How in the world if cracker fought luffy one on one Haki against Haki luffy would've ended the fight in an hour tops oda had cracker hide behind army that why the fight last 11+ hours the moment luffy touched cracker the fight ended. It's sad you actually trying separate zoro and sanji I hope those measurements of strength are EOS because zoro isn't beating an admiral now and if so zoro and sanji will both defeat an admiral each EOS there final feat will actually be the same feat and yet your trying to down grade sanji by say he can defeat yonko commander instead of an admiral that's just pitiful on your part
[Discussion] Sanji dodged katakuri's bullet omfg!!!
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I need real sentences & at least decent grammar to follow. Work on that cause I have no idea why you said the things you did, completely missing the point of my posts.....
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lol dude no. The fight lasted an hour because Luffy had to keep running from Cracker.
Cracker was hiding behind his army of soldiers that's why it took so long. Consider this if one attack ended the fight then why did it take 11 hours to finish because cracker used numbers to not only protect himself but also to try and overwhelm luffy. Oda could've ended the fight immediately but that would have tremendously damaged the hype of both the commanders of a yonko and the yonkos themselves. Think about it this way jack fought for days just tanking attacks from powerful opponents and an army of minks while cracker prolonged a fight against luffy by hiding behind his army never fighting on the front lines. That right there tells me jack and cracker are on two entirely different levels. Cracker vs luffy is a battle of stamina not an actual 1 V 1
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No. Cracker wasn't "hiding" behind his army. That's like saying Akainu hides behind his magma, or Whitebeard hides behind his Quakes. He was confronting Luffy with his powers. Luffy was running and hiding.
The fight lasting that long was to show how inferior Luffy was to Cracker. The fact of the matter is, Luffy needed Nami to wet those crackers for him. Luffy had to constantly replenish his stamina, while Cracker had no way to do so. Cracker's stamina lasted those 11 hours based on his capabilities alone. Luffy needed to eat Cracker's biscuits to keep his stamina up. If it was a battle of stamina, then Cracker won.
Cracker attacked luffy and almost cut his entire arm off and once luffy broke through his first biscuit soldier cracker kept his distance. If what your saying is true why did cracker attack luffy directly and subsequently lose the fight the moment he made contact with luffy. I believe that there are people better suited for certain fights, for instance I believe law would've been a better fit for cracker. The fight wouldn't have lasted 2 hours because law could get rid of his army without the use of so much stamina. That certainly doesn't mean law is stronger then luffy
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Cracker kept hiding behind his army luffy even explained that cracker could create an unlimited amount of soldiers but doing so uses up a large amount of stamina. Luffy's plan was to drain crackers stamina to the point where he couldn't create anymore soldiers and luffy could finally get his hands on cracker. Seems pretty straight forward to me
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The fact that Luffy had to do that shows that Cracker was stronger than Luffy, as he had to wait until Cracker couldn't fight with his powers to confront him.
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Why are you comparing the gap between Marco and Curiel to the gap between the Sweet Commanders? Every Yonko crew seen so far has four subordinates that are significantly stronger than the other subordinates. For example, Whitebeard had Marco, Jozu, Vista, and Ace, Kaido has King, Queen, Jack, and Drake, and Big Mom has Katakuri, Smoothie, Cracker, and Snack. Since Curiel is not part of a Yonko Top 4, the gap between him and Marco is not comparable to the gap between any of the Sweet Commanders.
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It establishes that the concept of "Commanders on an Emperor's crew" is not enough, by itself, to prove that these characters are within the same level, or close enough in strength that being unable to beat one guarantees being unable to beat the other.
You'd need other info to prove that they're that close in power. We have not seen such info.
Wait so because luffy used a strategy against his opponent that means he was weaker that honestly makes no sense what so ever there is more to winning a fight then just brute strength. Cracker hiding behind an army shows weakness to me jack the drought didn't hide behind his subordinates he was on the front line fighting for days that's strength.
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Nope. The fact that Luffy's strategy was to wait until his opponent couldn't use his powers to confront him shows that Luffy is incapable of overpowering Cracker's powers. In a clash where they are using their powers, Cracker will overwhelm Luffy and kill him. Hence why Luffy needed to run and hide. Goes double since he needed Nami for that strategy to even work.
Cracker hiding behind an army he created with HIS POWERS isn't hiding behind an army at all. IT'S HIS POWERS. It's NO DIFFERENT than Akainu and Whitebeard throwing magma towards their opponent instead of fighting through sheer hand to hand combat. Fighting someone by throwing your bare fists and fighting in CQC isn't the only way to fight. This goes TRIPLE since the reason Luffy's one attack knocked out Cracker was because he threw Cracker through his OWN BISCUITS. So Luffy himself didn't even generate the impact that knocked Cracker out, it was CRACKER'S power that created that impact. Without Cracker's biscuits, Luffy would have sent him flying and he'd have just come back since the biscuits are what knocked him out.
No matter how much you spin it to wank Luffy, he looks bad.
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Condemning Cracker for "hiding behind" his own powers? Damn...didn't know Law, Mingo, Hawkins, Kidd, Capone, WB, Akainu, Sabo, Fujitora, Aokiji, Ace, Kizaru & Sengoku were weak for hiding behind their DF powers.
Burgess>Prime WB. Only reason WB is so "strong" is because of the his DF powers.
Burgess>Prime WB. Only reason WB is so "strong" is because of the his DF powers.
That makes no sense especially since luffy broke through his biscuit soldiers cracker even said he can't take pain at all his soldiers infused with Haki couldn't stand up to Kong Gun so cracker would've lasted after taking one or even a King Kong Gun yea your out of your mind. Law could defeat cracker because his devil fruit could do away with crackers army without much effort. So does that mean law is stronger then luffy when he was basically a supporting cast member against doffy. So is law stronger then luffy if so then your right so please let me know if he is ????
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This is completely false. For one thing, two Kong Guns damaged the biscuits, but an army of them? Hurting one biscuit left Luffy wide open to Cracker's attack. If they swarmed him, it would take multiple blows to destroy a single biscuit soldier. In that moment that Luffy is destroying one soldier, he'd leave himself open to the swarm of biscuits coming at him from every other direction.
A King Kong Gun is a TERRIBLE choice to make against the biscuit soldiers. Even if Luffy takes out a bunch of them, KKG drains his stamina for G4 and reverts him to his normal form. Luffy hits a KKG, knocks down a few biscuit soldiers, and leaves himself completely open to the rest of the biscuits and Cracker while he's passed out.
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Kong Gun broke Cracker's armor. An army of biscuit soldiers could withstand G4 gatling & march forward. G4 FAILED to put Cracker down or hit him, as it wore off. Luffy then used a strategy that required NAMI'S HELP, who's abilities was a PERFECT COUNTER to Cracker's biscuits, making them so weak that Base Luffy could deal with them and this went on for 11 hours.
Bottom line is that without Nami with her specific perfect counter, Luffy would've have been able to last so long. G4 couldn't stop Cracker & we clearly saw that Cracker could easily deal with & hold off G4. Cracker also took the equivalent of 3 Kong Guns when he made the poor decision to attack Tankman directly, not knowing what it could do, and was sent flying through 3 hard soldiers.
Yea I'm gonna ignore all of that because nothing your saying is fact because just like me you didn't see their fight so I see you avoided my question so I'll ask you again is law stronger then luffy because he is more suited for a fight against cracker ?