[YY] Yin Release

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This is going to be your only reply in months
Don't mind her, she's just jealous I'm giving people, other than her, attention. No mother likes to see their child grow.

I paused my teachings on account of a busy schedule outside of NB and my desire to complete the techniques (didn't want to train people in an incomplete skill). I'm more comfortable training now after finishing up all the techniques so I'll try to be more responsive if for nothing else than to spite Lili's previous statement.

Anyway, contrary to my usual training method which follows various sub-categorizations of a skill, Yin and Yang is going to be a different breed all together. I believe I intended to break YY training up into a series of steps which follow a pattern close to the following:

Introduction: Basically an overview of the origins of NB YY from the Naruto-canon and non-canon inspirations that will lay out the scope of Yin, Yang and Yin-Yang techniques and abilities. Depending on what skill you're learning first I'll emphasize more on that nature (so Yin for now). I'd clear any misconceptions based how I think people perceive things and any questions you have.

Technique Training: There are literally 5 techniques you can actually learn without needing YY so there's really no need to break them up into methods. Each technique would get a detailed and involved discussion to prevent abuse and maximize usage potential. We'll also talk about custom construction. I may or may not take you through the other techniques in the skill as far as getting you to understand them for the future.

That's enough curriculum talk, we can start now. Begin by explaining what you know of Yin-Yang within the contexts of the Naruto-canon and the Daoist/East Asian philosophical canon.
 

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Don't mind her, she's just jealous I'm giving people, other than her, attention. No mother likes to see their child grow.

I paused my teachings on account of a busy schedule outside of NB and my desire to complete the techniques (didn't want to train people in an incomplete skill). I'm more comfortable training now after finishing up all the techniques so I'll try to be more responsive if for nothing else than to spite Lili's previous statement.

Anyway, contrary to my usual training method which follows various sub-categorizations of a skill, Yin and Yang is going to be a different breed all together. I believe I intended to break YY training up into a series of steps which follow a pattern close to the following:

Introduction: Basically an overview of the origins of NB YY from the Naruto-canon and non-canon inspirations that will lay out the scope of Yin, Yang and Yin-Yang techniques and abilities. Depending on what skill you're learning first I'll emphasize more on that nature (so Yin for now). I'd clear any misconceptions based how I think people perceive things and any questions you have.

Technique Training: There are literally 5 techniques you can actually learn without needing YY so there's really no need to break them up into methods. Each technique would get a detailed and involved discussion to prevent abuse and maximize usage potential. We'll also talk about custom construction. I may or may not take you through the other techniques in the skill as far as getting you to understand them for the future.

That's enough curriculum talk, we can start now. Begin by explaining what you know of Yin-Yang within the contexts of the Naruto-canon and the Daoist/East Asian philosophical canon.
In the context of Naruto-canon, Yin Release, which is translated to Dark/Shadow Style in the Viz, are a field of techniques that are based on spiritual energy and imagination. On its most basic level, it's describe as making form out of nothingness, while its counterpart Yang Release breathes life into pre-existing form.

Because Yin Release is spiritual in nature, Genjutsu is considered naturally stemming from it, as it affects on the mental and spiritual level, rather than the physical. Techniques like the Yamanaka clan's, another set of spiritual/mental techs, and techniques like Nara clan's shadows, which bring form through imagination to their shadows, also exemplify the basis of Yin Release. Yin Release, as such, can be use to manipulate the physical properties of techniques and structures beyond what is normally possible for the average ninja, such as granting intangibility to solids such as earth, or solidity to non-solid materials like lightning, wind, or fire.

Taken to high levels, Yin Release can, naturally due to being the essence of spiritual energy, also affect the minds of others. This can be considered somewhat of an upgraded grade of what occurs in Genjutsu. Rather than just making the mind experience illusions, Yin Release can enhance Genjutsu or instill these effects themselves to bend the target's mental and spiritual energies to their will. This can be seen with the Hand of the Sloth technique and the Yin Release: Onyx Chidori. Both of these affects the targets mind above all else, draining the energy of their mind and causing them to become lethargic, or lose the ability to mold chakra properly, as a result of their mind weakening.

