Sasuke lost to Naruto. However...

[Mellanoma]

Most will disagree but the last fight cleary showed us that Kurama was doing MORE work than Naruto... Naruto was only throwing Jutsu and carelessly fighting. Kurama was the one molding the Natural Energy AND supplying the chakra for Naruto. The fact that Naruto has had to recharge two times in this fight instead of going off his own power is just sad...... Sasuke is clearly superior to him.

Anyways...

Kurama shielding Naruto with SAGE energy:

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Kurama giving Naruto a free supply Nature energy and chakra

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Kurama giving Naruto YET another free supply of Chakra but intercepted

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It's crazy that after 2 Free full chakra/Energy power boost Sasuke is still better than Naruto in the fight


People may disagree and argue that Sasuke is using tailed beast chakra but the fact remains that Kurama is actually doing MORE work than Naruto and is working as a partner in a 2v1 more than just a chakra battery.

People also forget that Sasuke must control the tailed beast which takes a lot of energy as noted with Obito.

In a situation like this Sasuke still tied Naruto however he admitted he lost out of humility.


Thoughts?

 

[Styles]

Well it was a draw. Naruto did not win that fight Kishi made that clear on all levels. But overall imagine if Sasuke had a Bijuu helping him and supplying chakra for him.

 

[Mellanoma]

Well it was a draw. Naruto did not win that fight Kishi made that clear on all levels.

Right this is why i said Sasuke was humble in saying he lost. Even after all the power boost WELL after sasuke chakra from the tailed beast expired Naruto Partner kept helping him.

Truly a 2v1

 

[lndra]

Why do I feel like everyone is under the impression that Kurama gives Naruto chakra, and then he can use it willingly without any work at all?

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Yes, Kurama is Naruto's main source of a power. He is a Jinchuriki, but it goes both ways. Naruto has to be able to control the power, and he is usually the one molding the chakra after receiving it (or in this case, the Natural Energy) converting it into an actual jutsu.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Good points.

Here's a few more.

- The battle only ended as a draw because he was restricted from ultlizing his abilties and skills to his full advantage. For example, he didn't have his sword.

- Naruto's Sage power up came with the "Universal Comprehension".

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Sasuke didn't recieve instant mastery of his abilities and had to learn & develop them through battle & training.

The Kyuubi stated that they were lucky Sasuke was new to the Rinnegan because he couldn't absorb chakra (Rasengan) whilst having his own technique activated (Chidori). This applies to any other technique at any given point in the battle. Sasuke couldn't use Preta Path to it's full potential/to his full advantage. Extracting the Bijuus' chakra made up for the lack of Preta Path.

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- ^The Kyuubi actually passed out from helping Naruto so much. So he tied with Naruto and defeated the beast.

- And Sasuke only took a portion of the Biju's chakra, which was after they were used throughout the war by multiple people. Madara for example casted the Infinite Tsukuyomi on the entire world. By the time he got to them they may have had 20% of their original power left.

He needed to conserve their power to end the Infinite Tsukuyomi which he plan on doing right after eliminating Naruto.

- Also, notice how Naruto how Naruto needed to train to learn/master the RasenShuriken & Bijuudama, yet during the battle against Sasuke he was easily able to wield a normal Bijuudama & a Bijuudama RasenShuriken formed with all the NE aboveground/Senjutsu.

He was able to do so due to recieving the Universal Comprehension of all things.

Why do I feel like everyone is under the impression that Kurama gives Naruto chakra, and then he can use it willingly without any work at all?

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Yes, Kurama is Naruto's main source of a power. He is a Jinchuriki, but it goes both ways. Naruto has to be able to control the power, and he is usually the one molding the chakra after receiving it (or in this case, the Natural Energy) converting it into an actual jutsu.

That panel is with KCM, when Naruto didn't have the Kyuubi's cooperation. Their powers fused with BM. That was clearly showed when he first achieved the mode.

 

[The Necromancer]

Well it was a draw. Naruto did not win that fight Kishi made that clear on all levels. But overall imagine if Sasuke had a Bijuu helping him and supplying chakra for him.

Not even that, imagine if Sasuke used even half of the intelligence he had displayed throughout the manga.

Kishi wrote that the incarnation of spirit and intelligence would fight against the incarnation of bodily power in a head-to-head clash of explosions... what a ****ing stupid move.

There are a dozen different ways even a simple strategy would have ended that fight without a scratch.

Why do I feel like everyone is under the impression that Kurama gives Naruto chakra, and then he can use it willingly without any work at all?

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Yes, Kurama is Naruto's main source of a power. He is a Jinchuriki, but it goes both ways. Naruto has to be able to control the power, and he is usually the one molding the chakra after receiving it (or in this case, the Natural Energy) converting it into an actual jutsu.

That scan was from their clash at the waterfall. After that the Hachibi explains that he shelves his own power and uses the Kyuubi's chakra completely. He doesn't even have access to his own chakra. No chakra = no conversion. And that's even before the Kyuubi became his best bud and started giving him powers for free.

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[Warlocks]

Right this is why i said Sasuke was humble in saying he lost. Even after all the power boost WELL after sasuke chakra from the tailed beast expired Naruto Partner kept helping him.

Truly a 2v11

add this

 

[take it easy]

He fought more time than Sasuke

Used more chakra than Sasuke (that includes his own chakra)

To the point that Kurama even said that war arc drained his own chakra pool

Kishi clearly showed us that Sasuke just cant be on Narutos level without temporary bijuu power up.=D
Even with them,he lost to tired Naruto but i guess its typical SasukeBase state of denial and butthurt.

