Sasuke lost to Naruto. However...

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All of Sasuke's powers is dependent on his own chakra and skill

Naruto's comes from a combined effort of him and his Buddy Kurama

This is why its 2v1

But since you are denial here is some manga facts:

btw for the faps that like to compare

Itachi's Eyes to Kurama

When Sasuke runs low on chakra

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When Naruto runs low on chakra

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Feel free to use this when Naruto wankers compare Eyes to a Sentient being lol
Its like crying over what Naruto has but Sasuke doesn't. Then Naruto doesn't have the ability to put 8.5 beasts under his genjutsu, he doesn't have CT, he doesn't have amaterasu, he doesn't have PS. All he has is Kurama and people still cry over it lol.

And even after Sasuke having 8.5 bijuu chakra you're still crying over it.
Sasuke begged Jugo to provide him with CM chakra against Obito.

And even with Kurama Naruto's chakra reserves arent infinite and definitely not more than 8.5 bijuus even if he molds some chakra for Naruto.
 

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I'll just post this again whenever this shit comes up.

Let's take a look through unbiased eyes.

Sasuke's External Powerups:

-Curse Mark: Lost forever.
-Orochimaru Abilities: Lost forever.
-EMS: No proven benefit other than restored eyesight.
-Rinnegan: Unmastered, with a single ability unlike any he has had previously, and a learning curve.

Sasuke's Inherent Powerups:
-Increased Chakra Potency: Uchiha trait.
-3T Sharingan: A given. He was born with it.
-Precognition*: Allows him to see briefly the moves that will come.
-Jutsu Recreation: Only used to copy Lee's speed so far.
-Genjutsu abilities*: Require training.
-MS: Fought for and earned through hardship in battle. Lost forever, replaced by EMS, which is for all intents and purposes, the exact same thing.

Naruto's External Powerups:

-The Kyuubi: So many benefits that they need to be listed as separate abilities (but don't worry, I'm counting them as one, just to give you every single handicap you can get, to prove my point even further):
-A: 1000x chakra of the average Chuunin-Jounin Level Shinobi.
-B*: 1000 years of knowledge used in a multitude of battles. (For fun, let's not even include this benefit)
-B: The Greatest healing factor in the manga, only possibly outclassed by Hashirama's Senjutsu or the Yin Seal.
-C: Complete autonomous control. He can literally take over and fight Naruto's battles for him, body and mind.
-D: The ability to gather massive amounts of senjutsu with the greatest speed and control we've seen in the entirety of the manga.
-E: Chakra potent enough to boost the power of any ability used.
-F: Enhanced physical abilities, to the point that Naruto became faster than Ay without a day's training.
-Red Blood Chakra Cloak: Vast offensive and defensive abilities. Lost, but apparently not forever* (But let's give you the handicap and count it as Lost forever).
-Kyuubi Cloak Mode: Only partially earned, as he was given support by Bee and Kushina, and had Yamato as a fail-safe.
-Bijuu Mode: Increased Speed, Power, Reflexes, and Jutsu strength because of friendship. A handout. (But for fun, let's not even count it.)
-Bijuu Sage Mode: The ability to combine Bijuu Mode with Sage Mode, increasing the power of both. Not a handout, really, just super convenient. (But for fun, let's not even count it.)
-Ichibi: All abilities by request.
-Nibi: All abilities by request.
-Sanbi: All abilities by request.
-Yonbi: All abilities by request.
-Gobi: All abilities by request.
-Rokubi: All abilities by request.
-Shichibi: All abilities by request.
-Hachibi: All abilities by request.
-Six Paths Senjutsu: Innate comprehension of the inner workings of all jutsus. Flight. Increased durability. Increased reflexes. Increased Sensory abilities. Gudoudamas. External regeneration. No training required.

Naruto's Inherent Powerups:

-Increased Vitality/Chakra: Uzumaki trait.


So if my estimates are correct, it seems Sasuke's 4 external handouts edge out Naruto's 11 (Which is really around 17 total, but we're giving you people the biggest handicap here) or Sasuke's 7 (more like 10) total "handouts" also edge out Naruto's 12 (more like 18).

So math's not exactly on your side. But let's count how many Sasuke has at the end of the manga compared to Naruto. Looks like Sasuke lost 2 of his handouts. Seems to put Sasuke at around 4 or 5 (8) compared to the 1 Naruto lost throughout the manga, still leaving him with 10 (17) or 11. Huh.

But wait, with all of those powerups, Naruto must have had to juggle a lot of different abilities and master many different fighting styles, right?

Wrong.

-SM: Physical boost. Bigger Rasengans.
-KCM: Physical boost. Bigger Rasengans.
-BM: Physical boost. Bigger Rasengans.
-BSM: Physical boost. Bigger Rasengans.
-Bijuu Abilities: Physical boost. Bigger Rasengans. All work done by the Bijuu upon request.
-6PSM: Physical boost. Bigger Rasengans. Inherent abilities requiring no training or consciousness.