Yin Release also grants chakra absorbing qualities. Distinct from Yang Release that notable gives vitality and life, Yin Release is colder, and instead drains vitality through sucking away a target's chakra, or absorbing power from their techniques, or draining their mental and spiritual energies, warranting the name of "Dark" release.

In the canon of Daoisim/Asian philosophy, Yin is part of the concept known as "Yin and Yang." Yin, meaning dark, and Yang, meaning bright, together exemplify wholeness and balance. Concepts and objects that seem to be on opposing sides actually compliment each other, and interconnect to bring about wholeness and balance. When separated into yin and yang separately, they will naturally seek to reestablish that balance again. While some Asian philosophies, such as Confucianism, make a distinction between good and bad on a moral and practical level, Daoism rather leans that the differences in "good" and "bad" in duality are purely in the mind, constructed by perception, rather than governed by practical reality. As such, the whole created by Yin and Yang interconnecting and completing each other matters more than the components that form the whole. I believe this is referred to as Oneness.

In Daoistic teachings, Yin and Yang is predated by Wuji, the universe in a primordial form of inactivity and rest. From Wuji came Taiji, the oneness. Taiji is unlimited potential, and from Taiji came Yin and Yang. It's still up for debate, but many scholars agree that from interaction between Yin and Yang and chi came the three gods known as the Pure Ones, from whom all sentient life stems from. But to back Yin, Yin cannot be separated from Yang. Nothing exist that is purely either or, and everything has elements of both within them. This is perhaps best exemplified with night and day. You cannot have only night, or only day, they always flow back towards each other. Similarly, no one is all evil or all good. Neither can something exist without its opposite, thus Yin and Yang will always exist, sustaining each other so to speak, so long as the other does.
 

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Good researching,

Because Yin Release is spiritual in nature, Genjutsu is considered naturally stemming from it, as it affects on the mental and spiritual level, rather than the physical. Techniques like the Yamanaka clan's, another set of spiritual/mental techs, and techniques like Nara clan's shadows, which bring form through imagination to their shadows, also exemplify the basis of Yin Release. Yin Release, as such, can be use to manipulate the physical properties of techniques and structures beyond what is normally possible for the average ninja, such as granting intangibility to solids such as earth, or solidity to non-solid materials like lightning, wind, or fire.
This addition came from Madara I believe, when he changed the nature of lightning to a solid. The only real justification for this I can think of is that they were emphasizing the whole "manipulation of reality" aspect of their rendition of Yin, which would subsequently allow for them to change the structure of elements.

Taken to high levels, Yin Release can, naturally due to being the essence of spiritual energy, also affect the minds of others. This can be considered somewhat of an upgraded grade of what occurs in Genjutsu. Rather than just making the mind experience illusions, Yin Release can enhance Genjutsu or instill these effects themselves to bend the target's mental and spiritual energies to their will.
The thing is, genjutsu has always been able to accomplish this goal inside of the canon, long before its classification of Yin. Genjutsu has always had the hypnotic ability to bend wills and control minds it's just that our system after late 2009 - early 2010 never allowed for basic genjutsu to possess such power playing abilities. If we're looking at the two extremes of Tai and genjutsu, which are almost the closest spectrum of Yang and Yin individually, the ultimate taijutsu user is an unstoppable physical force. They are fast, powerful, durable, untiring and if you look at the potential of taijutsu you can become that canonically through abilities like the Gates and it is very common to find customs that boost stats on a physical level (speed and power mostly). The ultimate genjutsu user, on the other hand, should be able to cast a technique that cannot be detected until it's too late, effortlessly penetrate the mind of those spiritually weaker than them, and/or literally take control of their mind and impose their own will upon another. These abilities are not universal and require Uchiha bios at the test level or Kurama bios. Custom wise there must be a way for your opponent to discern a genjutsu even if it's benign, gen specialists still succumb to blocks created by those who are otherwise weak in mind, and mind control/will imposition is banned outside of Yin Release and MS grade.

