can the Hyuga compete with MS Uchiha ?

[Hakke]

Sharingan Genjutsu :

is literally useless against the Byakugan which grants the user X ray 360 degree of vision, meaning that the user can easily avoid eye contact.

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Ametarasu :

it is also useless here, since the Hyugas can emit Chakra from all around their body to block the flames, and they can spin to bounce it back(

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Gentle Fist vs Susanoo :

the gentle fist can destroy any Chakra-based substance as stated by Neji.

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"things made from chakra... will simply be destroyed by putting chakra into them."
"it is all meaningless in front of my "Jyuken" "
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Susanoo is made from Chakra, no ? so the gentle fist would be able to break through it

Lets say that a Hyuga tried to strike a Susanoo with his palm like this (

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and lets not forget that the strongest Gentle Fist technique have demolished the strongest form of Susanoo with low-difficulty

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so.. I can't see why wouldn't the gentle fist be able to break a lower form of Susanoo.

but that's only IF the gentle fist user is fast and reflexive enough to be able to get near Susanoo without getting blitzed, because as you can see here

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Susanoo blitz anything gets near it.

however, can air palm destroy Susanoo or any Chakra based substance like the gentle fist ?

tbh , I am not sure if it is a ranged gentle fist or just an air blown strike. but I would say it is a ranged gentle fist

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"an extremely fast strike with the palm is unleashed after pinpointing an enemy's vital spot. The compressed "vacuum shell" with aspects of Gentle Fist thrust through the enemy's vital spot with tremendous force"

but even with that, some forms of Susanoo has a very thick layer of chakra, so I doubt that air palm would be enough for V4 or even V3 Susanoo (but you can say that it would damage it ), but I think that air fist wall palm might be able to break a V3 Susanoo

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Rotation vs Susanoo :

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that is even bigger in size than V3 Susanoo

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and it was able to bounce a Juubi's hand. the same hand that pushed Kurama (the strongest Bijuu) [

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V4 Susanoo is a stomp, and I definitely not including PS in my argument. so my point is do you think that above average Hyuga can compete with MS users ?

 

[BLAZE]

as i said second coming of the Trap :lol
No wonder i am reading this thread and overrating of the biggest fodder in hyuga clan as having Rikudo tier reflexes in the same day

(A) Compares Tsunade kicks and punches to Neji vs kidomaru.Do i even need to say anything.Competely different style and power


(B)Compares Kaguya's vaccum palm to Hyuga's :lol

1.do you know how much chakra does kaguya has.Did you see the size of her TSB which was far superior to anything JJ or naruto showed
2.Did you see her bones that was piercing right through Perfect Susanoo.normal bones or kimimaro's bones nah
3.She was creating portals to travel to other dimension with ease while it drains even adult sasuke

each of her jutsu is classified kekkei mora and shown far superior to anything hyuga's or anyone have shown

Kaguya's massive vaccum fists never damaged sasuke despite thrashing his PS no reason to believe hyuga's vaccum palm will do something like that to susanoo when kisame easily tanked it

(C) 1.You are comparing 2 different forms of juubi

2.you can clearly see the impact of juubi's tail was inbetween both the rotation along with fact hiashi was in anticlockwise direction neji in clockwise [

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t is also useless here, since the Hyugas can emit Chakra from all around their body to block the flames, and they can spin to repel it back, also in worst scenarios a Hyuga can save himself with One Blow Body

Obviously yes and what happens when the uchiha literally uses the deflected amaterasu to catch the hyuga [

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[Hakke]

as i said second coming of the Trap :lol No wonder i am reading this thread and overrating of the biggest fodder in hyuga clan as having Rikudo tier reflexes in the same day

(A) Compares Tsunade kicks and punches to Neji vs kidomaru.Do i even need to say anything.Competely different style and power

actually I didn't compare the two, I just used it as an example on what would happen if a Hyuga struck Susanoo with his palm. my point was that the outcome would be the same as this (

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@bold I agree. Tsunade's kick is really irrelevant, what relevant is Neji's statement. he simply said that Jyuken can destroy any chakra based substance and Susanoo is a chakra based substance

(B)Compares Kaguya's vaccum palm to Hyuga's :lol

1.do you know how much chakra does kaguya has.Did you see the size of her TSB which was far superior to anything JJ or naruto showed
2.Did you see her bones that was piercing right through Perfect Susanoo.normal bones or kimimaro's bones nah
3.She was creating portals to travel to other dimension with ease while it drains even adult sasuke

each of her jutsu is classified kekkei mora and shown far superior to anything hyuga's or anyone have shown

going by the same logic. V3 Susanoo is nowhere RSM Sasuke PS, right ?

my point was, if the strongest Gentle Fist completely demolished the strongest form of Susanoo. so why can't a weaker version of the Gentle Fist destroy a weaker version of Susanoo ?

