3rd Raikage v Gai

[Booker]

Location: War Arc Battlefield

Distance: 100 meters

Restrictions: 8th Gate is restricted to no special techniques (ie Evening Elephant)

Intel: Full.

For the purposes of this fight, 8th Gate Gai dying doesn't constitute a tie.

EDIT:

Two scenarios: Scenario 1 Gai is restricted to 7th Gate. Scenario 2, he is allowed 8th Gate.

 

[Mellanoma]

can 8 gate punch break raikages tank?

Scenario 1) Gai not strong enough to break his tank

Scenario 2) Can 8 gate attack break his tank? If so Gai wins

 

[Beans2]

Gai with 8th Gate biitch slaps Raikage and takes his head off. He loses w/o 8th Gate though.

 

[Booker]

Updated so there can be two different scenarios.

 

[Zexion~]

Hirudora is probably > FRS in terms of destruction capability (external damage) idk if it would break the 3rd though.

 

[Antdog]

Gai doesn't have what it takes to put down the Sandaime for good so Gai is gonna tire himself out by using the gates and eventually the Sandaime is gonna finger Gai to death

 

[KidGamer65]

Gai loses in both scenarios. Hirudora is 7G Gai's strongest tech and it's at best on par or a little stronger than FRS which did nothing to the Raikage. Ay III eats up his hits and kills him once he drops the 7th Gate. Same happens with the Eighth Gate since he can't use any special techniques, and because his regular punches are not stronger than FRS.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Gai loses in both scenarios. Hirudora is 7G Gai's strongest tech and it's at best on par or a little stronger than FRS which did nothing to the Raikage. Ay III eats up his hits and kills him once he drops the 7th Gate. Same happens with the Eighth Gate since he can't use any special techniques, and because his regular punches are not stronger than FRS.

pretty much this gai does not have the fighting power to break the 3rds defense without his special techs

and def does not have the stamina or chakra reserves to outlast the 3rd (especially using the gates)

 

[AlphaMaleLion]

8TH GATE is OP, but Gai loses if he use that because he would die. 7th gate would win, so he would win with high ass injuries

 

[Warlocks]

s1: 7th Gate loss high dif
s2: 8th Gate win low dif

 

[Beans2]

Gai loses in both scenarios. Hirudora is 7G Gai's strongest tech and it's at best on par or a little stronger than FRS which did nothing to the Raikage. Ay III eats up his hits and kills him once he drops the 7th Gate. Same happens with the Eighth Gate since he can't use any special techniques, and because his regular punches are not stronger than FRS.

Would being in the 8th gate not logically make Gai's Hirudora stronger?

 

[KidGamer65]

Would being in the 8th gate not logically make Gai's Hirudora stronger?

Considering it doesn't have anything to do with physical strength I don't see why it should.

 

[adeshina365]

Considering it doesn't have anything to do with physical strength I don't see why it should.

LOL

More physical strength = increasing pressure differential (i.e. stronger hirudora)

The pressure is generated by a physical movement. Morning peacock (frictional), hirudora and evening elephant operate on the same principles.

 

[KidGamer65]

LOL

More physical strength = increasing pressure differential (i.e. stronger hirudora)

The pressure is generated by a physical movement. Morning peacock (frictional), hirudora and evening elephant operate on the same principles.

No, it's not. :lol Gai makes a hand sign and then the

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The things I see people try to argue...:lol Don't form a conclusion based on OTHER techniques when we aren't talking about other techniques. We are talking about Hirudora. Evening Elephant and Asa Kujaku are attacks were Gai is literally punching the opponent. Hirudora isn't. Gai didn't have enough energy to stand yet he formed a Hirudora that was able to blow Madara's Susanoo back god knows how many several dozen meters. Do you think that's Gai's physical strength? No, it's not.

Please don't try to argue otherwise.

 

[Byakuren]

I don't see how 7th Gate Gai gets passed 3rd Raikage's durability. If 8th Gate is allowed then he wins though.

 

[adeshina365]

No, it's not. :lol Gai makes a hand sign and then the

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The things I see people try to argue...:lol Don't form a conclusion based on OTHER techniques when we aren't talking about other techniques. We are talking about Hirudora. Evening Elephant and Asa Kujaku are attacks were Gai is literally punching the opponent. Hirudora isn't. Gai didn't have enough energy to stand yet he formed a Hirudora that was able to blow Madara's Susanoo back god knows how many several dozen meters. Do you think that's Gai's physical strength? No, it's not.

Please don't try to argue otherwise.

I acknowledge that I was wrong, thanks for the correction.

Also do you acknowledge now that there is no conclusive proof that hirudora broke Madara's Susanoo?

 

[Beans2]

Considering it doesn't have anything to do with physical strength I don't see why it should.

But if Hirudora is a taijutsu is that not by definition tied to physical strength
We've had this exact same discussion before and I never understood your point and never thought it made sense that a taijutsu needed a hand seal. I thought hirudora was just a punch which created air pressure.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

I acknowledge that I was wrong, thanks for the correction.

Also do you acknowledge now that there is no conclusive proof that hirudora broke Madara's Susanoo?

Susanoo disappeared, Mokuton pressure on Gyuuki was gone and Madara was on the ground. Yes there is huge proof that it broke Susanoo. Stop being idiot .

 

[KidGamer65]

But if Hirudora is a taijutsu is that not by definition tied to physical strength
We've had this exact same discussion before and I never understood your point and never thought it made sense that a taijutsu needed a hand seal. I thought hirudora was just a punch which created air pressure.

Taijutsu are physical skills. Don't necessarily have to be related to the physical strength of the user. Kaguya's Vacuum Fists are Taijutsu for example. When Gai uses Hirudora he makes the hand sign as shown above and then the air pressure forms. Not sure why the hand signs causes it to form but that's what happened so I guess that's how the tech works. Hirudora was only stated to be in itself a fast punch, not that it is created by a fast punch cause we can clearly see that it isn't created by a punch.

I acknowledge that I was wrong, thanks for the correction.

Also do you acknowledge now that there is no conclusive proof that hirudora broke Madara's Susanoo?

No, there isn't conclusive proof. That's always been true. There's just compelling evidence that it was.

 

[Booker]

No, it's not. :lol Gai makes a hand sign and then the

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The things I see people try to argue...:lol Don't form a conclusion based on OTHER techniques when we aren't talking about other techniques. We are talking about Hirudora. Evening Elephant and Asa Kujaku are attacks were Gai is literally punching the opponent. Hirudora isn't. Gai didn't have enough energy to stand yet he formed a Hirudora that was able to blow Madara's Susanoo back god knows how many several dozen meters. Do you think that's Gai's physical strength? No, it's not.

Please don't try to argue otherwise.

It appears in that scan that Gai thrusted one of his arms forward to produce the Hirudora.

look at his tiny self, his right arm is clearly not in the position it was before, and it looks like it was thrusted forward. The way I see it is that it's not actually a hand seal, Gai uses his left hand to brace his right, and then to make the Hirudora he uses that brace in conjunction with the arm thrust.

Otherwise it just becomes a Pseudo-Ninjutsu, which doesn't make any sense. The whole point of Hirudora is that it contains no chakra.