This is my soapbox, yes, but I'm training you so you'll have to deal with it. The fear for genjutsu is the inability for people to break it at it's highest level and loose and if we allow higher levels of control in the general public everybody turns to it. However that's what happened with taijutsu and physical enhancements since Gates, Weights, and physical buffs are highly sought after. So Yin has become the higher grade universal genjutsu that is achievable by anybody and, hopefully, I can push a bit more on some higher grade genjutsu that exist outside the domain of the Uchiha to give genjutsu users a cut of their own. /end rant

Yin Release also grants chakra absorbing qualities. Distinct from Yang Release that notable gives vitality and life, Yin Release is colder, and instead drains vitality through sucking away a target's chakra, or absorbing power from their techniques, or draining their mental and spiritual energies, warranting the name of "Dark" release.
This is a combination of abilities based on what has been illustrated and what exists in the Daoist canon's properties of Yin. If you remember Tayuya from pre-shippuden, she created ethereal worm like creatures from her summons that ate spiritual chakra, that is perhaps the best example of Yin based ninjutsu. Yin is also slower, meager, receptive, and indirect. when thinking of abilities of existing techniques and even custom techniques think of these aspects.

In Daoistic teachings, Yin and Yang is predated by Wuji, the universe in a primordial form of inactivity and rest. From Wuji came Taiji, the oneness. Taiji is unlimited potential, and from Taiji came Yin and Yang.
Bonus points if you tell me what comes after Yin and Yang in this cycle and what chapter in the Dao De Ching this comes from. It's been posted here before so it should be easy to find.
 

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Good researching,

This addition came from Madara I believe, when he changed the nature of lightning to a solid. The only real justification for this I can think of is that they were emphasizing the whole "manipulation of reality" aspect of their rendition of Yin, which would subsequently allow for them to change the structure of elements.
It makes sense tbvh. Manipulating the physical form of something is a natural next step to creating physical form in the first place, after all.

The thing is, genjutsu has always been able to accomplish this goal inside of the canon, long before its classification of Yin. Genjutsu has always had the hypnotic ability to bend wills and control minds it's just that our system after late 2009 - early 2010 never allowed for basic genjutsu to possess such power playing abilities. If we're looking at the two extremes of Tai and genjutsu, which are almost the closest spectrum of Yang and Yin individually, the ultimate taijutsu user is an unstoppable physical force. They are fast, powerful, durable, untiring and if you look at the potential of taijutsu you can become that canonically through abilities like the Gates and it is very common to find customs that boost stats on a physical level (speed and power mostly). The ultimate genjutsu user, on the other hand, should be able to cast a technique that cannot be detected until it's too late, effortlessly penetrate the mind of those spiritually weaker than them, and/or literally take control of their mind and impose their own will upon another. These abilities are not universal and require Uchiha bios at the test level or Kurama bios. Custom wise there must be a way for your opponent to discern a genjutsu even if it's benign, gen specialists still succumb to blocks created by those who are otherwise weak in mind, and mind control/will imposition is banned outside of Yin Release and MS grade.

This is my soapbox, yes, but I'm training you so you'll have to deal with it. The fear for genjutsu is the inability for people to break it at it's highest level and loose and if we allow higher levels of control in the general public everybody turns to it. However that's what happened with taijutsu and physical enhancements since Gates, Weights, and physical buffs are highly sought after. So Yin has become the higher grade universal genjutsu that is achievable by anybody and, hopefully, I can push a bit more on some higher grade genjutsu that exist outside the domain of the Uchiha to give genjutsu users a cut of their own. /end rant
This is actually kinda related to why I picked Yin over Yang. There's so much Taijutsu boosting in canon and custom that it's kinda played out, for me. Since mental/spiritual-based applications aren't as explored, I felt like Yin gave more room to breathe, especially custom-wise. In a way, the fact that the highest grade of Gen was excluded to such a specific group, rather than more general ones like Taijutsu was, kinda left it more untapped to explore in, imo. Yin is a pretty good way to increase that.