Kaguya's massive vaccum fists never damaged sasuke despite thrashing his PS no reason to believe hyuga's vaccum palm will do something like that to susanoo when kisame easily tanked it

because neither Kisame or Sasuke are Chakra-based substance :lol , you said it yourself : "Kaguya's massive vaccum fists never damaged sasuke despite thrashing his PS",

why ? , simply because Kaguya's massive vacuum palm is a Gentle fist technique that destroys anything made from chakra, and Susanoo is made from Chakra so it completely demolished it.

no reason to believe that a weaker version of the gentle fist can't break a weaker version of Susanoo, and no, I am not saying that a mere air fist palm can break through a V3 Susanoo, because V3 Susanoo has a very thick layer of Chakra , but you can say that it would damage it a little , Air Fist Wall Palm might be able to break it tho

(C) 1.You are comparing 2 different forms of juubi

yes , but Rotation have bounced the hand of the stronger version of the Juubi

2.you can clearly see the impact of juubi's tail was inbetween both the rotation along with fact hiashi was in anticlockwise direction neji in clockwise [

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yes, but is V3 Susanoo near half the power of the Juubi's hand ?

also you ignored that Hiashi's Rotation was bigger in size than a V3 Susanoo ,a legged Susanoo is taller than Hiashi's Rotation, but I can't see why this enourmous Rotation wouldn't be able to defend against it

Obviously yes and what happens when the uchiha literally uses the deflected amaterasu to catch the hyuga [

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the MS Uchiha would just keep harming himself and The Hyuga can keep deflecting it back with Rotation, and in worst scenarios he can save himself with One Blow Body. like I said Ametarasu is useless here

 

[TheEvilOne]

Sure.

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actually I didn't compare the two, I just used it as an example on what would happen if a Hyuga struck Susanoo with his palm. my point was that the outcome would be the same as this (

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Palm has literally not shown any feat that it can destroy even a V1 Susanoo[strictly sasuke's which was new] that has tanked
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@bold I agree. Tsunade's kick is really irrelevant, what relevant is Neji's statement. he simply said that Jyuken can destroy any chakra based substance and Susanoo is a chakra based substance

amount of chakra used in palm is meagre compared to that in v1 susanoo
even v1 susanoo's chakra is more potent to CS lvl 2 chakra along with fact far more chakra so its not getting overwhelmed by jyuuken in palm

going by your logic. V3 Susanoo is nowhere RSM Sasuke PS, right ?

same is true for 30% kisame clone being nowhere near uhmm v3
sasuke does not have RSM

my point was, if the strongest Gentle Fist completely demolished the strongest form of Susanoo. so why can't a weaker version of the Gentle Fist destroy a weaker version of Susanoo ?

no reason to believe that a weaker version of the gentle fist can't break a weaker version of Susanoo, and no, I am not saying that a mere air fist palm can break through a V3 Susanoo, but you can say that Air Fist Wall Palm might be able to

what kind of logic is this

hyuga's are not kaguya nor is kaguya hyuga
kaguya has juubi's chakra along with chakra from everyone in IT

compaing sasuke only loses only rikudou chakra while the hyuga you trying to spoonfeed loses juubi's chakra;chakra from all IT victim;the chakra she gained from eating the chakra fruit.There is no comparision

also Uchiha's are said to have inherited stronger chakra hyuga's have not.
Uchiha's chakra is said become more potent with MS hyuga's not.
susanoo actually has feats jyuuken in palm not

because neither Kisame or Sasuke are Chakra-based substance :lol , you said it yourself : "Kaguya's massive vaccum fists never damaged sasuke despite thrashing his PS",

juubi is and its hand is not getting destroyed by either of Hyuugas vaccum palms or kyuubi enhanced vaccum palms
so is kurama and other bijuus does not mean small amount of chakra from hyuga's can destroy them

do you believe they can destroy mokuton stakes that killed neji simply becoz it was made up of chakra.wait they didn't

why ? , simply because Kaguya's massive vacuum palm is a Gentle fist technique that destroys anything made from chakra, and Susanoo is made from Chakra thus it completely demolished it.

