POLL: How to Fix The Kaguya Arc?

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

You're Kishimoto and have foresight and more time to fully realise Kaguya and Black Zetsu as your FV. You want to put in this grand Mother of Chakra concept in but there's already been Obito and possibly Madara, do you go for:

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Scenario 1: Flesh out Kaguya, introduce her myth around the Pain Invasion Arc instead of the Sage of the Six Paths tale. Give her a personality, depth and a more fitting or pacifist ending than just re-sealing her.

Scenario 2: Kaguya is skipped entirely. Ootsutsuki is never brought up, Indra/Asura and Hagoromo forever remain a myth folkstory.

Scenario 3: Madara awakens Kaguya and is possessed by her/BZ. Kaguya is the FV but in the body of Madara to keep things neater and simpler. 2 Villains in 1.

Scenario 4: Obito is the FV and Madara becomes the 10-Tailed Host first. Ootsutsuki is never mentioned.

Scenario 5: Madara is defeated, Sasuke is defeated whilst Zetsu and Kaguya are saved for the post-series material (Naruto Gaiden, Boruto: The Movie etc)

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[Lyke]

Madara as final villain, f kaguya

 

[Styles]

Keep Madara as FV. Or make Kaguya come and have Madara as her sidekick.....tho he'll just be double Rinnegan Madara. That way Sasuke and Madara get more interaction and Kaguya also get shine.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Personally, i'm stuck between Scenario 4 & 5. Kaguya as the villain of the Boruto movie makes a lot of sense in the place of Momoshiki & Kinshiki. You could even use Gaiden to hype Kaguya/BZ and expand on her.

But then again the series is also perfect with Obito as the most relevant, dynamic final villain.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Madara as final villain, f kaguya

Thought-provoking as ever, bro.

 

[123fire]

No one since it was already fixed in the anime with the expanded arcs they gave us

 

[minamoto]

no yutobe vidio

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

no yutobe vidio

Oh dont worry bud i'll fix that one for you

[video=youtube;dQw4w9WgXcQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ[/video]

 

[Made in Heaven]

Kill Obito after Kakashi penetrates him with Raikiri. Don't redeem him. Bastard needs to die a pathetic death worthy of a murderer and war mongerer. Obito was a waste, a mess, and a mistake. Have Madara be revived at that point, devote those 40-50 chapters of Juubito to Juubidara. Revive Kaguya in same manner, this would be more acceptable due to Madara's new panel time. Give Kaguya a backstory and personality to make her sympathetic, I'd imagine something akin to Hinata's, and have her NOT be sealed up, since she has no reason to use the IT if she simply wants to fight Momoshiki/Kinshiki.

 

[minamoto]

Oh dont worry bud i'll fix that one for you

[video=youtube;dQw4w9WgXcQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ[/video]

confirmed rick astley is uzumaki!!

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Kill Obito after Kakashi penetrates him with Raikiri. Don't redeem him. Bastard needs to die a pathetic death worthy of a murderer and war mongerer. Obito was a waste, a mess, and a mistake. Have Madara be revived at that point, devote those 40-50 chapters of Juubito to Juubidara. Revive Kaguya in same manner, this would be more acceptable due to Madara's new panel time. Give Kaguya a backstory and personality to make her sympathetic, I'd imagine something akin to Hinata's, and have her NOT be sealed up, since she has no reason to use the IT if she simply wants to fight Momoshiki/Kinshiki.

If Obito is to be killed then it has to be Sasuke to do it. And then if this happens then you have to zoom straight into the Valley fight with Obito's death as the final straw and motivator for their battle.

IMO Madara is a much worse pick for FV than Obito.

 

[NextGenNinja]

Probably Scenario 1, what do you mean by a "Pacifist" ending? She gets talked no jutsu by naruto?

 

[Made in Heaven]

If Obito is to be killed then it has to be Sasuke to do it. And then if this happens then you have to zoom straight into the Valley fight with Obito's death as the final straw and motivator for their battle.

IMO Madara is a much worse pick for FV than Obito.

Why Sasuke? And why would they need to go straight to the VOTE fight?