This is a combination of abilities based on what has been illustrated and what exists in the Daoist canon's properties of Yin. If you remember Tayuya from pre-shippuden, she created ethereal worm like creatures from her summons that ate spiritual chakra, that is perhaps the best example of Yin based ninjutsu. Yin is also slower, meager, receptive, and indirect. when thinking of abilities of existing techniques and even custom techniques think of these aspects.
Ahh I had forgotten about her. Was she the inspiration for techs like Hand of Sloth?

Bonus points if you tell me what comes after Yin and Yang in this cycle and what chapter in the Dao De Ching this comes from. It's been posted here before so it should be easy to find.
The Three Pure Ones, the three Gods that are exhalted as the highest in Daoism. Yuanshi Tianzun, Lingbao Tianzun, and Daode Tianzun. I believe it's chapter 42?
 

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Ahh I had forgotten about her. Was she the inspiration for techs like Hand of Sloth?
No, if you've ever seen Re:Zero, that's where the technique came from. There was a dude who was batshit and had a power similar to HoS

The Three Pure Ones, the three Gods that are exhalted as the highest in Daoism. Yuanshi Tianzun, Lingbao Tianzun, and Daode Tianzun. I believe it's chapter 42?
You're talking about religious Daoism as opposed to philosophical Daoism. There is a distinction between the two.

It is chapter 42; dao (nothingness) to one (Taiji - the all encompassing) to two (Yin Yang) to three (the five agents) to the 10,000 things (10k represents infinity since it was a large and believed to be unattainable number).

There's more to that chapter but that's the only part I was referring to.

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Next thing to discuss about NB Yin Yang is the introduction of ratios. If you remember when Naruto was learning under Killer Bee about the TBB they talked about chakra ratios. When Scorps was still here, he and I decided that it would better to discuss chakra ratios in depth when it came to Yin-Yang. The biggest thing to take away from this is that when doing Yin or Yang techniques, the ratio is of Yin to Yang is going to be very uneven toward whatever side you are emphasizing in order to gain the bolstered effects of the nature.

when it comes to Yin-Yang techniques the ratio is going to more or less even, however, the in-game logic behind why Y-Y > ordinary ninjutsu is that: after learning how to concentrate pure* Yin and Yang chakra, your control and level of manipulation allows you to bring out the potential of ninjutsu that was previously inhibited by sloppy imbalanced control.

So when it comes to the techniques in Yin Release, part of the explanation will be where does Yang exist within the context of the technique and that will essentially be how I explain ratios. There won't be any math.

*pure meaning the presence of the other exists enough to define the other. So Yin has Yang, enough for Yin to be described as Yin and visa versa.
 

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No, if you've ever seen Re:Zero, that's where the technique came from. There was a dude who was batshit and had a power similar to HoS



You're talking about religious Daoism as opposed to philosophical Daoism. There is a distinction between the two.

It is chapter 42; dao (nothingness) to one (Taiji - the all encompassing) to two (Yin Yang) to three (the five agents) to the 10,000 things (10k represents infinity since it was a large and believed to be unattainable number).

There's more to that chapter but that's the only part I was referring to.

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Next thing to discuss about NB Yin Yang is the introduction of ratios. If you remember when Naruto was learning under Killer Bee about the TBB they talked about chakra ratios. When Scorps was still here, he and I decided that it would better to discuss chakra ratios in depth when it came to Yin-Yang. The biggest thing to take away from this is that when doing Yin or Yang techniques, the ratio is of Yin to Yang is going to be very uneven toward whatever side you are emphasizing in order to gain the bolstered effects of the nature.

when it comes to Yin-Yang techniques the ratio is going to more or less even, however, the in-game logic behind why Y-Y > ordinary ninjutsu is that: after learning how to concentrate pure* Yin and Yang chakra, your control and level of manipulation allows you to bring out the potential of ninjutsu that was previously inhibited by sloppy imbalanced control.

