3t Madara vs Edo Hiruzen

[The Messiah]

Location: Hiruzen vs Oro
Distance: 20 meters
Conditions: Madara is alive
Intel: None
Restrictions: Madara's gunbai, kyuubi, and RDS

 

[Amenotejikara]

 

[The Messiah]

??????

 

[TheLostShinobi]

This isn't as one sided as you think. Madara is alive and doesn't have Perfect Susanoo. Meanwhile, Hiruzen has unlimited chakra for elemental spam and Edo Regeneration

 

[Hakke]

does Madara have any Jutsu to seal Hiruzen ?

 

[The Messiah]

does Madara have any Jutsu to seal Hiruzen ?

I only made Hiruzen edo so he could have better stamina. He can be killed.

 

[Booker]

Don't see how 3T Madara can beat Edo Hiruzen without Susano'o to fall back on.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Don't see how Madara wins this. Unlimited chakra makes Hiruzen too OP, and while he and Madara are likely equals or close to in CQC/tai, Enma would give Hiruzen the leg up as Hiruzen has methods to counter all of Madara's techniques and won't run out of chakra doing so. Hiruzen also can create extremely durable shadow clones, and with his unlimited chakra can make as many as he wants. Sharingan genjutsu won't work on someone with Hiruzen's experience. Unless I'm just blanking on something Madara is capable of, not sure how he'd take this. Hiruzen would just overwhelm him.

 

[Nattana]

Don't see how Madara wins this. Unlimited chakra makes Hiruzen too OP, and while he and Madara are likely equals or close to in CQC/tai, Enma would give Hiruzen the leg up as Hiruzen has methods to counter all of Madara's techniques and won't run out of chakra doing so. Hiruzen also can create extremely durable shadow clones, and with his unlimited chakra can make as many as he wants. Sharingan genjutsu won't work on someone with Hiruzen's experience. Unless I'm just blanking on something Madara is capable of, not sure how he'd take this. Hiruzen would just overwhelm him.

Lol, he couldn't even dispel Bringer of Darkness and you are talking about dispeling Sharingan Genjutsu xD

 

[BLAZE]

Kyuubi blows the shit out of hiruzen

 

[The Messiah]

Kyuubi blows the shit out of hiruzen

I always forget about the kyuubi for some reason. I'm a restrict him.

 

[KidGamer65]

Hiruzen almost stomps him.

-5 elements>>Madara's Katon. Or rather multiple giant Suiton>>>Madara's Katon.

-Hiruzen and Enma>>Madara w/o Gunbai in CQC.

-Shadow Fuhma Shuriken Clone spam is very dangerous for Madara here as well since he has no shield or Gunbai, and his Ninjutsu can easily be overpowered by Hiruzen's own if he tries to use it as a shield.

So yeah, Hiruzen low-mid diff.

 

[BLAZE]

I always forget about the kyuubi for some reason. I'm a restrict him.

madara is totally outclassed against enma;5 elements;multi clones that can use element and all of konaha jutsu that hiruzen has

 

[TheEvilOne]

I agree with KG, Hiruzen wins with mid diff at most.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Hiruzen almost stomps him.

-5 elements>>Madara's Katon. Or rather multiple giant Suiton>>>Madara's Katon.

-Hiruzen and Enma>>Madara w/o Gunbai in CQC.

-Shadow Fuhma Shuriken Clone spam is very dangerous for Madara here as well since he has no shield or Gunbai, and his Ninjutsu can easily be overpowered by Hiruzen's own if he tries to use it as a shield.

So yeah, Hiruzen low-mid diff.

id also give it to hiruzen.

While i don't agree with the bold, madara gets spanked in all the other categories.

madara can try genjutsu him. thats his only option but with clones hiruzen can circumvent that.and beat him in cqc.

 

[KidGamer65]

id also give it to hiruzen.

While i don't agree with the bold, madara gets spanked in all the other categories.

madara can try genjutsu him. thats his only option but with clones hiruzen can circumvent that.and beat him in cqc.

Not seeing how Madara w/ no weapon will take on Hiruzen in close combat and win. He may be physically superior but the lack of a weapon while Hiruzen has an OP is a far greater disadvantage IMO.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Lol, he couldn't even dispel Bringer of Darkness and you are talking about dispeling Sharingan Genjutsu xD

He's not going to get caught in sharingan genjutsu period is my point.

Also trying to compare a genjutsu used by Hashirama to basic 3t Sharingan genjutsu seems awfully silly.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Not seeing how Madara w/ no weapon will take on Hiruzen in close combat and win. He may be physically superior but the lack of a weapon while Hiruzen has an OP is a far greater disadvantage IMO.

no gunbai doesn't mean no shuriken or kunai, and sharingan precog gives him the leg up.

 

[TheEvilOne]

He's not going to get caught in sharingan genjutsu period is my point.

Also trying to compare a genjutsu used by Hashirama to basic 3t Sharingan genjutsu seems awfully silly.

He got caught in a basic genjutsu by someone who isn't even a genjutsu specialist and who had like 0.3553% of his original power, so I have no reason to believe he won't get caught by an Uchiha's genjutsu.

This doesn't change the outcome of the battle tho because Hiruzen has Edo body, so at least 4 shadow clones will aid him right from the start, therefore he can break free.

 

[EliteKakashi]

He got caught in a basic genjutsu by someone who isn't even a genjutsu specialist and who had like 0.3553% of his original power, so I have no reason to believe he won't get caught by an Uchiha's genjutsu.

This doesn't change the outcome of the battle tho because Hiruzen has Edo body, so at least 4 shadow clones will aid him right from the start, therefore he can break free.

Calling it a basic genjutsu is laughable given there's no justification for that statement, but Hiruzen couldn't dispel it(assuming that's even possible with that genjutsu) because he'd already begun Shiki Fuujin after creating two shadow clones. So his chakra was spent, his body was immobilized with summoning the death god, and then after the death god had been summoned, he was on a time limit so it seems rather than waste the time to dispel(assuming that's possible with that genjutsu), he just used his sense of smell and captured both edo kages(since that's something he had to accomplish regardless). Claiming he couldn't dispel it is saying two things: It's possible, which we don't know for sure. And two that he wanted to anyway, given he was on short time and had other methods of stopping the technique.

Being caught by the sharingan genjutsu requires staring an uchiha in the eyes, which if you're going to try and argue Hiruzen is stupid enough to do, there's no reason for us to continue our conversation.