Tsukuyomi can be broken?

[Mellanoma]

Looking back on the series. I realized something about Tsukuyomi

Tsukuyomi by the user creating a world and allows the target to interact in it based on what they pre-define.

1st point Kakashi Tsukuyomi

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He is literally pinned to a cross unable to move as he is tortured and thrown into shock.

2nd point Sasuke tsukuyomi

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When Sasuke is first pinned down he loses his eye however the adrenaline from the pain kicks in allowing him to use his curse mark to push Itachi back. Then, he is grabbed by Itachi's clone but his curse mark manifest even more breaking Tsukuyomi all together. In this world Tsukuyomi is setup to allow the target mobility and leaves the caster open to counter attack.

3rd Point Madara's Infinite Tsukuyomi

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Madara's Tsukuyomi is literally the perfect world, with no violence, all love and every one wins based on their predefined dream. Now im not saying Infinite Tsukuyomi can be broken but it seems in his world why would someone want to break it?


In short what this thread is saying is could someone break Tsukuyomi IF the user sets the world up for it to be potentially broken? Based on the 2nd point I believe so. For example if Kakashi was allowed mobility I believe he would have broken tsukuyomi.

 

[Styles]

Nah Tsukuyomi can only be broken by an Uchiha with the same blood as it's caster.

 

[Oblivionx]

You made an interesting point that being curse mark overpowering genjutsu with the help of sharingan. That pretty much makes it clear that any sort of SM user can't be put under normal sharingan genjutsu. As for tsukuyomi, i don't think kakashi could have broken it with 3T. Because he didn't have curse mark or any sort of outside chakra source. He may have tried to resist but in the end it was curse mark chakra that let sasuke break free. Then probably his eye finished the genjutsu altogether. In kakashi's case, it wouldn't be possible since genjutsu is chakra manipulation, it's not happening in real that kakashi could have fought off itachi in tsukuyomi. Sasuke disrupted chakra flow with curse mark. He didn't actually beat itachi in his own world.

 

[Mellanoma]

Nah Tsukuyomi can only be broken by an Uchiha with the same blood as it's caster.

You made an interesting point that being curse mark overpowering genjutsu with the help of sharingan. That pretty much makes it clear that any sort of SM user can't be put under normal sharingan genjutsu. As for tsukuyomi, i don't think kakashi could have broken it with 3T. Because he didn't have curse mark or any sort of outside chakra source. He may have tried to resist but in the end it was curse mark chakra that let sasuke break free. Then probably his eye finished the genjutsu altogether. In kakashi's case, it wouldn't be possible since genjutsu is chakra manipulation, it's not happening in real that kakashi could have fought off itachi in tsukuyomi. Sasuke disrupted chakra flow with curse mark. He didn't actually beat itachi in his own world.

Based on what we know.. The best assumption is Itachi released it to make it seem as if Sasuke broke it. Its a planned death afterall

The point of the thread is stating if Tsukuyomi gives the user the ability to create the world for the target could the caster set the world up to be broken?

 

[Oblivionx]

Based on what we know.. The best assumption is Itachi released it to make it seem as if Sasuke broke it. Its a planned death afterall

The point of the thread is stating if Tsukuyomi gives the user the ability to create the world for the target could the caster set the world up to be broken?

Yes itachi probably let him but not to say sasuke did nothing. Itachi's goal was to push sasuke to the limits. So sasuke surely overpowered it to some extent.
And @bold, i don't think so. Since physical fight is not the way to break out of genjutsu then world doesn't matter. If what is required to break out is curse mark plus sharingan then world won't matter. Sasuke can fight for all eternity but won't break out unless he disrupted his chakra flow. What you are suggesting is resisting. Fighting physically in genjutsu is resisting genjutsu like kakashi vs obito. They were both equal so they fought each other since they were able to resist each other till they decided to end genjutsu. Same thing happened with sasuke, he was resisting genjutsu till he broke out of it. Kakashi got hit, he couldn't resist since he neither had senjutsu nor uchiha chakra.

 

[Xēnovia.]

Only by other skilled Uchiha users like Shisui, Sasuke, Obito etc.

 

[Genocide]

i doubt it since its a rinnesharingan technique not sharingan

 

[Mellanoma]

Yes itachi probably let him but not to say sasuke did nothing. Itachi's goal was to push sasuke to the limits. So sasuke surely overpowered it to some extent.
And @bold, i don't think so. Since physical fight is not the way to break out of genjutsu then world doesn't matter. If what is required to break out is curse mark plus sharingan then world won't matter. Sasuke can fight for all eternity but won't break out unless he disrupted his chakra flow. What you are suggesting is resisting. Fighting physically in genjutsu is resisting genjutsu like kakashi vs obito. They were both equal so they fought each other since they were able to resist each other till they decided to end genjutsu. Same thing happened with sasuke, he was resisting genjutsu till he broke out of it. Kakashi got hit, he couldn't resist since he neither had senjutsu nor uchiha chakra.

Explain Izanami then

 

[Styles]

Explain Izanami then

To get out of Izanami the person casted in it must know what they really want and find their true self. If you don't do that then you're stuck in Izanami's loop until you do.

 

[Mellanoma]

To get out of Izanami the person casted in it must know what they really want and find their true self. If you don't do that then you're stuck in Izanami's loop until you do.

@Bold that is the trigger that Itachi set on it and this is why I believe Tsukuyomi in essence works the same way. One could say they are brother genjutsu in terms of how their mechanics work.

 

[Oblivionx]

@Bold that is the trigger that Itachi set on it and this is why I believe Tsukuyomi in essence works the same way. One could say they are brother genjutsu in terms of how their mechanics work.

No every genjutsu has a certain condition to be met in order to be broken. Izanami is a special technique that requires eye sacrifice. Tsukuyomi isn't even close. Heck they are almost opposites for illusions. Izanami doesn't require eye contact. It's a loop between two sensations or events. Tsukuyomi is a genjutsu like all other genjutsus except in it, time can be manipulated. There is no special trigger that can be set. It's predefined trigger.

 

[Styles]

@Bold that is the trigger that Itachi set on it and this is why I believe Tsukuyomi in essence works the same way. One could say they are brother genjutsu in terms of how their mechanics work.

That's actually how Izanami works in general. Tsukuyomi don't work that way. The "brother" of Izanami is Izanagi. Tsukuyomi and Izanami don't have the same mechanics.

 

[UnknownJin]

Only by other skilled Uchiha users like Shisui, Sasuke, Obito etc.

if thats so, Tsukuyomi isnt even strong.

 

[SenseiSama]

Only by those with stronger chakra than Itachi, so basically only by incarnates and above

 

[Chikombo]

Infinite is likely unbreakable cus it's too powerful, but yea maybe.