So when it comes to the techniques in Yin Release, part of the explanation will be where does Yang exist within the context of the technique and that will essentially be how I explain ratios. There won't be any math.

*pure meaning the presence of the other exists enough to define the other. So Yin has Yang, enough for Yin to be described as Yin and visa versa.
Hm, so basically to a person untrained in Yin-Yang, or performing just plain old Ninjutsu, the ratio of Yin and Yang in the jutsu would just be a random and sloppy; when a person is using Yin, Yang, or Yin-Yang, they're forcefully controlling what the ratio is.
 

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Think of it like this:

With non-YY ninjutsu the scope of your abilities is limited because the ratio you use of spiritual to physical chakra is limited. You can't refine either of the two natures as much as you could with YY so you get a less refined ninjutsu technique. With Yin Release and Yang Release refining your ability to manipulate chakra to very fine grains, you gain the ability to add that refinement to techniques.
 

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Next thing, is the abilities

Specialty: At this point you do not have a declared specialty. You do not get to declare one until you at least finish the first nature you decide to learn, in which case, that would be the nature you specialize in. Essentially you choose which ever nature you think will fit you best if you're banking on getting Yin and Yang Release that is. I expect people to specialize in the skill they learn first, however I won't assume.

Elemental Manipulation: At this point you only possess the ability to manipulate multiple elements. You will gain the ability to use 1 hand sign for two specialties if you complete Yin-Yang Release.

Sensory: Only after completing Yin-Yang Release

Chakra Efficiency: Only after you complete Yin-Yang Release

Yin Release Specialty: If you decide to be a specialist in Yin, this comes after completion of Yin Release.
 

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Alright we'll go into the first technique which is the "Change into Heaven."

(Yinton: Ten ni henkō) - Yin Release: Change into Heaven
Type: Supplementary
Rank: S-Rank
Range: Short
Chakra cost: N/A (+70)
Damage points: N/A
Description: The user manipulates a technique of the basic 5 elements with Yin nature, allowing him to change its properties. Fire can become solid. Lightning can become tangible. The possibilities are as endless as is the users own imagination. The end resulting technique is neutral to all basic elemental natures. This doesn't consume time since its actually a skill applied to a technique used at the same time.
Note: Usable 4 times per battle

Now this is my first time actually analyzing the potential for this technique. First question I'm going to ask you is:

Do you believe the scope of this technique is simply turning intangible elements tangible and visa-versa or is there a larger scale? Explain.
 

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Alright we'll go into the first technique which is the "Change into Heaven."

(Yinton: Ten ni henkō) - Yin Release: Change into Heaven
Type: Supplementary
Rank: S-Rank
Range: Short
Chakra cost: N/A (+70)
Damage points: N/A
Description: The user manipulates a technique of the basic 5 elements with Yin nature, allowing him to change its properties. Fire can become solid. Lightning can become tangible. The possibilities are as endless as is the users own imagination. The end resulting technique is neutral to all basic elemental natures. This doesn't consume time since its actually a skill applied to a technique used at the same time.
Note: Usable 4 times per battle

Now this is my first time actually analyzing the potential for this technique. First question I'm going to ask you is:

Do you believe the scope of this technique is simply turning intangible elements tangible and visa-versa or is there a larger scale? Explain.
A larger scale. The notion of transforming the elements between tangible and intangible reminds me a bit of the lightning Akatsuki ring, which can alter a lightning technique to give it laser, spread, or "solid" properties, but I think it'd go beyond just that. Yin Release is the energy that governs imagination and bringing it to actual form, so I'd say this jutsu would follow that principle exactly in bringing whatever the user can imagine to the technique's physical properties, like size, temperature, density, color, sound, etc.
 
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