are you implying uchiha flame formation>kamui?

Absolutely not. Just trying to see why its a stomp. Gai didnt use a b or c rank jutsu yet tobi needed to use a rank to survive his attack. Not looking good