[Discussion] To non-One Piece fans (episode 277)

[ArabianLuffy]

I'm not gonna ask to re-consider watch/re-watch the anime One Piece. I'm gonna ask to watch just episode 277. This episode is the spine. The core of One Piece plot. Probably it will give you idea or two. It may explain to you why we (One Piece fans) continue this series.

- The Void Century of 800 years
- The fallen country from 800 years ago that its name still unknown
- The forbidden language, Poneglyphe
- World Government

Just watch episode 277, please, and let me hear your thoughts.

 

[Caliburn]

It really doesn't make much sense to start watching an anime right in the middle as you can't possibly understand the significance of what is explained exactly in that particular episode if you don't know anything about how the story led up to that point. One of the strong points of OP is that it gives you just enough information at exactly the right time to keep you hungry for more. Frankly what you suggest is the same thing as opening a book in the middle, read one sentence and then based on that one sentence determine whether you want to read the book or not.

Saying that it's the core and the spine of the series is also quite wrong.

 

[Genocide]

It really doesn't make much sense to start watching an anime right in the middle as you can't possibly understand the significance of what is explained exactly in that particular episode if you don't know anything about how the story led up to that point. One of the strong points of OP is that it gives you just enough information at exactly the right time to keep you hungry for more. Frankly what you suggest is the same thing as opening a book in the middle, read one sentence and then based on that one sentence determine whether you want to read the book or not.

Saying that it's the core and the spine of the series is also quite wrong.

you cant really say hes wrong as its subjective not objective

 

[Kushina89]

generic

 

[Caliburn]

you cant really say hes wrong as its subjective not objective

No actually I can as it's not really that much of a subjective statement to say that of an anime that is approaching the 500 episode mark, that the spine of the series is not episode 277 as that implies everything before that was a dud.

Not only did it take a while before we first learned about what is described in that episode, afterwards we only received small bits and pieces of new information and only very recently it was confirmed, despite that obviously it had been theorized, that it's actually important for the main story. Something like that can't possibly be the core of the story as then what the hell is the rest about? It's the opposite as that episode is what supports the core of the story, it's not the core itself and I think there is little doubt here that the spine of this story is Luffy's quest to become the Pirate King. Without that, nothing what is explained in that episode has any value.

 

[Genocide]

No actually I can as it's not really that much of a subjective statement to say that of an anime that is approaching the 500 episode mark, that the spine of the series is not episode 277 as that implies everything before that was a dud.

Not only did it take a while before we first learned about what is described in that episode, afterwards we only received small bits and pieces of new information and only very recently it was confirmed, despite that obviously it had been theorized, that it's actually important for the main story. Something like that can't possibly be the core of the story as then what the hell is the rest about? It's the opposite as that episode is what supports the core of the story, it's not the core itself and I think there is little doubt here that the spine of this story is Luffy's quest to become the Pirate King. Without that, nothing what is explained in that episode has any value.

i havent watched the episode but if his interpretation of the main concepts that constitute one piece vary from yours and what he belives makes one piece great, should you really try and make his ideals change from what he perceives it as?

 

[ArabianLuffy]

@Caliburn: I half agree/disagree with you. Chances that episode 277 may or may not give watcher idea(s) is quite a gamble between you and me. I hope the episode gets others' interest, so they can watch/read it.

 

[Ansatsuken]

I've been long a fan of OP anime

 

[Caliburn]

i havent watched the episode but if his interpretation of the main concepts that constitute one piece vary from yours and what he belives makes one piece great, should you really try and make his ideals change from what he perceives it as?

No that's incorrect. We're not talking here about what exactly makes OP great as there are numerous things that makes this series so great and what we would think to be the most important factor, now that would be subjective. If I say the artwork and he says character development, well then it revolves around personal preferences and those are inherent subjective.

However we are talking here about what is the core of the story, where it all is centered around. Strictly speaking you could drag the whole subjectivism/objectivism argument in here, but that would be like saying that Real Madrid can't play football. It's a subjective opinion, but seriously truthfully they are one of the best teams in the world. You can easily test this as if you remove the core, there is no story. Remove the stuff related to that episode and you still very well have a story. If that episode would be the center of the entire plot, then you need to explain how it took 277 episodes just to get an extremely vague idea and that in the following 200 episodes there was barely any progression. That's essentially admitting that OP consists for 95% out of filler chapters, which is not the case. That episode gives another layer to the story, but it's not center.

@Caliburn: I half agree/disagree with you. Chances that episode 277 may or may not give watcher idea(s) is quite a gamble between you and me. I hope the episode gets others' interest, so they can watch/read it.

Putting aside the whole "core" business, I just think it's misleading. It reminds me of the movie Suicide Squad where the Joker gets massively promoted and then he barely had any scenes or even relevance to the story. Why was he even in there? Many viewers felt duped and some of them undertook legal action. It's the same thing here as that episode is not what I would describe as being a good representative of the OP plot as a whole. It's a flash-back where most of the characters only appear in that flash-back or are side characters in the present, there's only one main character and that one only became a MC after a hundred episodes.

Even if people would be intrigued about it (which is already hard as without prior knowledge it's kinda hard to understand that episode), it would take more than a 100 episodes before the topics that are brought up in that episode are touched for the first time.

 

[Genocide]

No that's incorrect. We're not talking here about what exactly makes OP great as there are numerous things that makes this series so great and what we would think to be the most important factor, now that would be subjective. If I say the artwork and he says character development, well then it revolves around personal preferences and those are inherent subjective.

However we are talking here about what is the core of the story, where it all is centered around. Strictly speaking you could drag the whole subjectivism/objectivism argument in here, but that would be like saying that Real Madrid can't play football. It's a subjective opinion, but seriously truthfully they are one of the best teams in the world. You can easily test this as if you remove the core, there is no story. Remove the stuff related to that episode and you still very well have a story. If that episode would be the center of the entire plot, then you need to explain how it took 277 episodes just to get an extremely vague idea and that in the following 200 episodes there was barely any progression. That's essentially admitting that OP consists for 95% out of filler chapters, which is not the case. That episode gives another layer to the story, but it's not center.



Putting aside the whole "core" business, I just think it's misleading. It reminds me of the movie Suicide Squad where the Joker gets massively promoted and then he barely had any scenes or even relevance to the story. Why was he even in there? Many viewers felt duped and some of them undertook legal action. It's the same thing here as that episode is not what I would describe as being a good representative of the OP plot as a whole. It's a flash-back where most of the characters only appear in that flash-back or are side characters in the present, there's only one main character and that one only became a MC after a hundred episodes.

Even if people would be intrigued about it (which is already hard as without prior knowledge it's kinda hard to understand that episode), it would take more than a 100 episodes before the topics that are brought up in that episode are touched for the first time.

If the thinks episode 277 of one piece represents its concepts then let him, if his perception of the one piece story or how it is constructed differs from yours then that just means his method of thinking differs from you, its really illogical to say 'no thats incorrect' targeted at a completely biased based opinion that you dont share.

 

[7th Biggest OP Fan]

It is a great episode, don't get me wrong, but I feel some may not want to watch one episode in the middle of an arc, in the middle of One Piece.

What I tell a non One Piece fan who is skeptic of OP, I tell them to watch the Episode of Nami special.
It is one of the beginning arcs summarized into a 2 hour special with updated animation.
I then say, if you liked that even a little bit, that is just a small taste of what is to come, like episode 277.

I also came across this video awhile back on the same subject, and I feel his suggestion is valid as well.

[video=youtube;2ZqnC-eVwrE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZqnC-eVwrE[/video]