Whereas Sasuke's abilities...:

-Sharingan: Manipulating Eye Power.
-Curse Mark: Manipulating Bodily Power. Physical Boost.
-Orochimaru's Abilities: Entirely new jutsus. Physical Boost.
-MS: Manipulating Eye Power. Entirely new jutsus.
-EMS: Pretty useless.
-Rinnegan: Manipulating Eye Power. Entirely new jutsus.

And that's not even mentioning the adjustments he would have had to make after switching around his fighting style so many times after each loss or acquisition of power, and fails to get into the fact that Naruto's abilities are vastly superior (every powerup he has acquired has given him offensive and defensive boosts passively, sensory abilities, and a chakra boost, while Sasuke's actually drain his chakra faster and require active use), giving each of his acquired abilities more weight than Sasuke's, but again, we're giving you a handicap here just to prove how ridiculous this argument of yours is.
 

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Its like crying over what Naruto has but Sasuke doesn't. Then Naruto doesn't have the ability to put 8.5 beasts under his genjutsu, he doesn't have CT, he doesn't have amaterasu, he doesn't have PS. All he has is Kurama and people still cry over it lol.

And even after Sasuke having 8.5 bijuu chakra you're still crying over it.
Sasuke begged Jugo to provide him with CM chakra against Obito.

And even with Kurama Naruto's chakra reserves arent infinite and definitely not more than 8.5 bijuus even if he molds some chakra for Naruto.
You are deflecting again.

Also Kurama with a host is far stronger than the other Bijuu lacking host. Especially since Kurama can produce Natural Energy but look. stick to the OP because as every one has stated before Sasuke's abilities is dependent on his own skill and chakra.

Naruto's isn't
 

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Its like crying over what Naruto has but Sasuke doesn't. Then Naruto doesn't have the ability to put 8.5 beasts under his genjutsu, he doesn't have CT, he doesn't have amaterasu, he doesn't have PS. All he has is Kurama and people still cry over it lol.

And even after Sasuke having 8.5 bijuu chakra you're still crying over it.
Sasuke begged Jugo to provide him with CM chakra against Obito.

And even with Kurama Naruto's chakra reserves arent infinite and definitely not more than 8.5 bijuus even if he molds some chakra for Naruto.
Sasuke didn't beg anything he asked.

Sasuke body is compatible with curse mark and even then as his only real powerup it was taken away.

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Sasuke can access Jugo's senjutsu at will since it's one in the same and he's comparable.

As he said:

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- Did Naruto have to train to learn how to fly? Or did he just do it perfectly once he was aware that he could? Universal Comprehension of All things give the user instant mastery, not instant knowledge.

- PS seems to be possible through Rinnegan due to the increase of chakra levels. Improvements, not instant mastery.

- Sasuke also fought Kaguya offscreen whilst Naruto chatted with Obito. By the end of the battle his left eye actually bled from overuse. The Biju's power can be used for the users own techniques. So just because he didn't use their special traits doesn't mean he didn't use their power. For example, Sasuke used their chakra to form his Lightning.
No he didn't but as you said instant mastery and not knoledge, then Naruto first needs to have the knowledge that he has an ability before he could even use them and that's the point. Naruto too didn't have knowledge of all his abilities.

By the time Naruto and Sasuke beat JJ Obito, Sasuke ahd achieved PS and not after gaining rinnegan.

Sasuke mostly struggled against Kaguya and it was only for a short time since Naruto entered the battle after Obito's disintegration which didn't take very long and slashed off Kaguya's arm along with BZ and immobilized BZ at the same time. Agreed he used the other bijuu's remenant chakra too which eventually did run out but he didn't use the bijuu special abilities against Sasuke as he was holding back.
 

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Lol ikr if he did the bijuu's would have went to sleep. Even then it would have been impossible the bijuu's was already low on chakra which was why Kaguya needed to take chakra from people inside IT. Sasuke used only portions of the bijuu's chakra and everyone wanna say he used all of it.

That moment when he was using the bijuu's chakra to actually have that mode on. Plus the TSB. He was using their chakra just not their abilities.
Nope. No one of bijuu has lighting, yang and yin release which are a part of TSB. Also Ashura has similar mode and in canon he never was jinchuuriki.
 

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You are deflecting again.

Also Kurama with a host is far stronger than the other Bijuu lacking host. Especially since Kurama can produce Natural Energy but look. stick to the OP because as every one has stated before Sasuke's abilities is dependent on his own skill and chakra.

Naruto's isn't
Kurama with host who has gained control over Kurama. Naruto didn't get free control over Kurama, he earned it. Sasuke's abilities is dependent on his own skill, Oro drugs, Itachi's eyes, Hashi DNA and Rikudou chakra.

Yep Naruto's chakra ain't infinite.

Sasuke didn't beg anything he asked.

Sasuke body is compatible with curse mark and even then as his only real powerup it was taken away.