kaguya is not hyuga so quit spoon feeding her feats to other chars
her jutsu's are classified kekkei mora unlike either hyuga;naruto;kimimaro or anyone's jutsu

yes , but Rotation have bounced the hand of a stronger version

does not matter you cannot compare the speed and size of hands of one level to other
second case that it was feat of him rotating anti clockwise with neji clockwise deflecting juubi's hand by catching it inbetween both the spin.a single person cannot do it

yes, but is V3 Susanoo near half the power of the Juubi's hand ?
also you ignored that Hiashi Rotation was bigger in size than a V3 Susanoo

why would i ignore it when its best feat is to send some fodders flying away
hiashi cannot keep rotation forever added the fact susanno arrow will oneshot him before he can rotate


also his rotation is not bigger its wider in width

the MS Uchiha would just keep harming himself and The Hyuga can keep deflecting it back with Rotation, and in worst scenarios he can save himself with One Blow Body. like I said Ametarasu is useless here

Casting Amaterasu is not controlling amaterasu
itachi on deathbed after fighting for good amount of time was able to do it so stronger version of him and fresh sasuke can easily replicate the feat
They can's rotate forever.Once their skin comes in contact they would be done within seconds if caster doesn't puts it out

 

[Made in Heaven]

No known Hyuga can compete with an MS user, but talking of the techniques themselves, the Byakugan's abilities far surpass the MS's abilities, assuming the users have the same chakra/speed/stamina, etc.

 

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Palm has literally not shown any feat that it can destroy even a V1 Susanoo[strictly sasuke's which was new] that has tanked Ei's horizontal Chop[

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irrelevant, because it wasn't stated that anyone of them can destroy Chakra based substances, but it was stated that Jyuken can

same is true for 30% kisame clone being nowhere near uhmm v3
sasuke does not have RSM

-30% Kisame is not a Chakra based substance

-true, but he has Rukido chakra which means his Susanoo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> V3

what kind of logic is this

hyuga's are not kaguya nor is kaguya hyuga
kaguya has juubi's chakra along with chakra from everyone in IT

compaing sasuke only loses only rikudou chakra while the hyuga you trying to spoonfeed loses juubi's chakra;chakra from all IT victim;the chakra she gained from eating the chakra fruit.There is no comparision

kaguya is not hyuga so quit spoon feeding her feats to other chars
her jutsu's are classified kekkei mora unlike either oh hyuga;naruto;kimimaro or anyone's jutsu

but her Jutsu is a gentle fist technique, and the Hyuga's Air palm and the Air Fist Wall palm shares the same aspects of her Jutsu,excepts that her Jutsu is far more lethal.

her Jutsu is a Gentle fist technique that destroys any chakra based substance, Susanoo was a chakra based substance the reason she demolished it pretty easily. but I agree, her Chakra reserves was also a big factor

amount of chakra used in palm is meagre compared to that in v1 susanoo
even v1 susanoo's chakra is more potent to CS lvl 2 chakra along with fact far more chakra so its not getting overwhelmed by jyuuken in palm

I agree that a simple air palm would not be enough to overwhelms Susanoo , but you can say that it would damage it , but I can't see why an Air fist wall palm ,a Jutsu that bounced back something a hundred times larger than a V3 Susanoo, wouldn't be enough to destroy it

also if a Hyuga Managed to get near Susanoo, he can just inject a large amount of chakra from his palm to break through it , just like when Neji injected a large amount of Chakra to take the giant spider(

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also Uchiha's are said to have inherited stronger chakra hyuga's have not.
Uchiha's chakra is said become more potent with MS hyuga's not.
susanoo actually has feats jyuuken in palm not

1. evidence..?
2. evidence..?
3. Jyuken can break any chakra based substance

juubi is and its hand is not getting destroyed by either of Hyuugas vaccum palms or kyuubi enhanced vaccum palms
so is kurama and other bijuus does not mean small amount of chakra from hyuga's can destroy them

do you believe they can destroy mokuton stakes that killed neji simply becoz it was made up of chakra.wait they didn't

first the Bijuus are not a Chakra based substance, they are creatures with cells and organs and stuff. heck they even have emotions. Susanoo on the other hand is nothing more than just a Chakra on a form of a warrior .

why would i ignore it when its best feat is to send some fodders flying away
hiashi cannot keep rotation forever added the fact susanno arrow will oneshot him before he can rotate

-an MS user can not keep Susanoo forever ya' know :|

-Hiashi can just slow down the arrow by emitting chakra , then he can just spin to redirect it

Casting Amaterasu is not controlling amaterasu
itachi on deathbed after fighting for good amount of time was able to do it so stronger version of him and fresh sasuke can easily replicate the feat
They can's rotate forever.Once their skin comes in contact they would be done within seconds if caster doesn't puts it out

actually once their skin comes in contact with Ama they can easily save themselves with One Blow Body , can't they ?