 

[Lyke]

The fight was Naruto + kurama vs sasuke

Sasuke solos

 

[The Necromancer]

He fought more time than Sasuke

Used more chakra than Sasuke (that includes his own chakra)

To the point that Kurama even said that war arc drained his own chakra pool

Kishi clearly showed us that Sasuke just cant be on Narutos level without temporary bijuu power up.=D
Even with them,he lost to tired Naruto but i guess its typical SasukeBase state of denial and butthurt.

You're right. Naruto with at least 1000x more chakra than Sasuke fought maybe 2x as much, and ended up in the same state. What a hero.

 

[UnknownJin]

.................... :elmo:

fodderz brate...

 

[Yang release]

And Sasuke also used his Borrowed Rinnegan like wtf , even if Naruto wanted to get of the nine tails he would die .

 

[lndra]

That scan was from their clash at the waterfall. After that the Hachibi explains that he shelves his own power and uses the Kyuubi's chakra completely. He doesn't even have access to his own chakra. No chakra = no conversion. And that's even before the Kyuubi became his best bud and started giving him powers for free.

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That panel is with KCM, when Naruto didn't have the Kyuubi's cooperation. Their powers fused with BM. That was clearly showed when he first achieved the mode.

To be totally honest I don't see this as a negative at all for the argument's sake. In Bijuu Mode, Kurama is taking Naruto's chakra, and Naruto is taking Kurama's chakra. But they still respectfully need each other's powers in correspondence to Naruto just being handed everything on a plate to him without having to work at all.

Is that still bad?

 

[Esdez]

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[Naruto X Hunter]

He fought more time than Sasuke

Used more chakra than Sasuke (that includes his own chakra)

To the point that Kurama even said that war arc drained his own chakra pool

Kishi clearly showed us that Sasuke just cant be on Narutos level without temporary bijuu power up.=D
Even with them,he lost to tired Naruto but i guess its typical SasukeBase state of denial and butthurt.

The chakra they lost before the Sage power up is irrelevant. The Sage replaced and far surpassed any chakra they lost, and their physical condition was recovered aswell. They were both on the verge of death from being owned by Madara, then were healed by others.

Besides, whose chakra was Naruto using throughout the war before meeting The Sage? The Yang Kyuubi, who was replaced by the Yin Kyuubi. Plus upon meeting the Sage Naruto gained access and began using the chakra he recieved from all the Bijuu. Furthermore, the Yang Kyuubi's chakra was shown to heal Naruto several times in Part One, from using just a small portion of his power. Chapter 11 against the Demon Mist Brothers, 29 against Haku, 103 against Neji, 228 against Sasuke. Yet a Naruto who had access to a portion of the Yang Kyuubi's chakra - KCM, then all of it - BM, wasn't healed?

 

[The Necromancer]

To be totally honest I don't see this as a negative at all for the argument's sake. In Bijuu Mode, Kurama is taking Naruto's chakra, and Naruto is taking Kurama's chakra. But they still respectfully need each other's powers in correspondence to Naruto just being handed everything on a plate to him without having to work at all.

What I was implying was that Naruto didn't have to convert the Kyuubi chakra at all. He just picked it up and used it. Your scan was only relevant to their battle of wills in Naruto's mind.

Besides that, it's already shown that the Kyuubi stopped absorbing Naruto's chakra almost less than 20 minutes after he first used KCM, so that's pretty irrelevant anyway. And even if he hadn't, by the time they started using BM, the chakra he took would have been given back to Naruto anyway, so who cares?

 

[Styles]

Right this is why i said Sasuke was humble in saying he lost. Even after all the power boost WELL after sasuke chakra from the tailed beast expired Naruto Partner kept helping him.

Truly a 2v1

True. Even tho Naruto and Kurama are connected he still have to ask for his chakra. The other bijuu's as well.

Not even that, imagine if Sasuke used even half of the intelligence he had displayed throughout the manga.

Kishi wrote that the incarnation of spirit and intelligence would fight against the incarnation of bodily power in a head-to-head clash of explosions... what a ****ing stupid move.

There are a dozen different ways even a simple strategy would have ended that fight without a scratch.



That scan was from their clash at the waterfall. After that the Hachibi explains that he shelves his own power and uses the Kyuubi's chakra completely. He doesn't even have access to his own chakra. No chakra = no conversion. And that's even before the Kyuubi became his best bud and started giving him powers for free.

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True i've never seen anyone go from strategic fights and out smarting their opponents to thinking they can match big bang for big bang. Kishi knows Sasuke isn't a flashy fighter yet made him into a pseudo flashy fighter vs Naruto.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

No matter what you fanboys think, Sasuke admits he lost and that's that.

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[The Necromancer]

No matter what you fanboys think, Sasuke admits he lost and that's that.

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Yup. Because once again, Naruto had the handicap. Sasuke had to kill Naruto, but all Naruto had to do was survive.

He had every handicap possible in the manga, and he still couldn't even do more than tie against the only character to have his powerups taken away.

True i've never seen anyone go from strategic fights and out smarting their opponents to thinking they can match big bang for big bang. Kishi knows Sasuke isn't a flashy fighter yet made him into a pseudo flashy fighter vs Naruto.

It's basically the equivalent of Shikamaru thinking he could beat Kiba by punching him down. It's absurd that such a character was downgraded to such an extent.

 

[take it easy]

You're right. Naruto with at least 1000x more chakra than Sasuke fought maybe 2x as much, and ended up in the same state. What a hero.

Did you forget that Naruto used most of his chakra to protect SA, To give Sasuke power to fight with Kagyua etc. But this only fought maybe 2x as much