Old Hiruzen takes the Sannin Gauntlet!

[NarutoX28]

I thought it was that his chakra regenerated, not that he had unlimited chakra?

Virtually unlimited since it would replenish to the point where any chakra expended would be negligible.

 

[Zetsu God]

Virtually unlimited since it would replenish to the point where any chakra expended would be negligible.

that's true, but if he's using those techniques all at once, the regeneration wouldn't have had time to kick in right?

 

[NarutoX28]

that's true, but if he's using those techniques all at once, the regeneration wouldn't have had time to kick in right?

I think it would. Edo Tensei have only ran out of chakra twice throughout the war, so the likelihood of Edo Hiruzen losing chakra is very slim.

 

[Tazzilla88]

Lmao not only is Katsuyu not larger than any of Hiruzen's attacks individually, let alone 1, the elemental attacks aren't meant to kill her in one shot. So them not being able to do so doesn't change the outcome. As for what you posted...

But she is unless you want to demonstrate she's not.

1. Tsunade's performance against Madara isn't evidence she evades any and all elemental attacks from Hiruzen. What elemental attack did she even react to and evade against Madara? A bunch of small dragon flames. I don't think I need to show you the difference in scale between that and what Hiruzen can do.

Pretending that Hiruzen has a better ninjutsu than Edo Madara is ridic. Every single attack we saw Edo Madara use was on a different scale. Furthermore with 1/25 of his chakra Madara used a v3 Susanoo with a sharingan genjutsu clearly showcasing his immense power. It is obvious that one Katon was meant for each kage? Why perhaps the technique focuses on power as the databook entry for its singular version mentions.

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Also as the databook entry highlights the compression of chakra being one of the things that make the technique so devastating I'm puzzled by your small claim, as if somehow the size of his katon meant it was less skillful. Comparing CS Oro-Sasuke's usage of the technique to Madara's makes Madara's mastery clear. Not too mention that firing several in succession is considered to be a mastery of the technique, using 5 simultaneously is therefore a magnificent display of power. For some reason though you think AOE means power. When we've witnessed the destructive power of the jutsu and have witnessed that is hot enough to prep Kirin. You can argue that it was blaze release that allowed Sasuke to do it, but the databook directly contradicts that. All of Hiruzen's jutsus fade before anything that Madara did at any point in time. Let's not pretend that Tsunade reacting to a jutsu that needed one hand seal isn't super impressive either, the same jutsu Itachi had some trouble escaping.

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For this feat, you like to argue that Mei didn't respond because she couldn't mold chakra in time. When her cheeks were clearly filled with a suiton. Furthermore it is common knowledge that you mold chakra before you perform hand seals.

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Hand Seals are designed to control the chakra aka shape and elemental manipulation.

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Mei was not shown to have any trouble Moulding her chakra. In fact she was weaving a series of hand signs.

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Therefore she had already moulded enough chakra. As opposed to this panel in which it could be debated that Tsunade was moulding chakra(or was using the last seal from the summoning jutsu) but this argument is only capable of being made because we see only one handseal.

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An obvious display that Mei wouldn't be able to fire off a jutsu that would match Madara's power with a single handseal. However, you suspect she could weave a complex series of hand signs faster than the attack would reach them, given the Itachi scenario, I find that doubtful. Tsunade batting away those Katons is feat of resilience, prowess, and speed.

-If she jumps in the air a clone will flank her.

With what speed feats?

-Punching the ground is useless because a slab of earth that small isn't going to protect her from

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. Come on.

Given the statements surround War arc Sakura's strength Tsunade can obviously create larger slabs of Earth.

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-Cracking the ground under Hiruzen doesn't stop his jutsu and it's a useless strategy unless they are in close range.

These ramparts disagree.

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And given Byakugou Tsunade's strength "cracking the ground under him" will still prove painful.

2. He doesn't need to spam anything to win here. This is like what people do when they argue against Itachi. They use stamina as a copout.

The obvious reason people make the claim is because he must overcome Tsunade's healing whether he is using strategy or not. Because none of his Justus have the raw power to kill her he still need to generate an attack capable of killing her while paralyzed. She did regenerate her entire gastrointestinal system and segments of her spine and other vital organs in seconds. Overcoming that rate of healing will always be a problem for Hiruzrn. But that's not the primary problem because his jutsus don't have any speed feats we've no reason to assume they are faster than Madara's whose attack is used for the purpose of certainty. An attack that Tsunade could have avoided in its entirety despite being designed to wipe out a gokage generation. Here is where you argument really begins to fall apart.
Hiruzen's reaction feats were predominantly slow. The only notable feat he has is tagging two nerfed edo kages, who were fighting well below kage level.

