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Hey what ur saying however I disagree with sweet commanders being > doffy because they r on Yonko commander level which is what he's on
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People need to really stop this notion that if your a commander of a yonko your an unstoppable monster doffy would defeat any of the sweet commanders we have seen so far. He was a monster at full health no law to help luffy's gear 4 attack I honestly believe doffy would've tanked he broke out of Aokiji's ice with having any damage without hesitation he was ready to go toe to toe with fujitora. And was able to stop diamond Jozu in his tracks effortlessly and he was also a yonko commander. Doffy is on an entirely different level. I believe sanji will defeat katakuri 1v1 strongest commander or not nothing of his new world ability has been seen and the next arc is a direct war against the beast pirate where he will have no choice but to defeat a commander so he's definitely capable of doing it now.
I'm not one of those that belive Doffy is below a commander. I was just pointing out that most people I talk to seem to think this. He is definitely on par with all of them if not greater. I mean he took on Law and Luffy and technically won if it wasn't for plot armor.
Katakuri would shit on Doflamingo, period. That's not up for debate.
Cracker vs Doflamingo is debateable, and even that Cracker might be the stronger of the two. Katakuri who by all means is stronger than Cracker, until shown otherwise takes a shit on Doflamingo.
Yonkou commander, no Yonkou commander, doesn't matter.
Cracker vs Doflamingo is debateable, and even that Cracker might be the stronger of the two. Katakuri who by all means is stronger than Cracker, until shown otherwise takes a shit on Doflamingo.
Yonkou commander, no Yonkou commander, doesn't matter.
You can't be serious you have seen anything from katakuri or cracker that would even slightly imply that they are stronger then doflamingo cracker couldn't take one gear 4 attack and his army couldn't really stand up to gear 4 either doflamingo was having his organs ripped apart from the inside and was tanking gear 4 attacks while fighting 2 supernovas and the warriors from the colosseum. All you know about katakuri is that he has extraordinary observation Haki but that means nothing if you don't have the speed and reflexes to do anything even Rayleigh said that luffy when he was training him. Katakuri has no serious feat to make you believe he is over doffy just his title on a specific crew make you believe that which is kind of ridiculous.
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For the Doffy argument let's consider this;
How well would X do against Law and Luffy? Do you think Cracker would do as well or better against Luffy & Law than Doffy did? Law would essentially be able to remove the threat of the clones with his room I would think and we saw Cracker didn't take much to go down once he was actually touched. The only real advantage Cracker would have are his biscuit shields but we can't really say for sure Doffy couldn't break one with an overheat or an awakening attack just because we saw G4 break one that doesn't mean that's all that can break it.
How well would X do against Law and Luffy? Do you think Cracker would do as well or better against Luffy & Law than Doffy did? Law would essentially be able to remove the threat of the clones with his room I would think and we saw Cracker didn't take much to go down once he was actually touched. The only real advantage Cracker would have are his biscuit shields but we can't really say for sure Doffy couldn't break one with an overheat or an awakening attack just because we saw G4 break one that doesn't mean that's all that can break it.
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If you want to make a move on Scarlett it might help your chances if you don't mess up both her first and last name.
I wonder though I think Sanji will be Yonkou commander level earlier, maybe even by the end of the series, than you losing your virginity.
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Honestly has nothing to do with zoro lol
Just that doffy is getting that Villian treatment that once he's done everyone > him (btw he's not done story wise we never found out what he has overthe government so tbh like croc lucci and potentially enel the fact that doffy is important villian and with oda writing patterns he will be back)
Now I'm not saying Katakuri is without a doubt weaker then doffy because I honestly don't think that I think Katakuri is big moms marco so I def see him taking out doffy but with at least high diff they are in same calibur of fighter level just Katakuri being little higher because first mate status (if he is)
But all these guys are telling me that in order for you to be able doffy u have to shoot a pea at a fodder and then I quote "shit on doffy"
Also have really cool obersvation Haki not the best (that title goes to Fuji idc what anyone says )
U know who that reminds me of hmmm.. ussop:|
Because tech Katakuri feat has been done by ussop before (whether cannons peas etc pepper balls)
I will say Katakuri stealth level is crazy tho that's cool
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He's obviously still relevant since he's still brought up, and not just by his fans.
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Katakuri being a sweet commander alone puts him on the same level as Cracker at least. Cracker himself is someone who could hold off G4. There is no logical reason to think that Sanji can take this guy in a 1v1. Its almost insane.
"Luffy is strong enough to beat a yonko"
"Zoro is strong enough to beat an admiral"
"Sanji is strong enough to beat a yonko commander"
Dear lord just noticed that there is a pattern here.....
"Luffy is strong enough to beat a yonko"
"Zoro is strong enough to beat an admiral"
"Sanji is strong enough to beat a yonko commander"
Dear lord just noticed that there is a pattern here.....
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Do we have evidence that every sweet commander is close enough to each other that being unable to beat one means you can't beat any of the others?
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Well I get your point, Doffy's top executives being a perfect example on how top subordinates can fluctuate in strength, the yonko commanders however, never gave off the vibe.
-Seeing Base Jack, who's title puts on the same level as Doflamingo at least, rampage on Zou for 5 days straight without getting scrtaches by Neko or Inu.
-Jozu being able to easily tussle with Aokiji
-Vista being able to easily tussle with Mihawk
-Ace being able to counter Aokiji's attack as it was coming at him
All top yonko commanders we've in action have been impressive. There is more reason to think Katakuri is strong like Cracker & not weaker than him, as we have no real reason to think that.
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I disagree. We've seen large gaps in strength between Yonko commanders.
Marco was able to hold his own against Akainu, but Curiel, another Commander of the same crew, was mowed down by Akainu off-panel. Jozu was restrained easily and subdued completely by Doflamingo. Ace was one-shot by Akainu. Ace was also handily defeated by Teach. Going back to Jozu, he was once again portrayed as inferior to Doflamingo when the latter broke out of being frozen while Jozu was helpless once he was frozen, even losing an arm.
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Well yeah but there are some extra details. Marco held his own against Akainu but could anything to him. Marco also held his own against Kizaru & kicked Aokiji via sneak attack. Jozu made Aokij bleed via sneak attack & could hold his own without getting hit. Jozu lost the way he did because he got distracted. Jozu being stopped by Mingo doesn't hurt him as Doffy himself can tussle with yonko commanders. Ace lost high diff to Teach who could take attacks from WB & Sengoku.
Ace's powers are useless against Akainu. He might as well fight Akainu with his normal body so against Akainu, Ace is one shot material.