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Sasuke can access Jugo's senjutsu at will since it's one in the same and he's comparable.

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I know that already, why else would he beg if he weren't compatible.
 

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Naruto didn't get free control over Kurama, he earned it.
With the help of his mommy, Bee, the Hachibi, and Yamato on standby. Sure.

Oro drugs
Manga speculation.

Itachi's eyes
Don't actually do anything.

Hashi DNA
Doesn't actually do anything.

and Rikudou chakra.
Just like Naruto.

It's really pathetic that you have to make up evidence to support your claims.
 

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Nope. No one of bijuu has lighting, yang and yin release which are a part of TSB. Also Ashura has similar mode and in canon he never was jinchuuriki.
You do know how you gain TSB right? Naruto got his from all of the bijuu's(KKG) Naruto also don't have yin yang release DB said he's only a yang user.

Ashura had a similar mode but we also don't know if it was TSB but we also know that Hagoromo left Ashura all of his powers meaning all the power he had prior and the power he kept after being Juubi jin.
 

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With the help of his mommy, Bee, the Hachibi, and Yamato on standby. Sure.
Manga speculation.
Don't actually do anything.
Doesn't actually do anything.
Just like Naruto.
It's really pathetic that you have to make up evidence to support your claims.
Not talking about him achieving KCM but BSM. But even for KCM he put his efforts unlike Sasuke who just got a free pair of eyes.
Only Sausage fap would call it manga speculation.
So EMS is nothing...
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Hashi DNA saved his life for sure, helped him awaken the rinnegan.
Yes rikudou chakra just like Naruto.
Unlike you I don't need to make up any evidence. Its already in the manga...:salt::salt:
 

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Not talking about him achieving KCM but BSM. But even for KCM he put his efforts unlike Sasuke who just got a free pair of eyes.
Only Sausage fap would call it manga speculation.
So EMS is nothing...
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Saved his life for sure, helped him awaken the rinnegan.
Yes just like Naruto.
Unlike you I don't need to make up any evidence. Its already in the manga...:salt::salt:
BM wasn't a free handout? Are you retarded? They're buddies so he handed him everything he had. Wow, such hard work.

Show me a manga scan of Sasuke doing drugs. I'll wait.

Show me a manga scan of EMS doing anything. I'll wait. Prove to me it's more than a fancy pair of glasses right now. Anything quantifiable, or you've proven again that you're nothing but a dickriding moron.

At least Michael was intelligent enough about this shit.
 
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BM wasn't a free handout? Are you retarded? They're buddies so he handed him everything he had. Wow, such hard work.

Show me a manga scan of Sasuke doing drugs. I'll wait.

Show me a manga scan of EMS doing anything. I'll wait. Prove to me it's more than a fancy pair of glasses right now. Anything quantifiable, or you've proven again that you're nothing but a dickriding moron.

At least Michael was intelligent enough about this shit.
Kurama didn't become Naruto's buddy automatically, it was Naruto's hard work and personality that made Kurama give up his hatred.
As I already said if you need scan then go read the manga without your fapboy goggles and you'll see it all. Cuz even if I give scans, you'll always comeback with more of your garbage fanfics to deny that.

@Bold Then why don't you take your intelligent self elsewhere..:th:
 

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Kurama didn't become Naruto's buddy automatically, it was Naruto's hard work and personality that made Kurama give up his hatred.
As I already said if you need scan then go read the manga without your fapboy goggles and you'll see it all. Cuz even if I give scans, you'll always comeback with more of your garbage fanfics to deny that.

@Bold Then why don't you take your intelligent self elsewhere..:th:
-If you and Naruto have anything in common, it's that you know being yourself is really hard work. You're right on that one.

-So no scans for either claim? I guess you concede those points then. Good to see that you know when to stop using fanfics and speculation as actual manga facts.
 

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-If you and Naruto have anything in common, it's that you know being yourself is really hard work. You're right on that one.

-So no scans for either claim? I guess you concede those points then. Good to see that you know when to stop using fanfics and speculation as actual manga facts.
I always felt that about Sausage faps. They never stop with their fanfics and even deny what their fave says lol so that they don't have to concede.

I already gave you a scan of what Sasuke said after gaining EMS and you brought in your garbage counter to that. Why would I bother looking for more scans for fap who can't even understand the obvious and comes back with more of his non sense.

Times like these where I'm thankful that Boruto didn't inherit Kurama XD
Indeed.
 

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I already gave you direct scan of what Sasuke said after gaining EMS and you brough in your garbage counter to that why would I bother looking for more scans for fap who can't even understand the obvious and comes back with more of his non sense.
Because there is no evidence of these claims. That's what manga scans are for.

Kiba can say he's stronger than Naruto all day, but I know for ****ing sure you people aren't going to take that one at face value, so why should I?

If Itachi's eyes gave him so much power that you morons can compare it to an infinite chakra demon, it must be easy to find a scan to prove what powers it gave him. So run along and find me one.
 
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