3. Lmao I really hope you aren't saying that shuriken are tanked by Tsunade if she doesn't dodge them. She didn't tank 3 YM beads she only tanked one, and it was a small YM bead. A small YM bead is not going to penetrate deeper than giant Fuhma Shuriken, and if he streams Raiton onto them then there's absolutely no chance of her taking them with no damage.

I am saying it considering light-speed travel literally rips people apart. And she survived with minor injuries. Whereas I do believe a giant shuriken got stuck in Iruka and Naruto's back. Therefore not ripping them apart.

Also, I clearly see three beads

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And as Yasaka Magatama is Itachi, master of shuriken's, strongest long range jutsu I call BS on those shuriken doing anything useful. Just a waste of precious chakra.

Tsunade can only win if she makes it CQC, but Hiruzen's elements prevent that. Katon and Fuuton combined would do enough damage for him to land a finishing blow w/ Raiton Shuriken or Raiton if she ever gets hit. Tsunade loses regardless of his old age.

Food Cart Destroyer ftw. Doesn't have the reaction skills to avoid it, nor the durability to sustain it, and even if he did remote healing ends it anyway. She is the princess of slugs and elixirs. Furthermore, where Tsunade can tank almost all but one of his jutsus with little consequence how could he possibly focus on thousands of Katsuyu's at every angle and Tsunade. She clearly outclasses him. While he's busy trying to destroy Katsuyu on all fronts. She gets him with an attack from above.

And for some strange reason you seem to think that Tsunade having Byakugo means that she can power through heavy damage as if she didn't take the hit, which doesn't make sense as all Byakugo does is accelerate healing. Katon and Fuuton will deal heavy damage. Raiton will deal heavy damage. Katon alone will deal moderate damage. Anything else is something she can shrug off, but it will slow her down regardless.

No it's not Byakugou, it's what you don't understand. It's her will Powerade d her hereditary . It's why she was stabbed and slashed by the sword of kusunagi and continued to fight back. Orochimaru delivered what he considered a death blow. Furthermore, while she was actively impaled on 2 separate occasions she continued combat. She also clearly stated that she used Byakugou to catch Madara off guard suggesting she just played dead the first time. Furthermore, despite the immense heat of the katon that I pointed out above she continued her task of batting them away recoiling from pain after her objective was accomplished. When she was bisected, she was less concerned with reconnecting with herself than healing the other kages and used remote healing and a summoning jutsu. What are you talking about. Only thing that may slow her down is raiton and he's not hitting her with it.

The way I see it he only has enough chakra for 4 shadow clones and 5 large jutsus or 2 shadow clones, 3 small jutsus, summoning jutsu, and enough chakra to take Oro's arms. (Whereas Minato two seals to seal the entirety of the 9 tailed fox) Hiruzen is severely outclassed.

 

[TheEvilOne]

2. He doesn't need to spam anything to win here. This is like what people do when they argue against Itachi. They use stamina as a copout.

This is not how it works. Put Itachi against someone who is below his level ( Tsunade for example ) and the stamina is not an issue for him, because he can deal with her within seconds. However if you pair him with someone who is at/ or above his level, the stamina instantly becomes an important factor.


The same happens here. They are both at the same tier ( powerwise ) , however Tsunade is faster than Hiruzen with better CqC feats and with a stamina several times higher. Hiruzen simply lacks the means to put her down, and like I said before, he can't spam his attacks. He is exhausted after using 3 elemental attacks and 2 shadow clones.

So basically what you are saying is that Hiruzen is so much above Tsunade's level he doesn't have to worry about his stamina at all. We both know this is not true.
Tazz countered pretty much everything else.

 

[TheLostShinobi]

I thought it was that his chakra regenerated, not that he had unlimited chakra?

I thought all Edo Tensei had unlimited chakra. Who can bring the scans :dunno:?

 

[Icelerate]

This is not how it works. Put Itachi against someone who is below his level ( Tsunade for example ) and the stamina is not an issue for him, because he can deal with her within seconds. However if you pair him with someone who is at/ or above his level, the stamina instantly becomes an important factor.

Indeed, Itachi destroys Tsunade with ease.

 

[TheLostShinobi]

Indeed, Itachi destroys Tsunade with ease.

Nice bait

 

[Icelerate]

Nice bait

Isn't it the truth though?

 

[Tazzilla88]

Indeed, Itachi destroys Tsunade with ease.

Totsuka seals her.