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

With enough character development they can. The potential is already there.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

the Hyuuga has every right to be superior than MS users

 

[Hakke]

Sure.

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man, you really hate the Hyuga that much :|

 

[Hakke]

the Hyuuga has every right to be superior than MS users

nah, I doubt that they are superior. but you can say that they would give them a good fight

 

[TheEvilOne]

nah, I doubt that they are superior. but you can say that they would give them a good fight

There was someone ( cough *Draegod* cough ) on this forum who was fanboying them ever harder than you. I had several arguments with him, to the point where I started to hate the Hyuugas. ( especially Neji )

That was a long time ago tho, and I don't hate them anymore, however its still hard for me to defend them, lol.

The problem with your logic is that no Hyuuga in the manga has shown any feats that suggests they can get through the Susanoo. Gentle fist might indeed be a way to bypass it, it might take 1 'poke' to destroy it or it might take a hundred. Without actual feats we don't know how fast this works. The Susanoo is the best defense shown in the manga, only a few characters were able to damage it, and they are all at a level of a Kage or higher.

The Hyuugas had the potential, but Kishi ignored them. Neji for example was a badass as a kid, but after that he became a random fodder who died for the sake of plot. Sad.

 

[Hakke]

There was someone ( cough *Draegod* cough ) on this forum who was fanboying them ever harder than you. I had several arguments with him, to the point where I started to hate the Hyuugas. ( especially Neji )

That was a long time ago tho, and I don't hate them anymore, however its still hard for me to defend them, lol.

Ah I see. Fans usually what makes the characters hated. Some of Sasuke fans can get on my nerves sometimes, but I don't hate him. Heck he is one of my fav lol, and he is way above Neji and I just accept that

but I can't get why would someone hate Neji as a character. Well it is a matters of opinions Lol

The problem with your logic is that no Hyuuga in the manga has shown any feats that suggests they can get through the Susanoo. Gentle fist might indeed be a way to bypass it, it might take 1 'poke' to destroy it or it might take a hundred. Without actual feats we don't know how fast this works. The Susanoo is the best defense shown in the manga, only a few characters were able to damage it, and they are all at a level of a Kage or higher.

The Hyuugas had the potential, but Kishi ignored them. Neji for example was a badass as a kid, but after that he became a random fodder who died for the sake of plot. Sad.

Well my theory was based on one statement from Neji , and that's that the gentle fist can destroy anything made from chakra by simply injecting chakra into it , Susano is made of chakra, no ?
So why wouldn't the gentle fist break through it ? I am not saying that it would completely demolish it, but I am saying that it would break through it the same way Tsunade did. And I am not speaking about a mere poke, but I am speaking about a strike with a palm

But like I said that is only if the Hyuga is fast and reflexive enough to get near Susanoo without getting blitzed, and I doubt air fist palm is enough to break through it, but you can say that it can damage it. Air Fist Wall Palm might break V3 tho.

@bold I know T_T

 

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irrelevant, because it wasn't stated that anyone of them can destroy Chakra based substances, but it was stated that Jyuken can

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Without exception everything exposed to the boil vapor will melt.
The Jutsu is vomited from the mouth like breath, it causes skin, flesh, and blood, to melt. The body melts due to it possessing a powerful acid property. Chakra defense are melted and nullified. In the face of it's power Sasuke's absolute defense Susano'o could not bare it, and it's chakra defense melted.
The walls don't, but the body and sturdy chakra armor melt.

neji's gentle palm with tiny amount of chakra ain't doing shit

-30% Kisame is not a Chakra based substance
-true, but he has Rukido chakra which means his Susanoo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> V3

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but her Jutsu is a gentle fist technique, and the Hyuga's Air palm and the Air Fist Wall palm shares the same aspects of her Jutsu,excepts that her Jutsu is far more lethal.

not just far more lethal but stronger
her own chakra reserves dwarves that of rikudu sasuke.Her chakra is said be on different level than Juubi jin
hogoromo said she was the strongest thing to ever live.
she ate chakra fruit;has juubi inside her along with chakra of all IT victim

she is otsutsuki who are themself shown to be superior to normal hyuga;uchiha or senju etc

her Jutsu is a Gentle fist technique that destroys any chakra based substance, Susanoo was a chakra based substance the reason she demolished it pretty easily. but I agree, her Chakra reserves was also a big factor

yes kaguya's stamina was leaps and bounds above sasuke along with the fact her chakra is far more potent than sasuke