To be honest, IT itself would have to be written out of the story to justify the "good guys" winning. Madara was right after all, who is Naruto to mess with people's happiness? Mei goes from being married, her biggest dream, to being an old hag who is still not married. Tsunade goes from having four of her loved ones back in her life to being alone. Kiba goes from being hokage to being a nobody who's jealous of Naruto, Lee gets love, Hinata gets her brother back. And all Naruto can say is "it's just a lie!". As if anyone cares. IT itself needs to not be the motive of Madara and Obito. Heck, I'd be fine with generic goals like Obito simply wanting to kill all Shinobi for always starting wars or something along those lines, and Madara just wanting to rule the world with an iron fist. Better to have bland goals than goals that trump the stupid main character's logic.

Probably Scenario 1, what do you mean by a "Pacifist" ending? She gets talked no jutsu by naruto?

Kaguya being TNJ'd makes FAR more sense than Obito being TNJ'd, by a million fold.

 

[Sauce]

Keep Madara as FV or actually expand on Kaguya instead of throwing her in last minute as a last ditch effort to kill Madara for them.

 

[NextGenNinja]

Kaguya being TNJ'd makes FAR more sense than Obito being TNJ'd, by a million fold.

I usually don't like TNJ, but it might be better than kaguya's anticlimactic end.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

not have it. Keep maddy as FV. Have kaguya replace momoshiki, since by that time both sides (hamura and hagoromo) should be fleshed out properly.

 

[DrProof]

How to fix the entire manga: revert back to Pt.1 power levels.

 

[Nattana]

Keep Kaguya, but completely remove Black Zetsu his assault on Madara. Simply make Kaguya absorb him or some other shit. Also, give Kaguya personality and brain.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Why Sasuke? And why would they need to go straight to the VOTE fight?

To be honest, IT itself would have to be written out of the story to justify the "good guys" winning. Madara was right after all, who is Naruto to mess with people's happiness? Mei goes from being married

Sausage was actually about to do this anyway, it was Kakashi who interrupted him, and then Minato interrupting him. Sasuke and Naruto are both personally linked to Obito, which is why I consider him the most fitting FV. Naruto and the entire alliance has just been inside Obito's head and felt his emotions and memories. They can't forgive him, but they do understand him.

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Post-war over, all that remains is Sasuke's revolution. The first moment of conflict in their victory with be what to do with the renounced defenceless war criminal they have to deal with. This can be the first thing that sparks Sasuke's evil turn and causes VoTE2. Why would Sasuke kill Obito? He's a war criminal. Under Hokage Sasuke's rule this is how things are done. More personally, he slaughtered in the Uchiha Genocide & tried to corrupt Sasuke personally as 'Tobi'

Naruto's empathy and similarity to Obito results in Naruto demanding he be imprisoned. Remember only Naruto can sense evil and that intent isn't there any longer. The suddenness in which Sasuke executes him would then lead to taking the Tailed Beasts.
Just something to give the series a more immediate, well-paced and relevant ending without re-using the boring battlefield 4 FVs back to back.

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And nah, IT was cool but just never done properly. Their desires were shallow and reverted them, it wasn't true happiness. It panders to them like kids, like saying Neo from 'The Matrix' is the villain for resisting being turned into cattle.

Shikamaru for example finds true happiness by taking on the responsibility he's so scared of and becoming a husband, sensei and father- you can see this in post-series stuff.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Even Kaguya is revived I feel like Black Zetsu was set up to be the FV. Zetsu had the most ominous feeling and his character is just too mysterious. Kishi did good job trying to sway everything by focusing on the bigger picture so that would make Zetsu as minor character to make him the least expected. .
The reason why Black Zetsu would've been the better choice as the FV is because he made his first introduction in Valley of the End after Naruto vs Sasuke Clash at the end of Part 1 and since then it was built up to where that NOONE would expect him to be kaguya son reincarnate rather than taking cliche route by reviving the Originator of chakra out of a thin blue.


Kishi should've taken a different approach to where Zetsu becomes a threat after backstabbing Madara and be like Butterfly Aizen with that Golden Byakugan and Sharinnegan or be like Momoshiki as his true identity.

He is the true mastermind afterall.

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I feel like Kaguya should be revived in the movie.