I agree that a simple air palm would not be enough to overwhelms Susanoo , but you can say that it would damage it , but I can't see why an Air fist wall palm ,a Jutsu that bounced back something a hundred times larger than a V3 Susanoo, wouldn't be enough to destroy it

it failed to destroy mokuton stick

also if a Hyuga Managed to get near Susanoo, he can just inject a large amount of chakra from his palm to break through it , just like when Neji injected a large amount of Chakra to take the giant spider(

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Solid chakra that can tank the things i posted which you striked is not equal to a giant spider that is filled with webs

1. evidence..?

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2. evidence..?

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3. Jyuken can break any chakra based substance

does no mean vaccum palm does the same
does not mean small amount of chakra in palm can destroy somthing that can survive chakra melting acid in massive amount for quite some times

first the Bijuus are not a Chakra based substance, they are creatures with cells and organs and stuff. heck they even have emotions. Susanoo on the other hand is nothing more than just a Chakra on a form of a warrior .

they are composed of chakra everything they had is composed of chakra

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the reason they can get sealed inside someone;gedo mezo etc

-an MS user can not keep Susanoo forever ya' know :|

Doesn't need to when it unlike rotation can be kept continiously and be used to attack once rotation ends

-he can just slow down the arrow by emitting chakra , then he can just spin to redirect it

lmao MS Kakashi barely wraped them despite of precog [

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actually once their skin comes in contact with Ama they can easily save themselves with One Blow Body , can't they ?

chakra is gathered to emitted the body keeps burning.It get deflected user focuses it back on opponent who ends up wasting chakra

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

Genjutsu and Amaterasu are useless no one can deny this. But Susanoo gives them victory.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

nah, I doubt that they are superior. but you can say that they would give them a good fight

Superior, potential wise then or maybe drop the superior for good. we'll never know since Kishi never let us. No one is entirely right abiut the Hyuugas

 

[Unorthodox]

No no no.

Terrible comparisons and everything else

Hebi Sasuke beats every hyuuga.

 

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yes and
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Without exception everything exposed to the boil vapor will melt.
The Jutsu is vomited from the mouth like breath, it causes skin, flesh, and blood, to melt. The body melts due to it possessing a powerful acid property. Chakra defense are melted and nullified. In the face of it's power Sasuke's absolute defense Susano'o could not bare it, and it's chakra defense melted.
The walls don't, but the body and sturdy chakra armor melt.

neji's gentle palm with tiny amount of chakra ain't doing shit



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not just far more lethal but stronger
her own chakra reserves dwarves that of rikudu sasuke.Her chakra is said be on different level than Juubi jin
hogoromo said she was the strongest thing to ever live.
she ate chakra fruit;has juubi inside her along with chakra of all IT victim

she is otsutsuki who are themself shown to be superior to normal hyuga;uchiha or senju etc



yes kaguya's stamina was leaps and bounds above sasuke along with the fact her chakra is far more potent than sasuke



it failed to destroy mokuton stick



Solid chakra that can tank the things i posted which you striked is not equal to a giant spider that is filled with webs

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does no mean vaccum palm does the same
does not mean small amount of chakra in palm can destroy somthing that can survive chakra melting acid in massive amount for quite some times



they are composed of chakra everything they had is composed of chakra

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the reason they can get sealed inside someone;gedo mezo etc


Doesn't need to when it unlike rotation can be kept continiously and be used to attack once rotation ends



lmao MS Kakashi barely wraped them despite of precog [

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chakra is gathered to emitted the body keeps burning.It get deflected user focuses it back on opponent who ends up wasting chakra

Wood Style techs aren't like other elements, its specifically pointed out that the element is unique since it converts ones Chakra into life itself. So its not chakra when it is in use.

 

[KidGamer65]

Ha....no. Not a single Hyuga can take on any MS Uchiha shown in this Manga.

 

[NarutoX28]

This is dumb. No they can't, only the Senju could.

We're also told that the Uchihas were a threat to the entirety of Konoha even though it consists of various different clans in addition to the Hyuuga clan. These said Uchiha never had the Mangekyo Sharingan in their possession, so if the Hyuga had these fabricated capabilities, then they would've put an end to the Uchiha's rebellion. This is not the case. They do not have this power of defeating MS Uchiha and if they did, the Uchiha clan would've have been feared as much as they were.